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PrintableEvilWhiteMale said: laurarichardson said: ----- No you just don't know how ignorant you are !!! Look, if you want a date, just say so. Quit beating around the bush.  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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GrayKing said:[quote] laurarichardson said: theAudience said: I've never been to one that he was involved in. What type of shenanigans are you referring to? The shenanigans in Gary King's imagination (LOL) all that bullshit with Tina and the towel. "touch the bass." all that "baby brother" crap. and taking his shoes off to present to the crowd. Someone please tell me about Tina and the towel. I also heard something about big shoes... where these Tina's shoes? She seemed matronly looking on a video of Sinbad's talk show. I can't imagine the church lady with her wig and pocket book in a concert. Would love to hear from someone who saw some of these shows.. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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MrSoulpower said: Raine said: nothing as long as he doesent try to force his beliefs on to others 
How does Prince force his belief on others? Yes, he sings about what he believes in. But he has always done that. But he doesn't force you to buy his records, he doesn't force you to see his shows and he doesn't force you to be a fan.  he didnt used to preach so aggressively though if i had known what the rainbow children was like i wouldnt have bought it
nothing if he doesent allow it to restrict his creativity
I don't see his creativity restricted. If you think so, then it's a very subjective observation. Apart from much on his last record, I believe that Prince has never been in a better artistic shape then today. After many years of soul searching, he has finally found his true self and the music he wants to play. I found the music he has created on the way to be interesting and inspiring, but not as mature and defined as today. But then again, this is only my personal opinion. yeah i thought musicolgy was taking a step back creatively too  i know the people he is working with at the moment are his musical idols but they are from a certain era and while he works with them he seems to be in that era along with them, rather than taking that style of music further and experimenting with it .if he likes making that type of music fine but he could do so much more with it than he is at the moment
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prodigalfan said: GrayKing said: all that bullshit with Tina and the towel. "touch the bass." all that "baby brother" crap. and taking his shoes off to present to the crowd. Someone please tell me about Tina and the towel. I also heard something about big shoes... where these Tina's shoes? She seemed matronly looking on a video of Sinbad's talk show. I can't imagine the church lady with her wig and pocket book in a concert. Would love to hear from someone who saw some of these shows.. | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: EvilWhiteMale said: I've known about the band for years, just not the names of all the members. It's not my kind of music, so I never cared enough to investigate. Besides, it's not like the general public knows who Larry is. He's no Bootsy Collins. See, with statements like this I cannot understand why people on this board(myself included) let EWM's comments get under our skin. Larry Graham is no Bootsy Collins? I hope you are not serious...they are like 1 and 1A.
It's a matter of familiarity. Go on the street and ask how many people have heard of Larry and how many have heard of Bootsy. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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psykosoul said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: See, with statements like this I cannot understand why people on this board(myself included) let EWM's comments get under our skin. Larry Graham is no Bootsy Collins? I hope you are not serious...they are like 1 and 1A.
I'm sayin... 
That statement alone about Bootsy let's you know EWM is just talking out of his ass about some something he really knows nothing about. Besides, Bootsy being in a few basketball sneaker commercials didn't make him a household name with the general public. Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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MrSoulpower said: EvilWhiteMale said: I've known about the band for years, just not the names of all the members. It's not my kind of music, so I never cared enough to investigate. Besides, it's not like the general public knows who Larry is. He's no Bootsy Collins. Your keyphrase is "not your kind of music". That is totally acceptable. But just because it's not your kind of music, please don't put down Larry's impact on music in general. He may be no Bootsy by fame, but he has accomplished far more in style and influence than Bootsy. Even Bootsy got his playing style from Larry Graham (and Sweet Charles Sherrell). You may not like Larry, because he hangs with Prince. That's cool. But it's undeniable that Larry at a huge impact on popular music culture .. and especially on Prince, when he was little. Now that he is a grown man and finally a matured musician, it's only logical that he likes to hang out and play with the idols of his youth - Larry and Maceo. I can assure you that it wasn't Larry who "brainwashed" Prince. Larry simply helped Prince to find the path he was looking for. But Prince had to walk that path by himself. He is a grown man who makes his own decisions, whether you like them or not. And if his choice of religion helps the man to find peace and security, what's wrong with it? He's free to do what he wants. He's even free to sell less records. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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laurarichardson said: Co-Sign. I can't understand why other people are upset at the path that P has taken . It is his life and if makes him happy why would that concern his fans. I can't understand why people are upset when others express they're opinions around here. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Raine said: MrSoulpower said: Your keyphrase is "not your kind of music". That is totally acceptable. But just because it's not your kind of music, please don't put down Larry's impact on music in general. He may be no Bootsy by fame, but he has accomplished far more in style and influence than Bootsy. Even Bootsy got his playing style from Larry Graham (and Sweet Charles Sherrell). You may not like Larry, because he hangs with Prince. That's cool. But it's undeniable that Larry at a huge impact on popular music culture .. and especially on Prince, when he was little. Now that he is a grown man and finally a matured musician, it's only logical that he likes to hang out and play with the idols of his youth - Larry and Maceo. I can assure you that it wasn't Larry who "brainwashed" Prince. Larry simply helped Prince to find the path he was looking for. But Prince had to walk that path by himself. He is a grown man who makes his own decisions, whether you like them or not. And if his choice of religion helps the man to find peace and security, what's wrong with it?
nothing if he respects people who choose a different path
nothing if he doesent allow it to restrict his creativity  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: psykosoul said: I'm sayin...
