Seriously, i think it has something to do when he was young and his bros were fucking girls in the hotel and he had to sleep there while they were fucking.

I heard him laugh on the documentary that started this whole controversy. When he was in the car and the guy jumped in front of the car dancing like him and was pulled back by the police.....Michael laughed and let out a loud scream that was more feminine than a bunch of drunk queens clowning around with each other.

vainandy said:

The MJ fans who get all pissed when others think he is gay strike me as homophobes, which may be a reason MJ hasn't been able to come out.

I feel Mike has always been gay. It's nothing to get all defensive about. The MJ fans who get all pissed when others think he is gay strike me as homophobes, which may be a reason MJ hasn't been able to come out.

Seriously, i think it has something to do when he was young and his bros were fucking girls in the hotel and he had to sleep there while they were fucking. He probably resented that and grew up to look at women in a different fashion that wasn't sexual.

Michael was part of a strict Jehova Witness family. He wouldn't dare come out of the closet, and I'm sure Joe would not be totally forgiving of that.
I know how it feels, as growing up as a Catholic, i couldn't come to terms with myself until i moved out and started living on my own without the sheild which blocked me from reality. Sure MJ lives on his own, but the Jacksons are a tightly knit family.

Look at how he dresses. The man loves make-up, clothing that is really flashy, and he makes himself up really feminine. He walks like a queen too.
With the glitter glove he wore and waved with, he looked like the queen of england. Im serious.

Liz Taylor and Liza Manelli are more than his friends.
They're his FAG HAGS. Every gay guy has them.
Liz and Liza are huge gay icons and Mike is best friends with them. Surely they know he is gay.

Janet is the sister that is protective of MJ. Gay guys that are fortunate to have sisters usually have their sister to protect them. She has always came to his rescue and been the wing that protected him. Any slam at Michael is a slam at her too.

Remember when Madonna tried to get close to Michael and he started to giggle like a little girl. It intrigued her, cause during the early 90s no one could pick out a gay like Madonna. And she LOVES gays, and worships their culture. She wanted MJ to come out of the closet by hanging out with Jose and Luis (her flamboyant gay dancers) and to dress as a woman in the "In the Closet" video. The project may have occured and Madonna may have succeeded if Janet didn't intervene at that moment. She told Michael to get rid of Madonna. So he did.

Part of me feels that Janet knew that Madonna knew (Janet already knew MJ was gay) and knew of Madonna's behavior to "out" gays. Madonna did it to her own brother, so what would stop her from outting MJ.

To this day only few have had it confirmed by MJ himself, like Janet Liz and Liza. Im sure they all know the truth but never peep a word
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On a personal level, Michael coming out would probably be the most freeing loving thing he could do for himself.

Just watching MJ and seeing him through that documentry made me feel for sure that he's gay.

Note to MJ fans: Being gay is not a bad thing. It is not an insult to MJ

Look at how he dresses. The man loves make-up, clothing that is really flashy, and he makes himself up really feminine. He walks like a queen too.

Dag, What's the closest you've ever been to mike?

well, I´ve been at the Killer Thriller party in London and stood very close to the stage, but his DAMN BODYGUARD was standing right between me and Mike so I couldn´t see him most of the time. I wanted to KILL HIM!!! And before MIke got onstage, guess where he was, in the balcony right above me, so I couldn´t see him AGAIN when everybody else could!!! I was like

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO, guys! PERIOD!!!!!

IF MJ´s gay, than I don´t know what Prince is.

No major Black musician has ever admitted to being gay (haddaway doesn't count ), I doubt mike will be the first.

I'm still waiting for Lil' Richard to come out... then Mike, Whitney, and a shit load of rappers.....

When I saw these girls I thought of You,

Wow, what would dag do if she were this close

Emphatic much?

Prince is a guy that's not afraid of his androgyny or sexuality.

jayaredee said:

I feel Mike has always been gay. It's nothing to get all defensive about. The MJ fans who get all pissed when others think he is gay strike me as homophobes, which may be a reason MJ hasn't been able to come out.

dag said:


Maybe, but I take MJ´s approach as a decent one. I like the fact that he never got trashy like that - showing off his sexuality, trying to get attention like other stars. But that´s just probably only me.

we all know that Prince likes women, but some ppl have hard times believing that

You just hit the nail right on the head. Society, in general, and it's hatred for homosexuality would be the biggest reason for Michael, or anyone else, to become so self-hating and messed up. If society didn't have that hatred, neither would Michael's mother, father, family, or himself either. Society is the biggest to blame.

