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PrintableNovabreaker said: DavidEye said: Her iconic status is not in question,and one can easily make the argument that she should be one of the top three. If the general population across the globe has no idea who Donna Summer(s?) is and there are virtually no mentions of her influence on the music genres of today (yes, yes, I know about the "first all electronic song ever recorded"-thing, but it just isn't true!) so how could anyone argue that she should be regarded that high? The general population across the globe has absolutely no idea who Donna Summer is (and, yes, it's Summer, in case you were wondering)? News to me. | |
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You gotta be kidding,right? The general population across the globe were buying those records too! Some of everyone was getting into disco and that is also one of the things that led to the death of it. Senior citizens and children were taking disco dance lessons. Older artists like Ethel Mermon tried making a disco record. These things took away from the "coolness" of the genre because it definately was not "cool" if your grandmother liked the same music you did.  There's absolutely no way to have been into disco and not know the name Donna Summer.[Edited 5/13/05 5:53am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Novabreaker said: Okay, I asked the girl that sits next to me who Donna Summer is and she responded to me "I think she's some singer from the 80s".
Go figure. Oh wowz, can you ask her who Marvin Gaye is? I mean, she seems really knowledgeable and stuff. Although, technically, she is correct, she also sounds like a moron. | |
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DavidEye said: Novabreaker said: If the general population across the globe has no idea who Donna Summer(s?) is and there are virtually no mentions of her influence on the music genres of today (yes, yes, I know about the "first all electronic song ever recorded"-thing, but it just isn't true!) so how could anyone argue that she should be regarded that high? You gotta be kidding,right? The general population across the globe were buying those records too! They know who Donna Summer is.She even had a couple of European hits ("Lady Of The Night"(1974) and "The Hostage"(1975)) early in her career,when she was living in Germany.As for her influence on the music genres of today...she was the first real "dance music queen",long before Madonna,Janet,Kylie and the others came along.Her breathy 1975 smash hit "Love To Love You Baby" paved the way for many of the sexy dance tracks that you hear now."I Feel Love" is one of the first real techno songs.When John Lennon (yes,THAT John Lennon) first heard it,he declared "This is the future of music".She recorded the only listenable version of "MacArthur Park",and with her 'Bad Girls' album,she successfully mixed rock with disco (listen to "Hot Stuff"),which was unheard of back then.Alot of the electronic/techno music that Madonna does today was undoubtedly inspired by the groundbreaking work that Donna did with producers Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. Someone once said, "Without Donna Summer, there would be no Madonna." | |
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Novabreaker said: Okay, I asked the girl that sits next to me who Donna Summer is and she responded to me "I think she's some singer from the 80s".
Go figure. She must be very young. Donna Summer had some hits in the 1980s but she is most well known for her disco stuff in the 1970s. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Novabreaker said: Okay, I asked the girl that sits next to me who Donna Summer is and she responded to me "I think she's some singer from the 80s".
Go figure. well,she did had several big hits in the 80s too... "The Wanderer"(1980) "Love Is In Control (Finger On The Trigger)"(1982) "She Works Hard For The Money"(1983) "This Time I Know It's For Real"(1989) I find it hard to believe that you have never heard one of her songs. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Novabreaker said: Okay, I asked the girl that sits next to me who Donna Summer is and she responded to me "I think she's some singer from the 80s".
Go figure. Oh wowz, can you ask her who Marvin Gaye is? Alright. ... Yep. Her answer was alright to me. I mean, she seems really knowledgeable and stuff. Although, technically, she is correct, she also sounds like a moron.
Let me put it this way: Very few people outside the US know who Donna Summer is. Let alone could name several of her songs. Period. | |
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DavidEye said: I find it hard to believe that you have never heard one of her songs. Songs that I could remember were hers. | |
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Novabreaker said:[quote] VoicesCarry said: Alright. ... Yep. Her answer was alright to me. I mean, she seems really knowledgeable and stuff. Although, technically, she is correct, she also sounds like a moron.
Let me put it this way: Very few people outside the US know who Donna Summer is. Let alone could name several of her songs. Period. I don't think so, since she was more popular outside the US (disco was and still is tremendously popular in Europe). You know, you really might want to rethink generalizing the responses of the girl sitting next to you to "the general population". Might not be accurate statistics. Just a thought  | |
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Novabreaker said:
Let me put it this way: Very few people outside the US know who Donna Summer is. Let alone could name several of her songs. Period. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was Germany where she recorded and had her first hit "Love To Love You Baby" and we, here in the States, picked her up after that. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Oh for crying out loud, accept a few facts here:
1) Donna Summer(s?) is not really a music legend. 2) She is not well-known across the globe 3) You're all just really goddamn old  | |
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vainandy said: Novabreaker said:
Let me put it this way: Very few people outside the US know who Donna Summer is. Let alone could name several of her songs. Period. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was Germany where she recorded and had her first hit "Love To Love You Baby" and we, here in the States, picked her up after that. 
