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Thread started 05/10/05 8:08am

JANFAN4L

Give it up for (Latin) Freestyle*!

The sound of '80s Freestyle (or "Latin Freestyle" -- its golden era being 1984-1989, tappering off in the first few years of the '90s) may've disappeared off the pop radar in the last decade, but its influence can still be felt in acts today like Frankie J (whose big hit "Obsession" totally jocks Stevie B's '88 classic "I Wanna Be The One" -- from his vocals, the beat, even down to the one-letter-acronym last name), J.Lo, Richard X, Kelis, etc.

It interpolated and infused elements of the sounds that were hot in the inner city in the early- and mid-'80s such as electro, house (... a very close cousin to this genre), hip hop, garage (Freestyle's midtempo sound has a lot to do with blossoming amidst NYC's vibrant garage scene) and, yes, even disco. It was synth-heavy, largely mid-tempo, percolating and electronically-based with 4-on-4 drum machine beats and big (often nasal or high pitched) vocals -- and even bigger hair.

Acts like Exposé, Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam, Corina and Freestyle (whose name became synonymous with the sound) came to typify this sound of urban dance music that rocked in the barrios of major urban centers such as NYC, New Jersey, Philadelphia, L.A., Miami, etc. The genre was like an '80s manifestation of '50s doo wop, in my opinion. They were songs mostly obsessing about innocent teenage love, hearts being crushed into a million pieces, etc.

Stylistically, it falls under the catch-all term dance music, but its more urban than mainstream. Hence, its cult status among admirers. Often times I feel Freestyle doesn't get it's proper due when people look back on the '80s. It was a sound that definitely made noise and racked up hits during its prime.

Some definitive Freestyle gems:
Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - I Wonder If I Take You Home (the definitive Freestyle cut, IMO. Lisa Lisa was like the Diana Ross of the genre)
Freestyle - Party Has Begun
Connie - Rock Me
Seduction - Heartbeat
Sweet Sensation - Hooked On You
Lisette Melendez - Together Forever
Exposé - Point of No Return
Will To Power - Dreamin'
Alisha - Too Turned On
The Jets - Crush On You
Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - Head To Toe
Noel - Silent Morning
Lil Suzy - Take Me In Your Arms
Samantha Fox - Naughty Girls Need Love Too
SaFire - Boy, I've Been Told
Nayobe - Please Don't Go
Cover Girls - Show Me
Pretty Poison - Catch Me (I'm Falling In Love)
Taylor Dayne - Tell It To My Heart
Shannon - Let The Music Play
Debbie Deb - When I Hear Music / Lookout Weekend
Stevie B - I Wanna Be The One
Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - Lost In Emotion

What are some of your favorite freestyle cuts?
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Reply #1 posted 05/10/05 8:21am

sextonseven

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One More Shot - C-Bank
I.O.U. - Freeez
Honey To A Bee - Tina B
Diamond Girl - Nice And Wild
Let Me Be The One - Sa-Fire
Let's Go - Nocera
Change On Me - Cynthia
Sayin' Sorry (Don't Make It Right) - Denise Lopez
Dancing On The Fire - India
Yo No Sé - Pajama Party
Together Forever - Lisette Melendez

I have three 90-minute comps from various 12" singles at home. I could go on and on.
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Reply #2 posted 05/10/05 8:24am

JANFAN4L

sextonseven said:

One More Shot - C-Bank
I.O.U. - Freeez
Honey To A Bee - Tina B
Diamond Girl - Nice And Wild
Let Me Be The One - Sa-Fire
Let's Go - Nocera
Change On Me - Cynthia
Sayin' Sorry (Don't Make It Right) - Denise Lopez
Dancing On The Fire - India
Yo No Sé - Pajama Party
Together Forever - Lisette Melendez

I have three 90-minute comps from various 12" singles at home. I could go on and on.