It's extremely difficult for a gay person to come out to their family for fear of being shunned, disowned, and turned against. Imagine if you had millions of fans to worry about turning against you also.

Imagine if both Prince and Michael Jackson were gay. I'm not saying they are, I'm saying, just imagine they are.....

Prince is a very strong type that carries himself with an attitude like he would spit in someone's face and rub their face in the dirt if they messed with him. Michael is the weak little sissy type that would run and cry and that would make a homophobic person laugh at him even more. I'll take a strong person over a weak one any day because it is weak ones like Michael that keep homosexuals as second class citizens.

dag said:

that´s true, but Mike has to deal with much worse thing than ppl hating his for his "homosexuality" They hate him for being "pedophile".

And you´re right, I also admire ppl who aren´t afraid to show who they really are and admit that they are homosexual, but that doesn´t mean they have to be nasty. George Michael has come out and he still manages to keep some kind of decency. He never used sex as to shock or as publicity like Madonna, Prince and all the other recent "superstars" you see on MTV right now.

But he put himself in the position to be accused by hanging out with children in the first place. The first scandal ten years ago didn't open his eyes, he had to continue on hanging with them and go for a second one. If he's so crazy that he has to hang out with children to have fun, well he has his own children now and he can hang out with them. Before that he had neices and nephews to hang out with and he could still be crazy as a damn loon but not have outsiders trying to get his money.

Yes, but Prince was way before them. He was one of the first to be so nasty and shocking, Madonna and the others followed his lead. As far as homosexuals go, there's nothing wrong with flaunting it as long as it's done in a strong "fuck you" kind of way and not a weak one. Straight people flaunt their heterosexuality all the time. It's about time the world actually started living by that "everyone is created equal" phrase. I love shocking and nasty. The more shocking and nasty, the better. I love to see stuffy judgemental people get all uptight and get their feathers ruffled and the more they are offended, the more I like it.

NOT AGAIN!!!!! You know it´s interesting that you can get over being nasty and shocking in a sexual way, but you can´t get over a fact that someone can like hanging around kids in a NON SEXUAL way. I mean what´s wrong with that. You said it right, everyone was created to be equal, so why can´t MJ´s eccentricity, which is hanging around kids, can´t be accepted when apparently it´s not hurting anyone. (don´t get me wrong, I am not defending real pedophiles here, but what´s wrong being around kids?) I don´t have a problem with that.

dag said:

NOT AGAIN!!!!! You know it´s interesting that you can get over being nasty and shocking in a sexual way, but you can´t get over a fact that someone can like hanging around kids in a NON SEXUAL way.

And I´d like to clear one more thing. It´s not that I am one of those stuffy judgemental people, otherwise I would be a Prince fan, right?

I have nothing against it as long as its genuine, which is something I actually feel from Prince. His music is nasty, shocking at times, but so sensual and passionate that it cannot be fake. They only thing I don´t like is when ppl have NO talent and they try to substitute that with "shocking" way of behaviour to get publicity and become famous. That´s what I don´t like.

So I wouldn´t mind MJ getting nastier as long as I felt it was genuine, but I just admire the way he got on the top of the world without using any type of nastiness to get attention.

I love MJ´s purity and I love Prince´s nastiness, cause they both are genuine in their appoaches and the best at what they do in the whole world!!

Spending time with kids (and even sharing your bed with them) is not wrong in and of itself, it's the fact that most people WILL see something sinister about that kind of behaviour that's caused the problems. MJ's worked in the entertainment business long enough that he should know by now that how the public perceives a star can make or break them. Yes, there's (probably) nothing wrong with his behaviour, but he should have known to be more careful about it -especially after the first round of allegations. That should have been his wakeup call to either cool it with all the kids hanging around, or be more discreet about it.

I never said he was having sex with the kids. I simply said he put himself in a position of being accused by hanging out with kids in the first place. Also, hanging out with kids is the ultimate in having a "nerdy" and "weak" image, something I can't stand.

I know you aren't because your responses have not come across that way. I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to stuffy people in general.

He would look rediculous trying to be nasty because that's not who he is. It wouldn't come natural.