lilgish said:

? I only got a couple now. "pray" at some awards show was cool. He went out right into the audience (as did his dancers). "u cant touch this" on the grammies was cool. People think hammer is all short quick cuts of moves. But some know he did a great stage show. I was only 6 when I saw his tour (I swear boyz to men were the opener). Incredible show, though i remember very little.

Hammer is shi* there is no wayyyyy that he could beat Mike in a dance off back then or now even.

On VH1 once i watched a documentary, (cant remember what about specifically) but they showed Mike in 75-76 performing Dancing Machine and I tell u this,It was EXCEPTIONAL The robot and the slide he did during that perfomance ALONE would wipe Hammers ASS!

If y'all really wanna see Mike at the peak of his powers then check out the entire Bad era that is his greatest era performance wise ever.Hammer couldnt even breathe the same air as him during that time or even in 1991. Thats why Mike at the end of Black or White is dancing in the street tapping and spinning that was a direct slap in the face 2 Hammer following the disrespect he garnered in that flaccid Too Legit vid.

The Too legit video came out, Hammer tried 2 make it epic and like a mini movie like Michael had pioneered but failed. It featured bit part players in entertainment like Ralph Tresvant,Jim Belushi etc even in that he was copying Mike but Mike could call up A-Listers like Spielberg,Aykroyd, Danny Glover, Travolta, and any one who was anyone in 1989 when he made the Liberian girl video
and they jumped at the chance... he could get Scorsese 2 direct a MUSIC VIDEO 4 goodness sakes!!!!!.

Work with George Lucas and Coppola 4 Captain EO, Hammer made the Please Hammer Dont Hurt Em movie lol.that went straight 2 video lol.

YodaHendrix

YODAHENDRIX said:

Agreed. MJ wins this one Hammer loses. End of story. MJ is a legend. Hammer is the epitome of whack.

thesexofit said:

MAN, SHUT YO ASS UP!!!!!

skywalker said:

Agreed Young Skywalker u have done well.

Yoda

sinisterpentatonic said:

LoL hilarious

thesexofit said:

On Mike you have serious good points...

Hell yeah, Mike loves repeating himself (not only on his performances but even in his concerts)... And I hate that...

BUT NO WAY HAmmer is close to MJ, NO WAY... He has No creativity and starting to suck after his second album... Hammer was just an impersonator of James Brown nothing more, same moves, and same gimmicks...

MJ instead dominates the game during 15 years (from Thriller to Dangerous) After Dangerous he started to suck... You can see all the videos during the History era, they all suck...
This is why History doens't sell that much....

krayzie said:

Nah, man.

Scream
Earth Song
They Don't Care About Us (prison version)
Stranger In Moscow.

All good videos.

Cloudbuster said:

Musically, I like the song a lot but its subject matter is absolutely pathetic (an Afro-American who doesn't even resemble his heritage anymore for whatever reason fatuously blaming his plights on racism, something he continues to do to this day) and both versions of the video just add insult to idiocy, especially the prison version.

Repeatedly shoving footage of the maltreatment of blacks and Jews in the viewers' faces while showing off his bravado using his chicken-hawk chest and dance moves and shouting "HOOOO!!!" multiple times... not my idea of a true visual accomplishment.

I WILL agree, however, that "Scream", "Earth Song", and "SIM" are all excellent videos (despite the former two being overblown as hell).

krayzie said:

Hammer did dance like JB. But I never saw JB do the running man though or the typewriter (which is very JB). I just love his energy and moves in general. They are quite ridiculous at times which is something that dance videos lack in general. That is funny moves and orginal ideas. I think hammer had them

thesexofit said:

Are YOu on Crack? If anybody is the James Brown of rap Its Rakim and farther bcak than that Busy Bee.

Soulchild82 said:

Well james b liked him In terms of dancing and having fun, yeah I c it. James Brown may of been deep, but he is famously known for hot dance tracks, and hammer modelled himself after that. Just great dance ur ass off tracks.

thesexofit said:

U gotta admit after the Lets Get it Started Lp he was pure sugary pop!!

Soulchild82 said:

I really dont like much of "please hammer dont hurt them". Too many tracks are sampled. He even remade "dancing machine". But "too legit too quit" album uses real horns whoch puts it head and shoulders over "please hammer dont hurt 'em". Plus no samples.

Thing is, alot of hammers famous stuff uses synths and drums which are now considered dreadfully dated and cheesy. It was just the producton at the time. Shit like "count it off" and "this is the way we roll" is very JB in feel.

YODAHENDRIX said:

That is very unfiar. Who can compete with Mike sales wise or whatever. What has that gotta do with dancing? Hammer at least dared to do a "thriller" with "to legit too quit". That video was one of the most expensive ever made and still is. He got James Brown. No easy feat.

