DavidEye said:

No, David. If Mike was molesting children then he'd be doing wrong. Falling asleep in the same room is not a crime.

There may not be any wrong doing involved but it's hella inappropriate especially when you've already been accused.

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
By Roger Friedman
http://www.foxnews.com/st...20,00.html

Character Actress Has Character

Coming to Jackson's rescue yesterday was a woman whose face you've seen on TV and in films hundreds of times.

Vernee Watson-Johnson is a fine character actress who started her career as a Sweat Hog on "Welcome Back, Kotter," played Will Smith's mom on "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" and has appeared on almost every major TV series in the last year.

So you can imagine everyone's surprise when Watson-Johnson turned up as a witness for the defense yesterday.

It turns out it was she — and not Laugh Factory owner Jamie Masada — who introduced Janet Arvizo's 13-year-old son to Michael Jackson.

Watson-Johnson, who'd been to Neverland, had taught the boy, his brother and sister at the Los Angeles Academy of Fine Arts.

When she heard he had cancer, Vernee made the Jackson connection for him. She lived to regret it.

In her highly effective testimony, Watson-Johnson told the jury that she had tried to set up one of the many fundraisers held for the Arvizo family, but gave up.

Why?

"I didn't trust her," she said of Janet Arvizo.

Apparently when she asked Arvizo to set up a trust account at a bank for her son to receive charity funds, the mother balked.

"She said, ‘Don't worry, you can put it in my account.' I had a strong feeling the money would not be used properly," said Watson-Johnson.

And it was worse than that. The actress confessed that, like a lot of celebrities, she'd given the family money. She also let them visit her at home once, something she would not do again.

"They were unruly, very disruptive," she said echoing many other witnesses. "I wouldn't have it [again] after the first time. I couldn't stand the energy."

Backing up testimony from other witnesses that Janet Arvizo coached her kids to get what she wanted, Watson-Johnson hit that nail on its head again and again.

She said that the mother would often have her second son, age 12, call to ask if they could stay with Watson-Johnson. As always, there was a lot of prompting while the child spoke.

Watson-Johnson remembered hearing the mother say in the background. "Tell her you love her!"

The actress' testimony was so devastating to the state's case that prosecutors declined to cross-examine her.

The day's other big witness was Christian Robinson, the videographer who made the Jackson rebuttal videos and also filmed interviews with the Arvizo family and Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe.

He persuasively explained that no "scripts" were given to the subjects of those interviews, and that the questions were written by him. Robinson helped cast further doubt on the state's accusation that there was a conspiracy to hold the Arvizos hostage.

Not as successful, but certainly interesting, was testimony from obscure Jackson relatives: a 16-year-old girl, a 12-year-old boy and their grandmother, Michelle Jackson, sister-in-law of Michael's father Joseph Jackson.

The girl said she saw the Arvizo boys drinking at Neverland. The boy claimed he saw the Arvizo boys fondling themselves while watching dirty movies at Neverland.

But his testimony may have backfired. He also recalled being in Jackson's room when the singer ordered a bottle of wine. If only it had been cookies and milk.
[Edited 5/19/05 7:55am]

Can I have a question, guys? Presuming he´s innocent (which I think by now we all can agree he probably is) what is a greater crime or more inappropriate - falling asleep in a same room with someone or accusing someone worldwide famous of such a terrible thing like child molestation for any type of reasons whether it´s possible financial gain or whatever? I find it unbelievable that ppl keep coming here saying MJ acts inappropriately and not being shocked at what the other side of this case is doing.


BTW nice quote, Jackie blue.

[img]The history of the world is the history of lies.[/img]
yours too, Cloudy.

Well, if michael has a desire to share his bed with children he should at least think about the child. How are other people/kids going to react to a kid who has shared a bed with an accused paedophile (I'm not saying he is such
-> "accused")? Yes, he probably likes being surrounded by kids all the time and perhaps even falling asleep with kids in the same bed reminds him of his own childhood when he had to share his bed with his brothers and sisters. But he is a grown-up man for chrissakes. If it's going to harm the kid in any possible way, he should realize that there is something inappropriate about it. How hard can it be to stop sleeping with other people's children. How seriously damaged mentally is he?

RogerFriedman said:

Interesting. It's a "Friedman-view", but if this is the truth then it's definitely more good news for Jackson.

dag said:

Well, we already know the answer to this one. Mike brought it all upon himself.

forget it, this judge is a fucking cracker asshole edit
[Edited 5/19/05 9:42am]

Larry King Can't Testify for Jackson By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer
49 minutes ago



The judge in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial ruled Thursday against allowing CNN host Larry King to testify for the defense, saying his testimony would be irrelevant.

Judge Rodney S. Melville ruled after listening to King's account of a conversation with an attorney, Larry Feldman, who represented the accuser's family.