Ooh, now that's a nice little list. "Let Me Be The One": now there's a song I forgot to add.
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Reply #3 posted 05/10/05 8:42am

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During freestyle's heyday in the late 80s, Latin artists really had a stranglehold on the genre. Non-Latin artists may have borrowed the sound from time to time (are The Jets really considered freestyle?), but the fans (at least in NY) really embraced the Latin artists the most.
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/05 8:52am

CinisterCee

I love these tracks but don't always know when to consider them "Freestyle".
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Reply #5 posted 05/10/05 8:53am

JANFAN4L

sextonseven said:

During freestyle's heyday in the late 80s, Latin artists really had a stranglehold on the genre. Non-Latin artists may have borrowed the sound from time to time (are The Jets really considered freestyle?), but the fans (at least in NY) really embraced the Latin artists the most.


So freestyle was initiated by Latin artists or just popularized and kept alive by Latin artists? I need some insight.

Reason being, blacks started what would later be dubbed "rock 'n' roll" but whites largely usurped it.
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/05 8:57am

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JANFAN4L said:

sextonseven said:

During freestyle's heyday in the late 80s, Latin artists really had a stranglehold on the genre. Non-Latin artists may have borrowed the sound from time to time (are The Jets really considered freestyle?), but the fans (at least in NY) really embraced the Latin artists the most.


So freestyle was initiated by Latin artists or just popularized and kept alive by Latin artists? I need some insight.


Popularized and kept alive. That's why it was initially called 'Latin Hip-Hop'. The genre later came to be known as 'freestyle' because many of the artists didn't like that term. The earliest freestyle tracks were by anyone. I think Freeez were even from England.

There's a great website about all things freestyle here: http://www.jam2dis.com/j2dfmhist1.htm

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Reply #7 posted 05/10/05 9:03am

JANFAN4L

CinisterCee said:

I love these tracks but don't always know when to consider them "Freestyle".


I can usually differentiate a Freestyle cut from, say, an electro tune, but I can see the confusion. Early Freestyle was very electro in its approach. If you put some early Freestyle such as "Don't Stop The Rock" next to Pretty Tony's "Fix It In The Mix" I can see where the lines get blurred.

In retrospect, Freestyle was a movement that took shape during the death knell of b-boying and electro in 1985. B-boying and electro were fading because of commercialization and oversaturation. Breakdancing just got played out at one point. Hip hop, around this time, became more minimalist, ditching its Electro elements, while Freestyle continued to embrace Electro and Garage with a more urban dance pop appeal. This is when you start to see acts like Lisa Lisa and Exposé flourish.
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/05 9:05am

CinisterCee

Really it's the pre-1985 stuff that is hard for me to differentiate from electro to b-boy to club (or is it freestyle?) yknow
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/05 9:09am

CinisterCee

Shannon was Freestyle?

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Reply #10 posted 05/10/05 9:11am

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CinisterCee said:

Shannon was Freestyle?


Her first album is definitely freestyle.
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/05 9:11am

CinisterCee

I associate alot of these cuts with last generation b-boying.
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Reply #12 posted 05/10/05 9:12am

JANFAN4L

CinisterCee said:

Shannon was Freestyle?



She's often categorized as a Freestyle artist, but then again you could say she was electro/R&B or (even more general) dance pop.
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Reply #13 posted 05/10/05 9:12am

CinisterCee

sextonseven said:

CinisterCee said:

Shannon was Freestyle?


Her first album is definitely freestyle.


Yay! biggrin

Now I can stop calling it "uhh 80s disco confuse sorta electro-y"
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/05 9:16am

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CinisterCee said:

sextonseven said:



Her first album is definitely freestyle.


Yay! biggrin

Now I can stop calling it "uhh 80s disco confuse sorta electro-y"


It's one of those roots records--like C-Bank/Jenny Burton and Freeez.
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Reply #15 posted 05/10/05 9:19am

JANFAN4L

sextonseven said:

JANFAN4L said:



So freestyle was initiated by Latin artists or just popularized and kept alive by Latin artists? I need some insight.


Popularized and kept alive. That's why it was initially called 'Latin Hip-Hop'. The genre later came to be known as 'freestyle' because many of the artists didn't like that term. The earliest freestyle tracks were by anyone. I think Freeez were even from England.

