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Reply #30 posted 05/12/05 1:18pm

Marrk

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xpsiter said:

dag said:


looking kinda sleepy. Mike what have you been doing??


Making musc, I hope.


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late at night, early in the morning. I'd forgotten he's had a studio recently built at Neverland. He's also been dancing regularly at 5.30 am these last few weeks.

Perhaps he's up to something. He should be as well. I've noticed a vast change in people's opinion of him these last few days, and it's in the main positive.

2006 could be a big year for him.
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Reply #31 posted 05/12/05 1:48pm

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I can only hope that 2006 will see his return as a musician with all new dance moves, new material, not more old hits
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Reply #32 posted 05/12/05 2:16pm

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Marrk said:

xpsiter said:



Making musc, I hope.


nod

late at night, early in the morning. I'd forgotten he's had a studio recently built at Neverland. He's also been dancing regularly at 5.30 am these last few weeks.

Perhaps he's up to something. He should be as well. I've noticed a vast change in people's opinion of him these last few days, and it's in the main positive.

2006 could be a big year for him.


He should do Vegas...Like Celine. He could have a show weekly and make a lot of dough. People may think he is wierd...but plenty would still go to a show of his.

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Reply #33 posted 05/12/05 2:17pm

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EMattP said:

I can only hope that 2006 will see his return as a musician with all new dance moves, new material, not more old hits


Musician? whofarted I never thought him as that. I've seen him pinkle on the piano...but that's about it.

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Reply #34 posted 05/12/05 5:30pm

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Marrk said:

xpsiter said:



Making musc, I hope.


nod

late at night, early in the morning. I'd forgotten he's had a studio recently built at Neverland. He's also been dancing regularly at 5.30 am these last few weeks.

Perhaps he's up to something. He should be as well. I've noticed a vast change in people's opinion of him these last few days, and it's in the main positive.

2006 could be a big year for him.


Wow. I dig MJ, but you are SUPEROPTIMISTIC about MJ's career right now. He still might be found guilty. What kind of VAst change in people's opinions have you noticed. Is this happening globally, locally, at your work, at you house? What? I think the media's potrayal of MJ is a harsh as ever.
"New Power slide...."
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Reply #35 posted 05/12/05 5:37pm

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mark geragos to testify tomorrow
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Reply #36 posted 05/13/05 12:58am

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mark geragos to testify tomorrow

what useful imformation could he possibly have for the trial that the new lawyers wouldnt have?
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Reply #37 posted 05/13/05 1:01am

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something I found on the King of Pop board and thought you guys might be interested in reading it.


http://www.huffingtonpost...f-the.html

"It got me to thinking about fame and massive success and about how some people can handle it -- and how for others it can be the most destructive thing in the world.

It got me to thinking about Michael -- and how difficult it is to watch what’s going on with him now.

When we made “Thriller”, he was the most beautiful person in the world. Just a beautiful little brother. And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?

All I know is that, on their own, human beings are not programmed to be able to handle that much fame, that much adulation, that much success. The only way to deal with something that overwhelming -- even overwhelming success -- is if you are spiritually centered.

If you believe that you deserve all that money and adulation, that’s a problem. If you believe you don’t deserve it, that’s also a problem. And if you don’t understand this, you’re in trouble.

I’ve been in the business 57 years and I’ve seen it over and over again. It’s all about trusting a higher power; believing in divinity. It’s about cause and manifestation. Cause being God’s job, manifestation clearly being our job. The moment success leads you to say, “I’ll take it from here, God,” God’s reply will be, “Be my guest.” And God will walk out of the room.

The only way to navigate that road is to have humility and grace.

Those are the two cardinal rules. You must approach creativity with humility and have grace when you’re blessed with success."


The Official Michael Jackson in Court Thread XI: The Defense

Say what you will about Mr. Jackson... he's got some powerful friends, and they're showing up in droves to back their buddy.

This ongoing series of threads can only be attributed to the overwhelming popularity of this performer.

Keep it going, and remember - just try not to repost pics over and over again!

Thanks for playing!

oh June I haven´t read your opening statement till now. It´s great! THANKS!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #38 posted 05/13/05 1:02am

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http://www.huffingtonpost...f-the.html

"It got me to thinking about fame and massive success and about how some people can handle it -- and how for others it can be the most destructive thing in the world.