That statement alone about Bootsy let's you know EWM is just talking out of his ass about some something he really knows nothing about. Besides, Bootsy being in a few basketball sneaker commercials didn't make him a household name with the general public. Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. | |
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psykosoul said: EvilWhiteMale said: Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. [Edited 5/23/05 10:54am] | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: He's free to do what he wants.
He's even free to sell less records. Prince's record sales were at an all-time low even before he met Larry. Working with Larry has neither decreased nor increased his record sales, so I don't know what your point is. | |
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psykosoul said: EvilWhiteMale said: Conduct a fuckin pole and you'll see most people have absolutely no idea who Larry is. That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. I've spoken to many people about Larry Graham in the past, and none of them knew who he was. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: psykosoul said: That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. Obviously it's worth yours.  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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MrSoulpower said: EvilWhiteMale said: He's free to do what he wants.
He's even free to sell less records. Prince's record sales were at an all-time low even before he met Larry. Working with Larry has neither decreased nor increased his record sales, so I don't know what your point is. Me and a lot of other dedicated Prince fans stopped buying his shit around the time that he hooked up with Larry. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: laurarichardson said: I think we all know the answer to that last question. A lot of funk haters or no nothings when it comes to funk on this board.
Oh honey, you need to get laid quick. ----- I got some for that job. You need to get off this topic. You made a total fool of yourself going on about Larry when you don't jack shit about him. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: psykosoul said: That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. I've spoken to many people about Larry Graham in the past, and none of them knew who he was. ----- That is because they are your friends. (LOL) | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: psykosoul said: That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. [Edited 5/23/05 10:54am] ----- Co-Sign he is clueless. | |
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laurarichardson said: EvilWhiteMale said:
Oh honey, you need to get laid quick. ----- I got some for that job. You need to get off this topic. You made a total fool of yourself going on about Larry when you don't jack shit about him. You make a fool of yourself everytime you sweat me. So how does that feel? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: psykosoul said: That sounds like something you shoulda done before you made that statement. psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. [Edited 5/23/05 10:54am] For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my  . | |
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I agree. And most of the haters never grew up listening to "My Radio Sure Sounds Good To Me", "Release Yourself" or "Graham Central Station" back in the day. Call me old, but good music is good music. | |
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MsLegs said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. [Edited 5/23/05 10:54am] For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my .Ms Legs your is always welcomed. [Edited 5/24/05 15:25pm] | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: I agree. And most of the haters never grew up listening to "My Radio Sure Sounds Good To Me", "Release Yourself" or "Graham Central Station" back in the day. Call me old, but good music is good music.
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MsLegs said: For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my .
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SPYZFAN1 said: Call me old, but good music is good music.
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MsLegs said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: psykosoul, don't even waste your time responding to EWM's comments. Like most people on this site he tends to speak on things he knows NOTHING about and will hold steadfast when his inaccurate position is challenged and or corrected by a more knowledgeable person. It's not even worth your time or energy. [Edited 5/23/05 10:54am] For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my .you can appreciate what he did for funk while at the same time recognizing him as a cheeseball hack. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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theAudience said: MsLegs said: For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my .
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: For one thing, a lot of the younger fans who haven't been groomed on the Funk wouldn't understand the signifigance of Larry Graham to Funk Music so there is really no sense in trying to drag a dead issue b/c their mind is already set. Also, a lot fans who take issue with Prince's spiritual englightment when they fell to realize that he is a grown ass man and he make he own damn decisions. Normally, I try to stay out these discussion but, I saw that its getting rediculous so I had to add my .you can appreciate what he did for funk while at the same time recognizing him as a cheeseball hack. Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. This thread is about the problems that existed between Graham and Sly long before Prince was even on the seen and people still have to push it in the Graham hating direction. Furthermore, some of the people on this site had never heard of Graham before his affiliation with Prince so they just see him as a some insignificant hanger on and cannot understand why Prince respects him so. A great deal of Prince's music would sound terribly different if Graham hadn't revolutionized bass playing in not only Funk but Rock music as well because as some of us fail to realize, Sly and the Family Stone was a Funk/Rock unit. Those of use that understand Graham's importance get tired of the same argument that is used ad nauseum whenever he is mentioned or someone talks about Prince post 1997/98. It gets old after a while. Besides, there are countless assholes and hacks in the music industry, but threads are started about them on a daily basis without people bitching about their perceived shortcomings. Graham deserves more respect than being labeled as the guy that "brainwashed" a grown ass man. That argument says more about the people on this site than it does about Graham or Prince. [Edited 5/24/05 15:51pm] | |
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That was great Dorothy Parker. Very well put! | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Well everyone has the right to their opinion of Graham...the problem is that every discussion about him revolves around the bitching about his perceived affect on Prince. This thread is about the problems that existed between Graham and Sly long before Prince was even on the seen and people still have to push it in the Graham hating direction. Furthermore, some of the people on this site had never heard of Graham before his affiliation with Prince so they just see him as a some insignificant hanger on and cannot understand why Prince respects him so. A great deal of Prince's music would sound terribly different if Graham hadn't revolutionized bass playing in not only Funk but Rock music as well because as some of us fail to realize, Sly and the Family Stone was a Funk/Rock unit. Those of use that understand Graham's importance get tired of the same argument that is used ad nauseum whenever he is mentioned or someone talks about Prince post 1997/98. It gets old after a while. Besides, there are countless assholes and hacks in the music industry, but threads are started about them on a daily basis without people bitching about their perceived shortcomings.
Graham deserves more respect than being labeled as the guy that "brainwashed" a grown ass man. That argument says more about the people on this site than it does about Graham or Prince.
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