WHEN IT COMES TO DANCING, HAMMER COULD, CAN, AND WILL OUT DANCE MIKE AND THAT'S ON THE REAL. OF COURSE MIKE CARREER IS MORE SUCCESSFUL, BUT HAMMER IS A STREET DANCER. MICHEAL PAID LOCAL STREET DANCER IN L.A. TO TEACH HIM HOW TO MOONWALK(READ IT IN RIGHT ON MAG), AND HE WAS NOT THE FIRST TO DO THE MOONWALK ON T.V.. JEFFREY DANIELS FROM SHALAMER DID IT ON SOUL TRAIN A FEW YEAR PRIOR TO MIKE. MJ IS MY MAN, BUT AS STATED BEFORE HE'S BEEN DOING THE SAME MOVES FOR DECADES. HAMMER KNOWS ALL THE LATEST DANCES, MIKE STILL DOING THOSE TIRED ASS SPINS. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'LL CUT A BITCH OVER MIKE AND PRINCE BUT HAMMER IS THE BEST DANCER. NOW WHEN IT COMES TO RAPPING

I've been saying this for years! They Don't Care About Us is one of the most patronizing songs/videos of Jacko's career (and there have been quite a few). Both versions of the video are insulting in different ways; Michael is a victim and in jail, or Michael is this pale white savior in the streets of Brazil. Please!

squiddyren said:

thesexofit said:

These days James Brown would turn up 2 a roadside tarmac-ing so that doesn'tc exactly wash.

Also everyone is his NEW Godson everyone that kisses his feet Hammer, Usher bloody hell it gets tired.

U say Hammer DARED 2 do a Thriller thats just right...dared one of his baggy pant wearing posse dared him 2 challenge Mike during a drunken binge and Hammer actually didnt 4get about it in the morning when his hangover subsided.

That was sum half assed shit, it was window dressing. Mike destroyed Hammer and all that came his way with ONE exception only ONE man surpassed him at his best:

AND WE ARE ALL ONLINE AT HIS VERY OWN ORG COMMUNITY.

need i say more....NO!

YODAHENDRIX said:

U could say more. U just bad mouth hammer because of his rapping it seems. Which at least others on here have not.

If ur talking about Prince as a dancer? Please. Prince is barely average. he is as good as will smith, who can dance some but not much.

squiddyren said:

I always considered the song to be more about injustices in general. Not so much about Michael ("I'm a victim, too!") Jackson only. I think that was the point of the video.

Well everything was all good between JB & MJ at the BET Awards - a very great moment in history.

thesexofit said:

Can u read? Im not just talkin bout Hammer's (C)rapping, im talkin about his CRAP stage show his CRAP songs (with the exception of Pumps n a Bump, Dont Stop..in fact the singles off the Funky Headhunter record,)His CRAP sense of style, his Crap glasses, His CRAP hairstyle, His CRAP cartoon and lest I 4get his CRAPPY DANCING.


And that waste u were talking bout Prince being an average dancer at best go watch the Sign O The Times movie, cuz with all this talk of CRAP, U seem 2 talk alot of it.

Yoda

YODAHENDRIX said:[quote]

thesexofit said:

The "Funky Headhunter" album is what really made Hammer look like a joke. He switched his style and tried to act all gangsta - around that time he was rolling with DeathRow. Anyway it was quality record, but it should be dismissed as crap as well cause Hammer was frontin' hard.

With Albums like this coming out in 1994 why even mention Funky headhunter:

YODAHENDRIX said:

Omk fair enough. But Prince as a dancer He tries bles him, and that does add alot to the shows themselves (when he use to dance).....one of my all time fav choreography wise music videos is "cream". He dances well in "batdance" too. His best dancing tour wise was "diamonds and pearls" tour. Man that show was awesome.

OnionJuice said:[quote]

YODAHENDRIX said:

yeah hammer was a sellout. But hammer is more genuine then say ice cube or ja rule. Hammer grew up working class too. He just chose to take it positive and do his own "mr entertainer" thing. I thought the album "finky headhunter" would be sweaty parachute pants, but it's a great lil' album. I can dance to "dont stop" all day. Roger did a good remix of that cut.

thesexofit said:

I mean, I like Hammer and I have the utmost respect for him and I always have, but he was str8 up frontin during the "Funky Headhunter" era. He was sellout, not cause he was doing too much (cartoons, commericals, etc.) but because of he switched to fit with the mainstream hard image. It just wasnt him.
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OnionJuice said:

LOL Hammer couldn't win. People called him a sellout after the sucsess of "please hammer dont hurt 'em" as hammer went pop and mechandised everything. Rappers were in a daze. Since hammer, I have not seen a rapper figurine etc.....except the white clone vanilla ice, who I think is crap.....

.....Ice proberly let hammer down. As when u think of ice, u think of hammer and vice versa and how they both sucked. But ice was alot weaker in every department to hammer. And hammer was weak in some areas anyway (his flow )

hammer had a bainwave of seeling hiphop to the widest audience possible. Yeah sure kid and play and fresh prince were kid friendly, but they still had the street image. Hammer, on his second album, musta just thought "fuck them all, Iam doing this my way". Good for him, even if "please hammer don't hurt 'em" is his weakest album.

But after that album, he tried to be serious and say he was still "legit". He really couldn't win. He shortened his name to get cred (why?).....nothing worked, so by "funky headhunter", he just went with the latest trend. Which is what virtually everyone else does anyway.

Hammer also got hate for opening the door to ice etc.....u could lebel them the "we dont care we dony have street cred" rapper tha was arounf in 1990.

They included hammer, vanilla ice (no one beleived he was street surely), marky mark, gerardo. ll were sucessful for a while. All tried to be legit, but everyone could see through that. Ha, marky mark. Theres an album that hasn't dated as badly as u think. Think public enemy hank shocklee ripoffs and ur there.