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Thread started 05/12/05 4:23pm

HamsterHuey

Eric Satie's Gymnopédie et Gnossienne

This is so immensely beautiful...

If I ever feel in turmoil, this just calms me down.

I can recommned this musical painkiller to anyone.
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Reply #1 posted 05/12/05 4:24pm

TRON

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HamsterHuey said:

This is so immensely beautiful...

If I ever feel in turmoil, this just calms me down.

I can recommned this musical painkiller to anyone.

More info please...
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Reply #2 posted 05/12/05 4:27pm

HamsterHuey

Don't we love AMG?

Biography

Erik Satie was an important French composer from the generation of Debussy. Best remembered for several groups of piano pieces, including Trois Gymnopédies (1888), Trois Sarabandes (1887) and Trois Gnossiennes (1890), he was championed by Jean Cocteau and helped create the famous group of French composers, Les Six, which was fashioned after his artistic ideal of simplicity in the extreme. Some have viewed certain of his stylistic traits as components of Impressionism, but his harmonies and melodies have relatively little in common with the characteristics of that school. Much of his music has a subdued character, and its charm comes through in its directness and its lack of allegiance to any one aesthetic. Often his melodies are melancholy and hesitant, his moods exotic or humorous, and his compositions as a whole, or their several constituent episodes, short. He was a musical maverick who probably influenced Debussy and did influence Ravel, who freely acknowledged as much. After Satie's second period of study, he began turning more serious in his compositions, eventually producing his inspiring cantata, Socrate, considered by many his greatest work and clearly demonstrating a previously unexhibited agility. In his last decade he turned out several ballets, including Parade and Relâche, indicating his growing predilection for program and theater music. Satie was also a pianist of some ability.

As a child Erik Satie showed interest in music and began taking piano lessons from a local church organist, named Vinot. While he progressed during this period, he showed no unusual gifts. In 1879 he enrolled in the Paris Conservatory, where he studied under Descombe (piano) and Lavignac (solfeggio), but failed to meet minimum requirements and was expelled in 1882. Satie departed Paris on November 15, 1886, to join the infantry in Arras, but he found military life distasteful and intentionally courted illness to relieve himself of duty. That same year his first works were published: Elégie, Trois Mélodies, and Chanson.

The years following his military service formed a bohemian period in Satie's life, the most significant events of which would be the beginnings of his friendship with Debussy, his exposure to eastern music at the Paris World Exhibition, and his association with a number of philosophical and religious organizations (most notably the Rosicrucian Brotherhood).

In 1905 he decided to resume musical study, enrolling in the conservative and controversial Schola Cantorum, run by Vincent d'Indy. His music took on a more academic and rigorous quality, and also began to exhibit the dry wit that would become hallmarks of his style. Many of his compositions received odd titles, especially after 1910, such as Dried up embryos and Three real flabby preludes (for a dog). Some of his works also featured odd instructions for the performer, not intended to be taken seriously, as in his 1893 piano work, Vexations, which carries the admonition in the score, "To play this motif 840 times in succession, it would be advisable to prepare oneself beforehand, in the deepest silence, by serious immobilities."

In 1925 Satie developed pleurisy and his fragile health worsened. He was taken to St. Joseph Hospital, where he lived on for several months. He received the last rites of the Catholic Church in his final days, and died on July 1, 1925.
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Reply #3 posted 05/12/05 4:33pm

HamsterHuey

I was just getting into Satie when Lisa Coleman released her piano improvisations as a bonus disc along with the limited edition of Eroica. These four instrumentals got compared to Satie alot, so if you know these works, then you kind of get a picture of the mood of Satie's work.
[note; One of these four Coleman improv's is Minneapolis #1, formerly known as Dream Factory's Visions.]

It's melancholic, but not without ever losing itself in waters that are too deep to swim in.
To me, it's a soundtrack to these certain moods I go through. These works by Satie (best performed by Reinbert de Leeuw) just calm me. Kind of keep me down, but they steady my mood. It makes me mellow. Helps me to cry. And to get over it.
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Reply #4 posted 05/12/05 4:37pm

HamsterHuey

TRON said:

More info please...


Nuf said?

BTW AMG is such a kewl site...

I have been trying to remember the name of Reinbert de Leeuw for ages, but I just could come up with the picture of this album...