It got me to thinking about Michael -- and how difficult it is to watch what’s going on with him now.

When we made “Thriller”, he was the most beautiful person in the world. Just a beautiful little brother. And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?

All I know is that, on their own, human beings are not programmed to be able to handle that much fame, that much adulation, that much success. The only way to deal with something that overwhelming -- even overwhelming success -- is if you are spiritually centered.

If you believe that you deserve all that money and adulation, that’s a problem. If you believe you don’t deserve it, that’s also a problem. And if you don’t understand this, you’re in trouble.

I’ve been in the business 57 years and I’ve seen it over and over again. It’s all about trusting a higher power; believing in divinity. It’s about cause and manifestation. Cause being God’s job, manifestation clearly being our job. The moment success leads you to say, “I’ll take it from here, God,” God’s reply will be, “Be my guest.” And God will walk out of the room.

The only way to navigate that road is to have humility and grace.

Those are the two cardinal rules. You must approach creativity with humility and have grace when you’re blessed with success."

oops, sorry. I forgot to let you know that it was QUINCY JONES who said that.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #39 posted 05/13/05 6:45am

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hellomoto said:

lilgish said:

mark geragos to testify tomorrow

what useful imformation could he possibly have for the trial that the new lawyers wouldnt have?


He knew the family from the jump, had them put under surveillance.
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Reply #40 posted 05/13/05 6:47am

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Jacko Defense Witness Gets Immunity
Thursday, May 12, 2005
By Roger Friedman

Vincent Amen (search), one of the five unnamed, unindicted alleged co-conspirators in the Michael Jackson (search) case, secretly got immunity from the prosecution on Dec. 30, 2004.
The problem is, what Amen then told prosecutors was incredibly damaging to their case. He is now free to testify for Jackson without fear of penalty.
This column told you exclusively several weeks ago that Amen had met in secret with the prosecution. But now we know, after court papers were filed this afternoon, that he received "use immunity" from District Attorney Tom Sneddon.
But in papers filed by Jackson's attorneys this afternoon we've learned that what Amen said "contradicted the statements of the Arvizo family and defeated circumstantial evidence inferences which the government has made. As a whole, Mr. Amen's statements were exculpatory."
In other words: The conspiracy case — already weakened to the point of being laughable — is all but over. Amen was the key participant in the government's reasoning that there was some kind of conspiracy. He spent the most time with the Arvizos and knows more about them than anyone.
According to today's filing, the defense will call Amen shortly. Per his "use immunity" agreement, all he has to do is testify truthfully. And the prosecution has already indicated that he will; that's why they didn't call him for their side.
http://www.foxnews.com/st...02,00.html
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Reply #41 posted 05/13/05 8:52am

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Nice one. smile
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Reply #42 posted 05/13/05 10:05am

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BASHIR TO JACKSON: 'LOOKING SO SEXY'

Brit journalist and ABCNEWS correspondent Martin Bashir buttered up Michael Jackson in documentary out-takes viewed by a California jury on Thursday.

When Jackson complained media coverage of him is often "twisted," Bashir assured him, "We aren't going to do that here."

He also told Jackson that the entertainer was "looking so sexy" during the taping.

"Women are going to be taking their pants off and throwing them at the screen," Bashir said.
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Reply #43 posted 05/13/05 11:37am

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BASHIR TO JACKSON: 'LOOKING SO SEXY'

Brit journalist and ABCNEWS correspondent Martin Bashir buttered up Michael Jackson in documentary out-takes viewed by a California jury on Thursday.

When Jackson complained media coverage of him is often "twisted," Bashir assured him, "We aren't going to do that here."

He also told Jackson that the entertainer was "looking so sexy" during the taping.

"Women are going to be taking their pants off and throwing them at the screen," Bashir said.

falloff

I can´t believe he said that.
Anyways it´s true, especially in the last Miami interview. ooh love
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #44 posted 05/13/05 12:55pm

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skywalker said:

Marrk said:



nod

late at night, early in the morning. I'd forgotten he's had a studio recently built at Neverland. He's also been dancing regularly at 5.30 am these last few weeks.