In 1974,she released an album called 'Lady Of The Night'.It was released in Germany.It contained two hit singles: "The Hostage" and "Lady Of The Night" and both songs became minor hits in Europe.Interestingly,the songs on this album are NOT disco,they can best be described as folk/rock....not unlike the stuff that Cher was doing in those days.Only one song from this album ("Full Of Emptiness") made it onto her American debut album 'Love To Love You Baby',released in late 1975. | |
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Novabreaker said: Oh for crying out loud, accept a few facts here:
1) Donna Summer(s?) is not really a music legend. 2) She is not well-known across the globe 3) You're all just really goddamn old Boy,sit your young ass down and take notes.We're giving you a music lesson here! | |
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Donna Summer is a Drag Queen Icon. [Edited 5/13/05 6:57am] | |
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lilgish said: Donna Summer is a Drag Queen Icon.
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Novabreaker said: Oh for crying out loud, accept a few facts here:
1) Donna Summer(s?) is not really a music legend. 2) She is not well-known across the globe 3) You're all just really goddamn old Uh, yeah, I'm 19. Age doesn't keep you from knowing your history. If you bothered to know it, you'd find out 1) and 2) are fallacies [Edited 5/13/05 7:12am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: Novabreaker said: Oh for crying out loud, accept a few facts here:
1) Donna Summer(s?) is not really a music legend. 2) She is not well-known across the globe 3) You're all just really goddamn old Uh, yeah, I'm 19. Age doesn't keep you from knowing your history. If you bothered to know it, you'd find out 1) and 2) are fallacies
[Edited 5/13/05 7:12am] You tell em Voices 
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: Uh, yeah, I'm 19. Age doesn't keep you from knowing your history. If you bothered to know it, you'd find out 1) and 2) are fallacies
[Edited 5/13/05 7:12am] You tell em Voices
This is a Prince discussion site. He's no fucking spring chicken either This thread is a mess.. You can't name only three Icons in the 70's... There were too many, man... Too many great artists Too many great bands Too many great singers... And all these singers/bands were releasing a new album EACH year.... Today, Music sucks when you compare to the 70's.... | |
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Stevie Wonder
Elton John Donna Summer If you've got funk, you've got style. | |
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krayzie said: jayaredee said: You tell em Voices
This is a Prince discussion site. He's no fucking spring chicken either This thread is a mess.. You can't name only three Icons in the 70's... There were too many, man... Too many great artists Too many great bands Too many great singers... And all these singers/bands were releasing a new album EACH year.... Today, Music sucks when you compare to the 70's.... We definately live in harsh times as far as music is concerned. When we see people worshipping Gwen Stefani and dishing on Mariah, you know the end is near The 70s was definately my favorite decade for music as far as artists are concerned. | |
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krayzie said: This thread is a mess.. You can't name only three Icons in the 70's... There were too many, man... Too many great artists Too many great bands Too many great singers... And all these singers/bands were releasing a new album EACH year.... Today, Music sucks when you compare to the 70's.... I agree. I Might be able to give you a Top 10 of the 70's, and Stevie was definititely one of the giants, but beyond that, it depends on what you were listening to... there was so much going on musically in that decade... You could probably make a case for all of the above ( for example, I'm not a big Donna Summer fan, but she was huge -- Disco was a HUGE part of the 70's, But So were Bowie, Elton John, Marvin Gaye, Barry Gibb, Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Billy Joel, James Taylor, Neil Young, Freddie Mercury, Frank Zappa)... Another problem is that, unlike the 80's, where Individuals were so important to the Media, and Videos were so necessary, In the 70's, there was much more Emphasis on Groups -- Earth Wind And Fire, The Bee Gees, Kiss, Parliament-Funkadelic, Queen, The Eagles, Steely Dan , Jackson 5, Led Zeppelin, etc., -- so yeah, it all depends... ... [Edited 5/13/05 14:41pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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krayzie said: jayaredee said: You tell em Voices
This is a Prince discussion site. He's no fucking spring chicken either This thread is a mess.. You can't name only three Icons in the 70's... There were too many, man... Too many great artists Too many great bands Too many great singers... And all these singers/bands were releasing a new album EACH year.... Today, Music sucks when you compare to the 70's.... Sounds like you're getting old. 
Hard to really evaluate a time period as its being experienced. "music today sucks compared to insert era here" is an age old adage that people throw around to much imho. people tend to remember the icons of their favorite era and forget the crap that dominated the airwaves. Funny how the older you get the more "music today" sucks. | |
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hi tony  you said solo artist right? so count thin lizzy out cuz although it sounds like a skinny chick named lizzy it's a group... also LED Zeppelin is not a solo soul singer and Pink Floyd is not at all about some cat named floyd who looked pretty in pink...
here's my choices... 
