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Reply #120 posted 05/13/05 12:09pm

Universaluv

krayzie said:

Universaluv said:




Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now? confused


OK, you wantcompare...

Tell me who's the Biggest rock band of Today ???
Tell me who's the biggest solo artist of today ???

How many CLASSIC albums were released since 2000, that truly shocked the world ????

Artists who dominate the music industry today SUCK compare to the greatest artists of yesterday...
The 60's and 70's were the best decades in Music, since then, Music slowly started to suck, more and more....

This is a FACT... Everybody know that....


Oh, sounds alot like your opinion, but ok I guess it's a fact. shrug
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Reply #121 posted 05/13/05 12:14pm

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Universaluv said:

krayzie said:



OK, you wantcompare...

Tell me who's the Biggest rock band of Today ???
Tell me who's the biggest solo artist of today ???

How many CLASSIC albums were released since 2000, that truly shocked the world ????

Artists who dominate the music industry today SUCK compare to the greatest artists of yesterday...
The 60's and 70's were the best decades in Music, since then, Music slowly started to suck, more and more....

This is a FACT... Everybody know that....


Oh, sounds alot like your opinion, but ok I guess it's a fact. shrug


Mmmmmkay, so answer his question wink
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Reply #122 posted 05/13/05 12:17pm

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shrug Well, you know what, I think that if we actually bothered to expose kids today to music from the 60's and 70's, I think you'd be seeing a lot more people like me. None of my friends in high school even knew who Stevie or Marvin was. None of them had ever listened to a Beatles record. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. If you don't know the past, you can't be expected to judge the present.

Yes, there is a tendency for older people to use the cliché simply because they like what they grew up with. But I also know there are a LOT of orgers here who actually listen to more contemporary music than I do, and who are way beyond me in knowledge and experience. So not everyone who uses the cliché is the cliché wink

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Reply #123 posted 05/13/05 12:33pm

Universaluv

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Universaluv said:



Oh, sounds alot like your opinion, but ok I guess it's a fact. shrug


Mmmmmkay, so answer his question wink


Well I don't think it matters, but I guess U2 or Coldplay could claim the title to "biggest rock band" (kinda the same band anyway)

Solo artist I'm not sure anyone has that at the moment. Might be 50 Cent right now. neutral

"shocked the world" not sure All That You Can't Leave Behind, maybe voodoo, maybe come away with me, maybe A Rush of Blood to the Head, maybe The Marshall Mathers LP. That's such a subjective historical question I can't really answer it now. It's too soon.

Which is really my point. It's hard to evaluate the historical impact of any particular era when you are currently experiencing it. SOTT came out to mixed reviews at the time ya know? Give me ten years and I'll let you know fa show. smile

I'm not saying that you're not entitled to an opinion that music today sucks. Nothing I can say can prove anyone's opinion to be wrong or right. I'm just not ready to flush it all down the toilet just yet. But that's just my opnion.


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Reply #124 posted 05/13/05 12:36pm

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Universaluv said:

VoicesCarry said:



Mmmmmkay, so answer his question wink


Well I don't think it matters, but I guess U2 or Coldplay could claim the title to "biggest rock band" (kinda the same band anyway)

Solo artist I'm not sure anyone has that at the moment. Might be 50 Cent right now. neutral

"shocked the world" not sure All That You Can't Leave Behind, maybe voodoo, maybe comae away with me, maybe A Rush of Blood to the Head, maybe The Marshall Mathers LP. That's such a subjective historical question I can't really answer it now. It's too soon.

Which is really my point. It's hard to evaluate the historical impact of any particular era when you are currently expereincing it. SOTT came out to mixed reviews at the time ya know? Give me ten years and I'll let you know fa show. smile

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All That You Can't Leave Behind shocked a lot of U2 fans, I think, because it was such a bland record. Come Away With Me has already been forgotten - Norah Jones is a snoozefest, there's no spark in her music. Coldplay is a poor man's U2. Eminem? We'll see.

My choice would be Lauryn Hill's debut (ok, so it's from 1998, so sue me).
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Reply #125 posted 05/13/05 12:39pm

Universaluv

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All That You Can't Leave Behind shocked a lot of U2 fans, I think, because it was such a bland record. Come Away With Me has already been forgotten - Norah Jones is a snoozefest, there's no spark in her music. Coldplay is a poor man's U2. Eminem? We'll see.

My choice would be Lauryn Hill's debut (ok, so it's from 1998, so sue me).
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yeah Lauryn Hill crossed my mind also. You left off Voodoo?


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Reply #126 posted 05/13/05 1:30pm

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Universaluv said:

VoicesCarry said:



Mmmmmkay, so answer his question wink


Well I don't think it matters, but I guess U2 or Coldplay could claim the title to "biggest rock band" (kinda the same band anyway)

Solo artist I'm not sure anyone has that at the moment. Might be 50 Cent right now. neutral

"shocked the world" not sure All That You Can't Leave Behind, maybe voodoo, maybe come away with me, maybe A Rush of Blood to the Head, maybe The Marshall Mathers LP. That's such a subjective historical question I can't really answer it now. It's too soon.

