CinisterCee said:

Good shit.

Eroticist said:

holla

Eroticist said:

Without hammer, Dre wouldn't of been half as big and the chain of events continues. Anyone pissed off yet?

thesexofit said:

This is true.

thesexofit said:

LMAO!

Eroticist said:

For real though, rap would not be as big without sir wackness Hammer. Think of how it changed MTV, for example.

Although, if this thread scenario had happened... there would be no Purple Rain, hence no "When Doves Cry", therefore..


no "Pray" for Hammer.

CinisterCee said:

Yeah, but he also gave us "parachute pants" so he needs to answer to that! LMAO!

That's hard to say. I would say Michael Jackson would have been more successful because "Off The Wall" was a much bigger album than anything Prince had at the time. On the other hand, Prince would have probably passed Michael because he takes so damn many years to make a new album.

vainandy said:

Right, and see, that's the hard part: Does MJ take a longer time to do albums because he's ALWAYS under the pressure to OUTDO Thriller?

Eroticist said:

Eroticist said:

Then again, how does a person follow-up Purple Rain?

Lionel Richie was already crossing over at the time to the point that it was becoming sickening. He went from being a funkster to damn near a balladeer. I still could deal with a lot of his stuff though.

Never fear, though. As long as Ms. Whitney Houston still brought her tired ass on the scene, those floodgates would have still opened and R&B would still get the chance to be watered down drastically.

Now that's a good point because in the long stretch between "Off The Wall" and "Thriller", he was making albums with his brothers.

jayaredee said:

say it isn't so! jayaredee, say it ain't so!

Cloudbuster said:

taking everything into account, doesn't she already?

Cloudbuster said:

HOMEWRECKER!

I always liked Hammer but after looking at it like that....damn Hammer!

Michael Jackson despite his troubles, has sold approximately 80 million albums worldwide since 1993.

CinisterCee said:

Well, Thriller was WAY BIGGER than PR and we've all seen that MJ has tried to outdo thriller while P has just said "Fuck all yall, I'm doin' what I wanna do" and has constantly put out material ever since.

vainandy said:

Great damn point. Good shit.

Marrk said:

But wasn't half of that Thriller's sales?

Biggest career??? What does it mean??? Selling zillion records??? Does it really matter??? I don't give a damn...

There are many ARTISTS whose music is brilliant though they aren't mainstream.
And I feel sorry for those people who think 'Thriller' is a milestone in popular music...


[Edited 5/9/05 23:55pm]

Cheek said:

you feel sorry for alot of people then.

Cheek said:

For pop music that is trying to be popular, it sure was a success, and a pretty good blueprint for tight pop albums.

Cheek said:

I'm having a problem understanding what constitutes 'Biggest Career' too. agreed on Thriller. OTW is the landmark album for MJ. Musically, it's just better.

Though 'Thriller' used to be credited for saving the industry by having a knock-on effect for everybody elses sales around that time. It wasn't just Prince's brilliance that helped propel Purple Rain's sales. It was post-Thriller and lots of artists benefitted in the mid-eighties, Prince being just one of many.

In that respect 'Thriller' was most definately a landmark album.

CinisterCee said:

You're dead on. MJ would still be a bigger superstar entertainer (but maybe less wacky) and Prince would be the more respected musician (but maybe not have come to believe that even his crappiest songs are pure genius).

andyman91 said:

Thanks man.

BIGGEST CAREER in this case = Total money-earned, Fame, Sales...MJ leads Prince when considering those 3 criteria.

I think Prince would have the biggest career. I think Thriller meant more to MJ's career than Purple Rain did to Prince's career.

But it is awfully hard to discount the impact of "Off The Wall."