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Universaluv said: krayzie said: This thread is a mess.. You can't name only three Icons in the 70's... There were too many, man... Too many great artists Too many great bands Too many great singers... And all these singers/bands were releasing a new album EACH year.... Today, Music sucks when you compare to the 70's.... Sounds like you're getting old.
Hard to really evaluate a time period as its being experienced. "music today sucks compared to insert era here" is an age old adage that people throw around to much imho. people tend to remember the icons of their favorite era and forget the crap that dominated the airwaves. Funny how the older you get the more "music today" sucks. Actually, I've found that in general, the more old music you listen to, the more music today sucks. At least that's what I've experienced. I'm not even in my twenties yet and I can't listen to most of the shit they call music today. Since experience comes with age also, I can imagine that's why the old adage is true for many people. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Universaluv said: Sounds like you're getting old.
Hard to really evaluate a time period as its being experienced. "music today sucks compared to insert era here" is an age old adage that people throw around to much imho. people tend to remember the icons of their favorite era and forget the crap that dominated the airwaves. Funny how the older you get the more "music today" sucks. Actually, I've found that in general, the more old music you listen to, the more music today sucks. At least that's what I've experienced. I'm not even in my twenties yet and I can't listen to most of the shit they call music today. Since experience comes with age also, I can imagine that's why the old adage is true for many people. Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now? | |
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Universaluv said: VoicesCarry said: Actually, I've found that in general, the more old music you listen to, the more music today sucks. At least that's what I've experienced. I'm not even in my twenties yet and I can't listen to most of the shit they call music today. Since experience comes with age also, I can imagine that's why the old adage is true for many people. Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now?  Well, you know what, I think that if we actually bothered to expose kids today to music from the 60's and 70's, I think you'd be seeing a lot more people like me. None of my friends in high school even knew who Stevie or Marvin was. None of them had ever listened to a Beatles record. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. If you don't know the past, you can't be expected to judge the present.
Yes, there is a tendency for older people to use the cliché simply because they like what they grew up with. But I also know there are a LOT of orgers here who actually listen to more contemporary music than I do, and who are way beyond me in knowledge and experience. So not everyone who uses the cliché is the cliché | |
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VoicesCarry said: Universaluv said: Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now? Well, you know what, I think that if we actually bothered to expose kids today to music from the 60's and 70's, I think you'd be seeing a lot more people like me. None of my friends in high school even knew who Stevie or Marvin was. None of them had ever listened to a Beatles record. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. If you don't know the past, you can't be expected to judge the present.
Yes, there is a tendency for older people to use the cliché simply because they like what they grew up with. But I also know there are a LOT of orgers here who actually listen to more contemporary music than I do, and who are way beyond me in knowledge and experience. So not everyone who uses the cliché is the cliché hey these are just my over-generalized opinions, take em for what they they are worth. By the way, "kids today don't know what they should know" is the other generational constant.
I can only deal with the kids I know. I've got an 18 year old brother, he has the Beatles on his ipod along with the Gorillaz (love their new song btw). Kids who want to know something about music will find the good stuff. Those who don't won't. . [Edited 5/13/05 11:02am] | |
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Novabreaker said: You're all fucking crazy...
David Bowie Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Obviously. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Well, you know what, I think that if we actually bothered to expose kids today to music from the 60's and 70's, I think you'd be seeing a lot more people like me. None of my friends in high school even knew who Stevie or Marvin was. None of them had ever listened to a Beatles record. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. If you don't know the past, you can't be expected to judge the present.
Yes, there is a tendency for older people to use the cliché simply because they like what they grew up with. But I also know there are a LOT of orgers here who actually listen to more contemporary music than I do, and who are way beyond me in knowledge and experience. So not everyone who uses the cliché is the cliché  I love this guy!
tA  Tribal Disorder
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Universaluv said: VoicesCarry said: Actually, I've found that in general, the more old music you listen to, the more music today sucks. At least that's what I've experienced. I'm not even in my twenties yet and I can't listen to most of the shit they call music today. Since experience comes with age also, I can imagine that's why the old adage is true for many people. Experience has taught me that I've heard the "music today sucks compared to the good old datys" argument over too many eras too give it much credence. At a personal level, I remember in the 80's my mom concluding that music then sucked compared to the 60s with the Beatles, Hendrix and the Stones. In the 70's my grandmother said the same thing about music then. Now the 70's is some kinda "golden era" of music. 20 years later its the same argument. And guess what they'll be saying 20 years from now? OK, you want to compare... Tell me who's the Biggest rock band of Today ??? Tell me who's the biggest solo artist of today ??? How many CLASSIC albums were released since 2000, that truly shocked the world ???? Artists who dominate the music industry today SUCK compare to the greatest artists of yesterday... The 60's and 70's were the best decades in Music, since then, Music slowly started to suck, more and more.... This is a FACT... Everybody know that.... [Edited 5/13/05 12:08pm] | |
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