Which is really my point. It's hard to evaluate the historical impact of any particular era when you are currently experiencing it. SOTT came out to mixed reviews at the time ya know? Give me ten years and I'll let you know fa show. smile

I'm not saying that you're not entitled to an opinion that music today sucks. Nothing I can say can prove anyone's opinion to be wrong or right. I'm just not ready to flush it all down the toilet just yet. But that's just my opnion.


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According to you the best solo artist today is 50 cent ??? eek
Voodoo received great reviews but this album doesn't SHOCK the world like Purple rain did, or like The Wall did, or Innerversions did...

Lauryn Hill ?? It spends 7 YEARS since her first solo album was released (in 1998)....

There aren't new great talented artist anymore... Alicia Keys seemed to be the great new artist, but her second album proved that she's not THAT great...

Most of them today don't have charisma, talent, star attitude, and creativity...
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Reply #127 posted 05/13/05 1:37pm

Universaluv

krayzie said:



According to you the best solo artist today is 50 cent ??? eek

Lauryn Hill ?? It spends 7 YEARS since her first solo album was released (in 1998)....

There aren't new great talented artist anymore... Alicia Keys seemed to be the great new artist, but her second album proved that she's not THAT great...

Most of them today don't have charisma, talent, star attitude, and creativity...


Read your own question. Did you ask me who the "best" artist was? no.

And I said I thought about Laurynn Hill, but I left her off my answer. because it's been 7 years.

Add Speakerboxx/The love Below to that list
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Reply #128 posted 05/13/05 2:18pm

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Great topic!

According to the book, "One Hundred Best-Selling Albums of the 70's", according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the top three solo artist (since you want only three) are:

Meatloaf with "Bat Out Of Hell" (sold 14,000,000 copies, released 10/77)

Billy Joel with "The Stranger" (sold 10,000,000 copies, released 09/77)

Carole King with "Tapestry" (sold 10,000,000 copies, released 03/71)

Rounding off the top ten for SOLO Artists... are:


Stevie Wonder's "Songs In The Key of Life" is at 9 million released 09/76

Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall" is at 7 million released 08/79

Billy Joel again, with "52nd Street" is at 7 million released 10/78

Jackson Browne with "Running On Empty" is at 7 million released 01/78

Elton John with "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" is at 7 million released 10/73

Bob Seger with "Night Moves" at 6 million released 11/76

and Peter Frampton with "Frampton Comes Alive" at 6 million too, released 01/76.


Now, keep in mind this only reflects sales... not my personal choices. But... if you're talking who did what in numbers... this is it. nod
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Reply #129 posted 05/13/05 2:39pm

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Universaluv said:

Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now? confused


It's according to the individual. My mother was a teenager in the 1960s but enjoyed music of the 1970s much more. She also enjoyed a lot of the music of the 1980s. She didn't like the 1980s music as much as the 1970s (of course she has her preference), but she never said that music sucked until the 1990s when rap and hip hop took over and she said it all sounded like a "dog fight".

I, on the other hand, was a teenager in the 1980s and was saying music was starting to suck as early as 1985. By the early 1990s, I was saying the whole damn music world sucked.

It's not a matter of getting older because I was in my early 20s in the early 1990s, it's a matter of music changing for the worse that turned me off. Uptempo jams became extinct and ballads and midtempo music completely took over. Also, practically all the instruments were stripped from the songs except for a midtempo drum machine and a sampled record.

One of the major reasons older people in the 1950s hated the change in music is because it was uptempo and they considered it "evil". With no uptempo jams these days, we are going backwards instead of forwards. With the tempo of today's songs, if the rap was taken off the records and a few more instruments added, our grandparents would love it because it's slow enough for them to enjoy. As a matter of fact, they may think it's too slow because they did at least have some uptempo jazz in their day.
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Reply #130 posted 05/13/05 3:44pm

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vainandy said:

[I, on the other hand, was a teenager in the 1980s and was saying music was starting to suck as early as 1985. By the early 1990s, I was saying the whole damn music world sucked.

I LOVED the 90's. Most of them anyway. I think this decade sucks for the most part.
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Reply #131 posted 05/13/05 3:48pm

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vainandy said:

[I, on the other hand, was a teenager in the 1980s and was saying music was starting to suck as early as 1985. By the early 1990s, I was saying the whole damn music world sucked.

I LOVED the 90's. Most of them anyway. I think this decade sucks for the most part.


I think many artists have acquitted themselves very well in the "double-zips," including Beck, Me'Shell, De La Soul, MF Doom, Badu, Jill Scott, Lewis Taylor, Jazzanova, Radiohead, White Stripes, Josh Rouse, Madlib, OutKast, Koop, Bebel Gilberto and so many others.
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Reply #132 posted 05/13/05 3:56pm

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namepeace said:

I think many artists have acquitted themselves very well in the "double-zips," including Beck, Me'Shell, De La Soul, MF Doom, Badu, Jill Scott, Lewis Taylor, Jazzanova, Radiohead, White Stripes, Josh Rouse, Madlib, OutKast, Koop, Bebel Gilberto and so many others.

