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PrintableDorothyParkerWasCool said: GrayKing said: you can appreciate what he did for funk while at the same time recognizing him as a cheeseball hack. Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. This thread is about the problems that existed between Graham and Sly long before Prince was even on the seen and people still have to push it in the Graham hating direction. Furthermore, some of the people on this site had never heard of Graham before his affiliation with Prince so they just see him as a some insignificant hanger on and cannot understand why Prince respects him so. A great deal of Prince's music would sound terribly different if Graham hadn't revolutionized bass playing in not only Funk but Rock music as well because as some of us fail to realize, Sly and the Family Stone was a Funk/Rock unit. Those of use that understand Graham's importance get tired of the same argument that is used ad nauseum whenever he is mentioned or someone talks about Prince post 1997/98. It gets old after a while. Besides, there are countless assholes and hacks in the music industry, but threads are started about them on a daily basis without people bitching about their perceived shortcomings. Graham deserves more respect than being labeled as the guy that "brainwashed" a grown ass man. That argument says more about the people on this site than it does about Graham or Prince. [Edited 5/24/05 15:51pm]  | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. This thread is about the problems that existed between Graham and Sly long before Prince was even on the seen and people still have to push it in the Graham hating direction. Furthermore, some of the people on this site had never heard of Graham before his affiliation with Prince so they just see him as a some insignificant hanger on and cannot understand why Prince respects him so. A great deal of Prince's music would sound terribly different if Graham hadn't revolutionized bass playing in not only Funk but Rock music as well because as some of us fail to realize, Sly and the Family Stone was a Funk/Rock unit. Those of use that understand Graham's importance get tired of the same argument that is used ad nauseum whenever he is mentioned or someone talks about Prince post 1997/98. It gets old after a while. Besides, there are countless assholes and hacks in the music industry, but threads are started about them on a daily basis without people bitching about their perceived shortcomings. Graham deserves more respect than being labeled as the guy that "brainwashed" a grown ass man. That argument says more about the people on this site than it does about Graham or Prince. [Edited 5/24/05 15:51pm] and there it is  | |
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TheRealFiness said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Dorothy Parker is Cool.
and there it is Thanx....I'm sure I'm "preaching to the choir" though. | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: TheRealFiness said: and there it is Thanx....I'm sure I'm "preaching to the choir" though. well this is why we are here to school these cats who dont know. read my sig | |
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TheRealFiness said: well this is why we are here to school these cats who dont know. read my sig
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TheRealFiness said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Thanx....I'm sure I'm "preaching to the choir" though. well this is why we are here to school these cats who dont know. read my sig  Preach On! | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: GrayKing said: you can appreciate what he did for funk while at the same time recognizing him as a cheeseball hack. Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. not quite. while I'm no fan of his personal influence on Prince, I've grown to loathe him as a performer in his own right, having been exposed to him via Prince concerts. he's obnoxious, cheesy, corny, one-note hack, with a really really cloying stage act. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: I agree. And most of the haters never grew up listening to "My Radio Sure Sounds Good To Me", "Release Yourself" or "Graham Central Station" back in the day. Call me old, but good music is good music. You don't have to grow up with it to get it/appreciate it. Ignorance is ignorance and those that don't look beyond their span remain in it. Usually they chose to. It's easier to criticize than to try to understand.
Some of you may have grown up listening to these songs but you probably didn't grow up listening to Armstrong (Not on the radio anyway) but you don't knock him (for the sake of knocking him). It all goes back to ignorance. The root of "hater" is ignorance. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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anon said: SPYZFAN1 said: I agree. And most of the haters never grew up listening to "My Radio Sure Sounds Good To Me", "Release Yourself" or "Graham Central Station" back in the day. Call me old, but good music is good music. You don't have to grow up with it to get it/appreciate it. Ignorance is ignorance and those that don't look beyond their span remain in it. Usually they chose to. It's easier to criticize than to try to understand.