Without the jury present, King said that Feldman told him the accuser's mother was out for money and referred to her as "wacko."

Feldman testified earlier for the prosecution and denied saying such things about his clients.

After listening to King's account, the judge ruled that King's testimony would not impeach Feldman's own testimony and King left the court.

Feldman was contacted by the accuser's family members after they left Jackson's Neverland estate for the last time in 2003. He referred them to Stan Katz, a psychologist who reported suspicions of child molestation to authorities after interviewing the family members.

On the stand and without jurors present, King said he spoke to Feldman at a Beverly Hills restaurant before the trial began. He said he and a producer were trying to get Feldman to appear on "Larry King Live."

He said Feldman told him he didn't take the mother's case because he didn't find her credible and thought she was only after money.

"The mother was a 'wacko' was the term he used," King said.

"He said he thinks she wants money. ... He said 'wacko' a couple of times and he said 'she's in this for the money,'" King told the judge.

Jackson defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. asked King if he asked Feldman to clarify what he meant by wacko.

"No, I think that's self-explanatory," King said.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003 and plying him with wine. He is also charged with conspiring to hold the boy's family captive to get them to rebut a damaging documentary in which Jackson said he let children sleep in his bed but that it was non-sexual.

Feldman testified in early April. The prosecution had called him as part of its explanation to the jury of how the alleged molestation came to the attention of authorities. But the defense used his appearance to pursue its contention that the accuser and his family were out to get money from Jackson.

Feldman acknowledged under cross-examination that the boy, now 15, could file a civil lawsuit against Jackson until he turns 20 years old.

superspaceboy said:

This Judge is a drunken, bent, mofo. This twat comes out of retirement to help his golf buddy Sneddon, he allowed all these 1108, third party witnesses in to just allow gossip and speculation form 1993, some of them didn't know Michael anymore than you and i, and yet LK had something concrete to say on Feldman which would have gone some way to proving the guy lied on the stand and would have further damaged the state's PRESENT case (you know, the one Michael IS actually on trial for)

at least it's being reported, i just hope members of the Jury will somehow get to hear what he had to say. there's a fair chance they will i'd say.

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this case is .....you know what.....

the only good thing about it is that we get to see MJ everyday.

Something from the KOP board, taken allegedly from the Celebrity Justice...

Velez-Mitchell: Meantime, CJ spoke exclusively with a man who says he knows Neverland like the back of his hand. Adam Meehawl says he started working there right after the accuser and his family left. Proudly showing me his badge, a Neverland fire rescue T-shirt, and a letter of recommendation. He says he enjoyed his time as a security guard there.

Meehawl: Whenever I would go through those gates, my problems would go away.

Velez-Mitchell: Meehawl says, after about a year he left on his own accord. He says, he believes the accuser's mother who claims she was held captive at Neverland could have left too.

Meehawl: You can't keep a family there what-so-ever. You can't do it. The fences are two feet high. You can dial 911 from any phone there.

Velez-Mitchell: Meehawl tells me he's coming forward because he doesn't believe some of the testimony of some former employees -- including one who says he looked through a window and witnessed Jackson perform oral sex on his '93 accuser.

Meehawl: My thing was, when I worked out there, you couldn't see through that window.

Velez-Mitchell: Now, Meehawl says he believes the real victim here, may be Jackson himself.

Meehawl: He lives in his own world, he lives at Neverland.

http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...topic=6728

dag said:

bless your heart

Forreal, I think we've heard our share of hearsay, what's one more witness?

dag said:

self mutilation is not sickness so what is it? and don't answer me Cher or Pamela Anderson please..

I meant sick = being pedo.

Had to post this picture.

Larry King got the boot but Azja Pryor, C Tucker's ex, came through for the defense:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7913686/


Defense witness Azja Pryor arrives for the Michael Jackson trial Thursday. Pryor, the mother of comedian Chris Tucker's son, wept as she recalled meeting Jackson's accuser and his family when the boy had cancer.

The mother of Michael Jackson’s teen accuser praised Jackson as an “angel” and was eager to participate in a 2003 video defending his reputation, a family friend testified Thursday in the singer’s child molestation trial.

The sometimes emotional testimony by actress Azja Pryor, the ex-fiancée of movie star Chris Tucker, was a further blow to the prosecution.

Prosecutors claim that Jackson conspired to imprison the family of his accuser and compel them to make a video in his defense at a time when his reputation and finances were threatened by a critical documentary that highlighted his practice of sharing his bed with children.

Earlier Thursday the judge had barred testimony from television talk show host Larry King, who was prepared to tell jurors about a conversation he had with a lawyer who met with the boy’s family and described the mother as “wacko.”

Jackson’s defense team, which is nearing the end of its case after three weeks of testimony, has painted the accuser’s mother as a grifter out to get money from the entertainer and the boy and his brother as having run out-of-control during their stay at Jackson’s Neverland estate.