AMG helped me find him! I am SO happy now! I have lots of stuff on tape, but long ago lost the jackets.
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Reply #5 posted 05/12/05 4:43pm

TRON

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HamsterHuey said:

BTW AMG is such a kewl site...

Did I hip you to AMG?
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Reply #6 posted 05/12/05 4:43pm

HamsterHuey

Troisième Gnossienne is playing now... after Cinquième Gnossienne I will hit the hay...

mushy
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Reply #7 posted 05/12/05 6:12pm

jn2

It's cool ( I only know "Gymnopédie " => I've heard that it's the name of an antic Greek dance.
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Reply #8 posted 05/12/05 8:58pm

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HamsterHuey said:

Don't we love AMG?

Biography

Erik Satie was an important French composer from the generation of Debussy. Best remembered for several groups of piano pieces, including Trois Gymnopédies (1888), Trois Sarabandes (1887) and Trois Gnossiennes (1890), he was championed by Jean Cocteau and helped create the famous group of French composers, Les Six, which was fashioned after his artistic ideal of simplicity in the extreme. Some have viewed certain of his stylistic traits as components of Impressionism, but his harmonies and melodies have relatively little in common with the characteristics of that school. Much of his music has a subdued character, and its charm comes through in its directness and its lack of allegiance to any one aesthetic. Often his melodies are melancholy and hesitant, his moods exotic or humorous, and his compositions as a whole, or their several constituent episodes, short. He was a musical maverick who probably influenced Debussy and did influence Ravel, who freely acknowledged as much. After Satie's second period of study, he began turning more serious in his compositions, eventually producing his inspiring cantata, Socrate, considered by many his greatest work and clearly demonstrating a previously unexhibited agility. In his last decade he turned out several ballets, including Parade and Relâche, indicating his growing predilection for program and theater music. Satie was also a pianist of some ability.

As a child Erik Satie showed interest in music and began taking piano lessons from a local church organist, named Vinot. While he progressed during this period, he showed no unusual gifts. In 1879 he enrolled in the Paris Conservatory, where he studied under Descombe (piano) and Lavignac (solfeggio), but failed to meet minimum requirements and was expelled in 1882. Satie departed Paris on November 15, 1886, to join the infantry in Arras, but he found military life distasteful and intentionally courted illness to relieve himself of duty. That same year his first works were published: Elégie, Trois Mélodies, and Chanson.

The years following his military service formed a bohemian period in Satie's life, the most significant events of which would be the beginnings of his friendship with Debussy, his exposure to eastern music at the Paris World Exhibition, and his association with a number of philosophical and religious organizations (most notably the Rosicrucian Brotherhood).

In 1905 he decided to resume musical study, enrolling in the conservative and controversial Schola Cantorum, run by Vincent d'Indy. His music took on a more academic and rigorous quality, and also began to exhibit the dry wit that would become hallmarks of his style. Many of his compositions received odd titles, especially after 1910, such as Dried up embryos and Three real flabby preludes (for a dog). Some of his works also featured odd instructions for the performer, not intended to be taken seriously, as in his 1893 piano work, Vexations, which carries the admonition in the score, "To play this motif 840 times in succession, it would be advisable to prepare oneself beforehand, in the deepest silence, by serious immobilities."

In 1925 Satie developed pleurisy and his fragile health worsened. He was taken to St. Joseph Hospital, where he lived on for several months. He received the last rites of the Catholic Church in his final days, and died on July 1, 1925.



You can find two different versions of Gymnopedie in Louis Malle's My Dinner With Andre and Woody Allen's Another Woman. I've always been moved to tears when I hear this lovely and meloncholy movement in both films.
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Reply #9 posted 05/13/05 12:34am

HamsterHuey

Thanks for your reactions, all!

Hey JN! Long time no speak! Spoke about you with Mary Sharon when she was here!

And I did not know the title refers to a dance or that the music was used in a Louis Malle and Woody Allen movie. Seen the first, don't care so much for the Allen-antics, so missed that one.
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Reply #10 posted 05/13/05 2:16am

jn2

Hi jeremy! we'll meet again this century smile
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Reply #11 posted 05/13/05 2:19am

HamsterHuey

jn2 said:

Hi jeremy! we'll meet again this century smile


Yes!
There will be male strippers involved!
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Reply #12 posted 05/13/05 5:57am

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HamsterHuey said:

Thanks for your reactions, all!