Some of you may have grown up listening to these songs but you probably didn't grow up listening to Armstrong (Not on the radio anyway) but you don't knock him (for the sake of knocking him). It all goes back to ignorance. The root of "hater" is ignorance. Anon you've definitely made some valid points. Moreless how people view music and artist has alot to do with their upbringing. While growing up, I exposed to kinds of musics because both of parents were involved with music at one time. My parents not only played Armstong and Miles in the household. But, my parents were the first ones to hip me to Sly & The Family Stone, Bill Withers, George Benson, Hendrix, Prince, and Rick James. Unfortuately, everybody can't be that lucky. Not everybody's parents are that progressive.[Edited 5/24/05 23:22pm] | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: MrSoulpower said: Prince's record sales were at an all-time low even before he met Larry. Working with Larry has neither decreased nor increased his record sales, so I don't know what your point is. Me and a lot of other dedicated Prince fans stopped buying his shit around the time that he hooked up with Larry. That's your personal choice. And I agree, his music lacked creativity at that time. But he had already taken this musical direction way before he hooked up with Larry. Prince's way down began with Graffiti Bridge. Are you gonna blame Larry for that too? Again, there is no evidence that Larry had anything to do with Prince's lack of creativity in the mid-90s. It's simply not there, bro. I have a feeling that you are looking for a scapegoat here, but in all seriousness, nobody else is responsible for Prince's music but Prince himself. Face reality and move on. | |
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Raine said: he didnt used to preach so aggressively though if i had known what the rainbow children was like i wouldnt have bought it I have seen the Lovesexy tour and I thought I was in church. Talking about aggressive preaching. And there you go, he didn't force you to buy the Rainbow Children album. It was your personal choice. yeah i thought musicolgy was taking a step back creatively too i know the people he is working with at the moment are his musical idols but they are from a certain era and while he works with them he seems to be in that era along with them, rather than taking that style of music further and experimenting with it .if he likes making that type of music fine but he could do so much more with it than he is at the moment I agree with a lot you say here. I don't think that Musicology is his most creative album either. But it wasn't inspired by his religious belief or Larry Graham, but by his determination to go for a hit album one more time. Besides, some of the songs on Musicology are recycled, they have been recorded in the Emancipation era. And that was before he hooked up with Larry. Then again, I feel that TRC is his most creative album since Sign O the Times. Many Prince fans don't feel this way, but many others do. It's certainly an album that divides his fans. But you can't deny the fact that it is incredibly funky. Regarding the work with his idols: If you believe that there is such as music that can be categorized by "era", then you are not looking at it from the musician's perspective. The 60s and 70s is the era Prince grew up in, and its music has influenced him the most. TRC is the perfect symbiosis of that sound, Prince's sound, and the sound of the future. After years of experimenting, Prince has found his musical preference - which is, funk, soul and Jazz, mixed with a little pop. You can't be searching forever. Even John Coltrane, who has been looking for new sounds with a type of energy that nobody had before or after him, went back to the sound he loved the most right before he died. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. Is popularity what makes a good and influential artist? Conduct a poll and ask people who Miles Davis is. I guarantee you that Britney Spears is more popular. | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: GrayKing said: you can appreciate what he did for funk while at the same time recognizing him as a cheeseball hack. Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. This thread is about the problems that existed between Graham and Sly long before Prince was even on the seen and people still have to push it in the Graham hating direction. Furthermore, some of the people on this site had never heard of Graham before his affiliation with Prince so they just see him as a some insignificant hanger on and cannot understand why Prince respects him so. A great deal of Prince's music would sound terribly different if Graham hadn't revolutionized bass playing in not only Funk but Rock music as well because as some of us fail to realize, Sly and the Family Stone was a Funk/Rock unit. Those of use that understand Graham's importance get tired of the same argument that is used ad nauseum whenever he is mentioned or someone talks about Prince post 1997/98. It gets old after a while. Besides, there are countless assholes and hacks in the music industry, but threads are started about them on a daily basis without people bitching about their perceived shortcomings. Graham deserves more respect than being labeled as the guy that "brainwashed" a grown ass man. That argument says more about the people on this site than it does about Graham or Prince. [Edited 5/24/05 15:51pm] Damn, somebody just got down, right there. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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MrSoulpower said: EvilWhiteMale said: Me and a lot of other dedicated Prince fans stopped buying his shit around the time that he hooked up with Larry. That's your personal choice. And I agree, his music lacked creativity at that time. But he had already taken this musical direction way before he hooked up with Larry. Prince's way down began with Graffiti Bridge. Are you gonna blame Larry for that too? Again, there is no evidence that Larry had anything to do with Prince's lack of creativity in the mid-90s. It's simply not there, bro. I have a feeling that you are looking for a scapegoat here, but in all seriousness, nobody else is responsible for Prince's music but Prince himself. Face reality and move on. I totally blame Prince for his weak-mindedness, and his downfall did begin with Grafitti Bridge. But had Larry not been around, Prince would at least be a little more exciting and not afraid to say naughty words. Larry's a hustler and he knew how to push the right buttons. So for that, I hate the prick. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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MrSoulpower said: EvilWhiteMale said: Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. Is popularity what makes a good and influential artist? Conduct a poll and ask people who Miles Davis is. I guarantee you that Britney Spears is more popular. At least everyone knows who Miles Davis is. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: But had Larry not been around, Prince would at least be a little more exciting and not afraid to say naughty words. Larry's a hustler and he knew how to push the right buttons. So for that, I hate the prick. Damn bro, you actually hate somebody because in your eyes he stopped a pop star you like from cussing? And I thought you had better things to do ... But seriously bro, Prince was simply ready to be a JW. I'm not diggin' these guys either, but Prince seems to have found his happiness. What's more important to you, his happiness or his cussin'? And the real question is: Do happy people need to cuss? [Edited 5/26/05 1:14am] | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: MrSoulpower said: Is popularity what makes a good and influential artist? Conduct a poll and ask people who Miles Davis is. I guarantee you that Britney Spears is more popular. At least everyone knows who Miles Davis is. Not really. Ask a 15 years old high school kid who Miles is. I think the misconception you have to deal with is that you seem to believe that if you know somebody, everybody knows that somebody, and if you have never heard of somebody then he/she doesn't play any significant role. There is a whole world of music out there you obviously know little or nothing about .. and that's cool, cuz you dig another type of music. But you have to face reality bro: Prince is black. And Prince has been mainly influenced by Funk, Soul and Jazz when he was young. Yes, he has been experimenting with all styles of music, but when a man matures, he goes back to his roots. Didn't you post a thread about Billy Idol the other day on which you praised the man's faithfulness to the sound which he was coming from? Well, that's what Prince is doing. After many years of experimenting, he sticks with the funk. His father was a jazz musician. What do you expect? That he turns into a punk? [Edited 5/26/05 1:16am] | |
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