Jackson has been charged with molesting his accuser, then 13, at Neverland in early 2003, plying the boy with alcohol and conspiring to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion.

The 46-year-old entertainer, who has pleaded innocent, faces over 20 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Pryor became friends with the boy’s family after she was introduced to them through Tucker at a Los Angeles comedy club when the accuser was battling cancer and a number of celebrities became involved in efforts to help them.

Early in her testimony, Pryor broke down and cried when asked her about the family. “It’s hard for me because I really do love the kids a lot,” she said in an apparent reference to her reluctance to testify against them.

But under questioning from Jackson lawyer Tom Mesereau, Pryor said the accuser’s mother had asked her to take the family back to Neverland in February 2003, just after the family met with a social worker investigating possible child abuse by the entertainer.

On that trip, the boy and his brother spent the day playing at Neverland and even asked the ranch manager to be allowed to stay in Jackson’s bedroom at a time when the entertainer was away.

The accuser’s mother, Pryor said, never spoke critically of Jackson and praised him in lavish terms. “It was something to the effect (of) what a great man he is. He is an angel. His love is great,” Pryor said.

The woman also talked with excitement about heading to Brazil for Carnival, Pryor said. That countered prosecution claims Jackson had planned to spirit the boy’s family away to head off trouble in the wake of a televised documentary in which he appeared holding hands with the boy.

The mother’s participation in a “rebuttal video” in Jackson’s defense was voluntary, Pryor said.

“She was very anxious to tell the world that this beautiful friendship was nothing more than they saw -- a beautiful friendship,” Pryor said.
Earlier, in a hearing without the jury present, King said attorney Larry Feldman, who was asked to represent the accuser in 2003, had told him during a breakfast conversation that he had dropped the case because “he thought the woman in this case was wacko and was only in it for the money.”

In earlier testimony, Feldman had said the mother had no intention of suing Jackson and was not interested in money.

Feldman represented a then-13-year-old boy who accused Jackson of molestation in 1993 and won a settlement worth about $20 million. Jackson was never charged in that case.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Cloudbuster said:

Dag. My dear, sweet dag. PLEASE don't tell me you believe MJ merely "fell asleep" in the same room with countless boys on countless occasions over the last 20 years or so.

Are you saying that a middle-aged man sleeping in the same bed with prepubescent boys on numerous occasions is APPROPRIATE?

If MJ is being falsely accused, then it's wrong. But such spurious accusations gain no traction if MJ doesn't admit to sharing a bed with young boys.

(Would you allow your prepubescent child in another man's bed?)


C-bust . . . you tell me . . . would anyone even buy these charges if MJ had not slept with boys? Would the DA have tried this case if MJ hadn't admitted before the world that he did so? If you answer these questions in the affirmative, then PLEASE tell me you're kidding.

I don't see what's so hard for you all to understand about the truth. No sleeping with boys = no trial. Sleeping with boys + admitting it = trial.

No matter how you slice it, that's the truth.

yes, there would. Before 93 came along he never admitted to it,yet he was accused of it.

Look, I know what you are saying, but I always feel as if I was excusing a murder or something. YOu know what´s funny thought, that the ppl he admited to share a bed with DEFEND him (culkin etc.) and the ones where he said that he slept on the FLOOR accuse him, it´s funny.

OF course I believe he "merely fell asleep" cause if I didn´t believe that I´d have to think he really molested them, which I don´t believe. I mean, have you seen Home movies? C´mon, Mike´s a KID!!! I can imagine how all those thing came about. Why can´t ppl just accept he´s childish (I´d say child-like, but whatever, as long as they don´t call him pedophile, childish is OK for me) or whatever and needs a company of his "peers" who he feels connected to, which is much more probably than consider MJ being an agressive pedophile, who abducts ppl. I mean it´s ridiculous.

Of course I'm no expert on this court things but with pure common sense, you'd think that Larry King's testimony is very relevant to the case. What the f*ck is wrong with the judge? Is he senile or what?

calldapplwondery83 said:

I think "biased" is the word you're looking for.

namepeace said:

What's interesting is that when the Living With Michael Jackson documentary was shown, Sneddon was asked if he was gonna prosecute on the basis of Michael admitting that he still had sleep-overs at Neverland. Sneddon replied "It's a media circus and I don't want to be a part of it. You can't do anything without victims - and we don't have any victims." So, what swayed him? Simply the chance to ruin a guy who he had no hard evidence against? You tell me.

Cloudbuster said:

"oh,cloudy you is so smart and special "

Chris, you need a make-over. You're starting to look like Michael Jackson.

Cloudbuster said:

kant!

Christopher said:

Cloudbuster said:

mj is lookin pretty good these days

He's going for your look, I see.