There's a great website about all things freestyle here: http://www.jam2dis.com/j2dfmhist1.htm


Oh OK. See, that's why I put the term "Latin" in parentheses because the genre's orgins are debatable. Some may prefer to just call it "Freestyle" because the music may not have been made by Latin artists, but were huge amongst a Latin fanbase.

Case in point, a radio station in L.A. called Power 106 has been trying to latch on and cater to a latino audience for decades. Back in the '80s, all they played were freestyle (or "latin hip hop") cuts. Eventually in the mid-'90s, when L.A.'s latino community got fully enwrapped in deep house, Power 106 followed suit.
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/05 9:25am

CinisterCee

sextonseven said:

CinisterCee said:



Yay! biggrin

Now I can stop calling it "uhh 80s disco confuse sorta electro-y"


It's one of those roots records--like C-Bank/Jenny Burton and Freeez.


Those are the ones I like most.
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Reply #17 posted 05/10/05 4:09pm

JANFAN4L

CinisterCee said:

sextonseven said:



It's one of those roots records--like C-Bank/Jenny Burton and Freeez.


Those are the ones I like most.


You've heard those?
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Reply #18 posted 05/10/05 4:13pm

CinisterCee

JANFAN4L said:

CinisterCee said:



Those are the ones I like most.


You've heard those?


The individual singles, hell yeah
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Reply #19 posted 05/11/05 6:20am

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http://www.prince.org/msg/8/144690


U fools forgot stevie b rival George Lamond. "bad of the heart" "heaven in my hands (freestyle meets gospel) "serenade you" "look into my eyes" "Loves contagious" etc.....
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Reply #20 posted 05/11/05 7:33am

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thesexofit said:

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/144690


U fools forgot stevie b rival George Lamond. "bad of the heart" "heaven in my hands (freestyle meets gospel) "serenade you" "look into my eyes" "Loves contagious" etc.....


George Lamond, like Linear and Lisette Melendez, released his album too late. Freestyle was already dying at the time (although "Bad Of The Heart" was a big hit).
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Reply #21 posted 05/11/05 7:36am

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sextonseven said:

thesexofit said:

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/144690


U fools forgot stevie b rival George Lamond. "bad of the heart" "heaven in my hands (freestyle meets gospel) "serenade you" "look into my eyes" "Loves contagious" etc.....


George Lamond, like Linear and Lisette Melendez, released his album too late. Freestyle was already dying at the time (although "Bad Of The Heart" was a big hit).


HA linear. I got both there albums. Trully is rubbish. Their second album (with non freestyle cut "tlc" was alright though.

Stevie b went very poppy on "love and emotion". And it paid off too.

"bad of the heart" rocks.
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Reply #22 posted 05/12/05 8:54am

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U must see (iam sure most have seen) 1991's "hangin' with the homeboys". I saw this as a kid and loved it. It reminds me of my old area (I was from chicago but alot of latino's lived there)



it perfectly capured the era of 1991. it is not a hood movie though. It's just about 1 night out with 4 guys. It is actually quite sad in some ways. A classic coming of age movie.

Anyone got the soundtrack? It has stevie b's best song "pretty girls". I love that song.
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Reply #23 posted 05/12/05 9:00am

JANFAN4L

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U must see (iam sure most have seen) 1991's "hangin' with the homeboys". I saw this as a kid and loved it. It reminds me of my old area (I was from chicago but alot of latino's lived there)



it perfectly capured the era of 1991. it is not a hood movie though. It's just about 1 night out with 4 guys. It is actually quite sad in some ways. A classic coming of age movie.


nod I bought this movie on DVD Xmas-time last year. They all give winning performances. John was on point in his depiction of a grocery store worker. Some of the dude's best cinematic performances appear in this film.

Funny movie. Great performances!

Anyone got the soundtrack? It has stevie b's best song "pretty girls". I love that song.


I'd like to get it someday.
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Reply #24 posted 05/12/05 8:25pm

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I don't know if The Jets and Alisha qualify as "freestyle".
By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
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