Perhaps he's up to something. He should be as well. I've noticed a vast change in people's opinion of him these last few days, and it's in the main positive.

2006 could be a big year for him.


Wow. I dig MJ, but you are SUPEROPTIMISTIC about MJ's career right now. He still might be found guilty. What kind of VAst change in people's opinions have you noticed. Is this happening globally, locally, at your work, at you house? What? I think the media's potrayal of MJ is a harsh as ever.


Superoptimistic? i don't see why i shouldn't be. Perhaps it's just my sunny disposition.shrug

I commute to work via bus and train, it's in the free Metro paper everyday. before i get to work i spend half an hour or so watching Sky News
while having a coffee in the pub in the train station, you pick up stuff up eavesdropping or in passing. The court reconstructions are an interesting thing to watch in the presence of a room full of strangers.

I'm definately hearing positive things, where as i wasn't six weeks ago. so locally and at work is your answer (my house has always been pro-MJ) biggrin
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Reply #45 posted 05/13/05 3:49pm

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LA TIMES, 12:21 PM PDT, May 13, 2005

Former Jackson Lawyer Geragos Takes the Stand
By Sally Connell and Michael Muskal, Special to The Times


SANTA MARIA, Calif. -- After cooling his heels much of the morning, Mark Geragos, a former attorney for Michael Jackson, took the stand in the singer's child molestation trial.

Geragos was ordered by a stern Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville to appear or face the consequences, a bench warrant for his arrest.

The attorney, who represented Jackson during the investigation and the filing of molestation and conspiracy charges, was called after another former attorney completed his testimony about the pop star's complicated finances.

Geragos was directly involved in representing Jackson in the days after a 2003 British documentary showed the singer holding hands with the current accuser and explaining that he often slept with young children in an innocent way. Geragos was also on Jackson's airplane flight to Santa Barbara, where the pop star surrendered on criminal charges.

Jackson, 46, has been accused of molesting a 13-year-old boy in early 2003 and of giving the child alcohol to aid in the molestation.

Geragos will likely face questions about a private investigator that he employed. During the prosecution case, jurors heard testimony that the investigator, Bradley Miller, ordered surveillance tapes of the accuser's family.

David LeGrand, another former Jackson lawyer, testified this morning about Jackson's finances and suspicions he had about the singer's aides.

The defense hoped to use LeGrand to show that Jackson was a victim of his inner circle while the prosecution hammered at its theme that Jackson conspired with aides Dieter Wiesner and Ronald Konitzer to kidnap, extort and falsely imprison the accuser's family.

On Thursday, LeGrand described what he said was $965,000 missing from the pop star's accounts. LeGrand said he investigated and notified Jackson, who fired the attorney two weeks later.

LeGrand today said he also investigated other close associates after discovering what he thought was an offshore bank account involving John Branca, another former Jackson lawyer, and Tommy Mottola, then head of Sony Music Entertainment. Sony and Jackson are partners in a music catalog that includes songs from the Beatles and Elvis Presley.

Jackson and Mottola had a public falling out in 2002 when the pop star called the executive a devil for allegedly failing to market a Jackson album.

The Jackson camp has also accused Sony of trying to force Jackson to sell his interest in the music, believed to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars and possibly more.

LeGrand gave few details of the account, but the defense argued that it was another example of Jackson being used.

LeGrand's testimony was so tedious that it prompted Melville to remind defense attorney Thomas A. Mesereau Jr. about Geragos waiting in a different room.

"I have this picture of this lawyer walking back and forth tearing his hair out of his head wondering why I ordered him here under threat of warrant this morning while Mr. Mesereau goes on and on. What's wrong with that picture?"

"I think it is probably pretty accurate," Mesereau replied.

"Let's get on with it," Melville said.


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Times correspondent Connell reported from Santa Maria; Times staff writer Muskal handled rewrite from Los Angeles.

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By LINDA DETUSCH, AP Special Correspondent
1 minute ago

* Geragos finally took the stand just before noon and began describing his background. He also asked to see a copy of a waiver of Jackson's attorney-client privilege before testifying. Geragos represented Jackson until early 2004, when he was replaced.