Oh, I agree. But most of them are holdovers from previous decades.

You can add Bjork, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos, Tricky, Missy Elliott, Mary J. Blige, Dave Grohl in whatever he's involved with to the list of 90's artists who are still doin' their thing today.
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Reply #133 posted 05/13/05 4:01pm

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Stevie Wonder
Elton John
David Bowie

I know Marvin was HUGE as was Al Green. My first two are a no-brainer, but, I gotta go with Bowie as my third. I think he had the 'most' impact.
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Reply #134 posted 05/13/05 10:12pm

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namepeace said:

I think many artists have acquitted themselves very well in the "double-zips," including Beck, Me'Shell, De La Soul, MF Doom, Badu, Jill Scott, Lewis Taylor, Jazzanova, Radiohead, White Stripes, Josh Rouse, Madlib, OutKast, Koop, Bebel Gilberto and so many others.

Oh, I agree. But most of them are holdovers from previous decades.

You can add Bjork, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos, Tricky, Missy Elliott, Mary J. Blige, Dave Grohl in whatever he's involved with to the list of 90's artists who are still doin' their thing today.


I see your point now!
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Reply #135 posted 05/13/05 11:06pm

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DavidEye said:

Novabreaker said:

Oh for crying out loud, accept a few facts here:

1) Donna Summer(s?) is not really a music legend.
2) She is not well-known across the globe
3) You're all just really goddamn old

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Boy,sit your young ass down and take notes.We're giving you a music lesson here! lol


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Reply #136 posted 05/13/05 11:09pm

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vainandy said:

[I, on the other hand, was a teenager in the 1980s and was saying music was starting to suck as early as 1985. By the early 1990s, I was saying the whole damn music world sucked.

I LOVED the 90's. Most of them anyway. I think this decade sucks for the most part.


1990-93 was good to me.

But sometime after 1994 (read: when 2pac was killed), the 90's suck for good.
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Reply #137 posted 05/14/05 1:22am

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DavidEye said:




Boy,sit your young ass down and take notes.We're giving you a music lesson here! lol


Hell yeah!!! cool

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Reply #138 posted 05/14/05 1:40am

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TonyVanDam said:

1990-93 was good to me.

But sometime after 1994 (read: when 2pac was killed), the 90's suck for good.

Didn't Tupac die late '96?
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Reply #139 posted 05/14/05 6:16am

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Novabreaker said:

2) She is not well-known across the globe


Really?




Seems like they know her pretty well in Japan.
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Reply #140 posted 05/14/05 6:25am

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3) You're all just really goddamn old



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Reply #141 posted 05/14/05 8:25am

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Novabreaker said:

3) You're all just really goddamn old





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Reply #142 posted 05/14/05 12:47pm

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andyman91 said:



She's great, no doubt, but can you name another Carol King record?


Tapestry will always be one of those era-defining albums. That said, Carole King's true icon status lies in her 60's songwriter's catalogue, not in her 70's work as a solo star.



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Reply #143 posted 05/15/05 4:45pm

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Novabreaker said:

You're all fucking crazy...

David Bowie
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye

Obviously.

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Reply #144 posted 05/15/05 11:21pm

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I don't think anyone has said Fleetwood Mac.
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Reply #145 posted 05/15/05 11:31pm

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I don't think anyone has said Fleetwood Mac.


instructions specified solo artist only..

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Reply #146 posted 05/15/05 11:43pm

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Oh, my bad. Didn't read it entirely.
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Reply #147 posted 05/16/05 12:03am

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Novabreaker said:
2) She is not well-known across the globe

Really?

Seems like they know her pretty well in Japan.


whofarted

What does a Japanese release have to do with anything? Besides the Japanese know very little about foreign music anyway.

Seriously sepaking, if I can't name a single Donna Summers song outright that must be telling of something about her status abroad. "Disco Queen" or not, at least outside the US she has disappeared with barely a trace. Maybe the radio plays her tunes after midnight, no doubt, but you know in the end - who the hell is Donna Summer(s?) anyway?
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Reply #148 posted 05/16/05 3:17am

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People definitely know her songs better nowadays than the person Donna Summer. David Bowie would be the exact opposite, I guess.
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Reply #149 posted 05/16/05 3:57am

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Great topic!

According to the book, "One Hundred Best-Selling Albums of the 70's", according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the top three solo artist (since you want only three) are:

Meatloaf with "Bat Out Of Hell" (sold 14,000,000 copies, released 10/77)

Billy Joel with "The Stranger" (sold 10,000,000 copies, released 09/77)

Carole King with "Tapestry" (sold 10,000,000 copies, released 03/71)




Two of those artists (Meatloaf and Carole King) certainly had a big,successful album,but if we're gonna pick the Top Three icons of the entire decade (1970-79),I think we would have to consider artists who were consistent hitmakers throughout the entire 70s.Sure,'Tapestry' was phenomenal,but how many other Carole King hits and/or albums can you name?
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