Hey JN! Long time no speak! Spoke about you with Mary Sharon when she was here!

And I did not know the title refers to a dance or that the music was used in a Louis Malle and Woody Allen movie. Seen the first, don't care so much for the Allen-antics, so missed that one.



Aah,but think Ingmar Bergman in terms of the mood and tone of Allen's Another Woman. It's completely mesmorizing. wink
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Reply #13 posted 05/13/05 7:37am

CinisterCee

Crazy awesome compositions!
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Reply #14 posted 05/13/05 9:23am

mchotsie

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We're using Gymnopedie in a portion of our wedding ceremony on 10.1.05 biggrin

We love it!
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Reply #15 posted 05/13/05 9:35am

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HamsterHuey said:

This is so immensely beautiful...

If I ever feel in turmoil, this just calms me down.

I can recommned this musical painkiller to anyone.


I played the three Gymnopedies for one of my recitals in college. Great music, very meditative. They are actually ballet warmups (that's what Gymnopedie means). I think Blood Sweat & Tears did some kind of a rendition of Gymnopedie No.1 years ago. Never heard it but I'm told it was fairly popular.
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Reply #16 posted 05/13/05 3:24pm

HamsterHuey

CinisterCee said:

Crazy awesome compositions!


You have got good taste!
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Reply #17 posted 05/13/05 5:12pm

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Satie is of the atonal school, but where Schoenberg to me sounds more clinical, Satie sounds more melodic & musical. I'd like to hear more of him; I may have to check out your recommendation.
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Reply #18 posted 05/14/05 4:17pm

HamsterHuey

andyman91 said:

Satie is of the atonal school, but where Schoenberg to me sounds more clinical, Satie sounds more melodic & musical. I'd like to hear more of him; I may have to check out your recommendation.


These pieces are a good place to start. Try to find works by Reinbert De Leeuw, his renditions ad something to the music as presented on paper.
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Reply #19 posted 05/14/05 4:20pm

sinisterpentat
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thanks for recommeding this! thumbs up! Sounds like i've heard it before, just can't place where it was.
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Reply #20 posted 05/14/05 4:24pm

HamsterHuey

sinisterpentatonic said:

thanks for recommeding this! thumbs up! Sounds like i've heard it before, just can't place where it was.


I myself have had a hard time locating certain classical pieces. Some things you hear and you cannot remember exactly who it was, or who played it.
I do not come from a classical upbringing, so I kind of make it all up as I go along.
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Reply #21 posted 05/17/05 1:26pm

jn2

I recommend you all a track called Valse triste (Sad Waltz ) by Jean Sibelius , it's beautiful - get it you'll thank me later!
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Reply #22 posted 05/17/05 8:31pm

HamsterHuey

jn2 said:

I recommend you all a track called Valse triste (Sad Waltz ) by Jean Sibelius , it's beautiful - get it you'll thank me later!


LoL
Have it already. Good call.
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Reply #23 posted 05/17/05 8:38pm

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HamsterHuey said:

I was just getting into Satie when Lisa Coleman released her piano improvisations as a bonus disc along with the limited edition of Eroica. These four instrumentals got compared to Satie alot, so if you know these works, then you kind of get a picture of the mood of Satie's work.
[note; One of these four Coleman improv's is Minneapolis #1, formerly known as Dream Factory's Visions.]

It's melancholic, but not without ever losing itself in waters that are too deep to swim in.
To me, it's a soundtrack to these certain moods I go through. These works by Satie (best performed by Reinbert de Leeuw) just calm me. Kind of keep me down, but they steady my mood. It makes me mellow. Helps me to cry. And to get over it.



thanks for the tip babe....
Space for sale...
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Reply #24 posted 05/18/05 9:36am

HamsterHuey

sosgemini said:

HamsterHuey said:

It's melancholic, but not without ever losing itself in waters that are too deep to swim in.
To me, it's a soundtrack to these certain moods I go through. These works by Satie (best performed by Reinbert de Leeuw) just calm me. Kind of keep me down, but they steady my mood. It makes me mellow. Helps me to cry. And to get over it.


thanks for the tip babe....


So very welcome. I like to share.
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