* LeGrand, who said Thursday that he became suspicious of the motives of many in Jackson's inner circle, also raised the issue of Jackson's thorny relationship with Sony Corp (SNE.N). over their shared ownership of a highly valuable music catalogue that includes the works of the Beatles.

LeGrand said he ordered an investigation into whether former Sony Music chairman Tommy Mottola and former Jackson attorney John Branca were conspiring to funnel money to an offshore account to set the stage for a takeover of Jackson's interest in the Sony-ATV catalogue.

LeGrand said he received a report from the investigation agency that suggested an offshore account had been formed and money was being deposited in it by Sony. But he said the investigators never provided him with solid evidence that the account was being used to Jackson's detriment.

"I was given no credible evidence to support those charges," he said.

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Associated Press Writer Tim Molloy contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a..._jackson_4

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Reply #46 posted 05/13/05 3:52pm

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Former Jackson lawyer says he suspected accuser's family

4 minutes ago



SANTA MARIA, United States (AFP) - Michael Jackson's former attorney testified at his child-sex trial how he put the family of Jackson's young accuser under surveillance for fear they might try to blackmail the pop star.

"I was trying to prevent a crime against my client. I thought they were going to try to shake him down," Mark Geragos told jurors.

Geragos was hired by Jackson in February 2003 to help with the fallout of a damaging documentary in which the singer was seen holding hands with his future accuser and admitting to sharing his bed with children.

The controversy stirred up by the documentary ultimately led to Jackson's current trial on charges that he molested his then 13-year-old alleged victim, plied him with alcohol and conspired to hold him and his family captive.

Geragos said he was so concerned about the intentions of the boy's family that he hired a private investigator and had them placed under surveillance.

"Things I heard about (them) gave me great pause," Geragos said.

"I had a concern at that point that, given what was going on, someone might manipulate my client," he added. "I wanted to know where they were, what they were doing, who they were meeting."

He said his suspicions were partly confirmed when a database search turned up a previous allegation of sexual assault the boy's mother had made against a department store chain.

After an investigation that lasted five or six weeks, Geragos said he concluded that Jackson should break off all links with the boy's family.

"I just felt like it was a pending disaster," he said.

Under cross-examination by prosecutors, Geragos said Jackson had acknowledged that young boys slept in his bedroom.

But he also stressed that Jackson explained "that he didn't do anything, ... that there was nothing sexual, .. that if someone spent the night with him in his room, it was unconditional love."

Recalling his first impressions of Jackson, Geragos said he saw a man who was a father but childlike in his manner.

"I saw nothing nefarious," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...0513204937
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Reply #47 posted 05/13/05 6:56pm

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An EXPLOSIVE new court document has been released in the Michael Jackson case concerning the prior sexual history of Davellin Arvizo in relation to a relationship she had while the family claims they were all held hostage and couldn't leave Neverland Ranch.

The defense wants to call a witness, Angel Vivanco, with whom D. Arvizo had a relationship with. To be clear they DO NOT want to get into the physical relationship between the two. Vivanco is a percipient witness specifically to things that were going on during the time the Arvizo family claims they were "held hostage" at Neverland.

More importantly, D. Arvizo called Vivanco on a nightly basis and she informed him that Janet Arvizo (mother) and Jay Jackson (stepfather) were planning "something big" that involved Jackson.

According to the document, Vivanco will also be able to testify to the fact that he witnessed, with his own eyes, Gavin and Star Arvizo both drinking and in possession of sexually explicit material BEFORE February 2003.

Here's an excerpt from the document:


Secondly, after the family has left Neverland, Davellin Arvizo continued to call Mr. Vivanco on a nightly basis. She informed Mr. Vivanco that Janet Arvizo and Jay Jackson were planning "something big" that involved Mr. Jackson. This supports the defense theory that the Arvizos made these allegations as part of a scheme to obtain money from Mr. Jackson.

Third, Mr. Vivanco observed Star and Gavin Arvizo drinking alcohol and possession sexually explicit materials prior to February and March of 2003, and outside the presence of Mr. Jackson. This contradicts the testimony of Gavin and Star.


Wow. If Vivanco comes across as a credible witness at all, this will be another witness and other evidence that directly refute testimony that came in under the prosecution's "case".

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Reply #48 posted 05/14/05 12:40am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #49 posted 05/14/05 2:59am

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Who's Davellin Arvizo? The sister?
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Reply #50 posted 05/14/05 3:20am

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yes
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Reply #51 posted 05/14/05 1:49pm

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Is it me or is The E Channel being more sympathetic towards MJ?
They're planning on making a new True Hollywood story after the trial.
not to mention the show following the court transcripts...
which is not biased at all!

then i go to Vh1 and they're showing these asanine shows!
im going to laugh my ass off if Mj's found innocent and the next week Vh1 does a Mj Week
f*cking Hypocrites...
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Reply #52 posted 05/14/05 10:55pm

waw2002

How much longer is this trial expected to last?
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Reply #53 posted 05/15/05 7:28am

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waw2002 said:

How much longer is this trial expected to last?



2, 3 years....
Space for sale...
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Reply #54 posted 05/15/05 4:57pm

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sosgemini said:

culkin looks hot in that pic above...but then other times his face looks too long...

cant figure out of id bag him or not just yet..

its frustrating me




disbelief @ sos

He looks too much like a little kid for me to bang.


Perv!
Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater?
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Reply #55 posted 05/16/05 4:19am

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klhk said:

sosgemini said:

culkin looks hot in that pic above...but then other times his face looks too long...

cant figure out of id bag him or not just yet..

its frustrating me




disbelief @ sos

He looks too much like a little kid for me to bang.


Perv!


U like that young lawrence kid. Not joey but andy. Now he is 16. Tsk tsk tsk.....legal over here though.
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Reply #56 posted 05/16/05 4:21am

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Cloudbuster said:

Nice one. smile





I beat u sucker. Man u late. Iam apalled and shocked



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Reply #57 posted 05/16/05 9:28am

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Shut it! mad
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Reply #58 posted 05/16/05 9:57am

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Jackson defense calls orthodontist to stand
By TIM MOLLOY
Associated Press Writer

May 16, 2005


An orthodontist testified Monday in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial that she saw no sign that his accuser's family was being held captive when they came to her office on a visit that the mother claims was an attempt to escape from the pop star.

Dr. Jean Lorraine Seamount was called by Jackson's attorneys to counter the mother's testimony that she invented the need for her children to get dental attention as a means to get away from Jackson's Neverland ranch.

Prosecutors contend Jackson conspired with associates to hold the family captive in order to get them to make video rebutting a Feb. 6, 2003, documentary in which the alleged molestation victim appeared with Jackson, who said he let children sleep in his bed in a non-sexual, innocent practice.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old cancer patient in February or March 2003 and plying him with wine.

The accuser and his brother, sister and mother visited Seamount on Feb. 24, 2003.

Seamount testified that the mother asked her to remove her children's braces so she could mail them back to their old orthodontist. Seamount said she advised the mother to not have the braces removed but the mother insisted because she was upset with the previous orthodontist.

"She claimed that once the orthodontist found out who she was he wanted more money," Seamount testified.

Seamount did not testify about any attempt by the mother to indicate she needed help or wanted to escape.

Defense attorneys presented a picture of Seamount's office showing several dental chairs alongside one another in an open setting.

She testified that boy who is now Jackson's accuser behaved poorly and went through drawers, forcing her to throw away several sterilized items.

Seamount also testified there was no film crew present, as the mother testified, no sign the family was held against their will, and no sign that they were in fear.

On cross-examination, Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen asked why the children had been designated "VIP patients."

Seamount said that if patients had special needs they were designated VIPs, which might grant them special privileges in terms of scheduling.

She said Neverland ranch manager Joe Marcus had told someone in her office that the children were high profile and may be recognizable.
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Reply #59 posted 05/16/05 3:38pm

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BASHIR TO JACKSON: 'LOOKING SO SEXY'

Brit journalist and ABCNEWS correspondent Martin Bashir buttered up Michael Jackson in documentary out-takes viewed by a California jury on Thursday.

When Jackson complained media coverage of him is often "twisted," Bashir assured him, "We aren't going to do that here."

He also told Jackson that the entertainer was "looking so sexy" during the taping.

"Women are going to be taking their pants off and throwing them at the screen," Bashir said.

Unbelievable! Oh my god. lol
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