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PrintableCloudbuster said: DavidEye said: Michael might be capable of writing and producing songs alone,but when does he ever do it? These days,he hires dozens of "hot" producers and songwriters to do the job for him.
Yeah, 'cos Madonna never uses co-writers.  Look at the credits to 'American Life' and 'Invincible'.Madonna wrote,or co-wrote EVERY song on her album.There are entire songs on 'Invincible' that Michael didn't have anything to do with. | |
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DavidEye said: Look at the credits to 'American Life' and 'Invincible'.Madonna wrote,or co-wrote EVERY song on her album.There are entire songs on 'Invincible' that Michael didn't have anything to do with.
You mean Butterflies & Cry. Wow! Two songs. Big deal. | |
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Madonna suxx...
On American Life she stried to rap... What a lame ass she was... I hate Michael Jackson and his last album, but Madonna in any way can touch Mike level.... She's the most overrated artist of all time... Face it.... I also do not see anything particularly artisticly creative about Madonna. to me, she´s a great dancer, but with the other stuff, she´s just an average artist. These days,he hires dozens of "hot" producers and songwriters to do the job for him.
Interesting. I´d say THAT about Madonna. Mike has his own style. You always recognise his music, but Madonna´s music and everything changes as the fashion changes. She doesn´t have a particular style or anything. She just loves to SHOCK ppl and calls it "reinvention of herself", but I´d say it´s just PR moves. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Cloudbuster said: DavidEye said: Look at the credits to 'American Life' and 'Invincible'.Madonna wrote,or co-wrote EVERY song on her album.There are entire songs on 'Invincible' that Michael didn't have anything to do with.
You mean Butterflies & Cry. Wow! Two songs. Big deal. Don't forget all the rejected songs written and produced by folks like Lauryn Hill,Missy Elliot,Wyclef Jean,David Foster,The Neptunes and just about every other hitmaker you can name.No wonder his album cost $30 million to make. | |
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take that as a pure question, but how many songs has Madonna rejected? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Madonna wrote,or co-wrote EVERY song on her album.
Did she write any song all by herself since Madonna lp? I need to check the credits sometimes You cant compare a change one lyric get the credit kind of artist
Oh and I take it back it was harsh | |
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If Michael can do so much on his own....why does he have to spend $30 million to make an album?  | |
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DavidEye said: If Michael can do so much on his own....why does he have to spend $30 million to make an album?
Most of it was studio costs, or so I've heard. You'd think with his money he'd have his own studio by now. | |
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Cloudbuster said: DavidEye said: If Michael can do so much on his own....why does he have to spend $30 million to make an album?
Most of it was studio costs, or so I've heard. You'd think with his money he'd have his own studio by now. It was also the fees he had to pay to all those producers and songwriters. | |
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DavidEye said: If Michael can do so much on his own....why does he have to spend $30 million to make an album?
oh stop acting like Invincible is his one and only album (even it had 2 songs written and produced by MJ alone) | |
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Most of it was studio costs, or so I've heard. You'd think with his money he'd have his own studio by now.
I think I read somewhere that he doesn´t wanna have a studio at home, cause he wants to separate his work from his private life, which is probably true, cause otherwise I can´t think of a reason, why he didn´t already have it. As for those credits, those who saw MJ´s mexican deposition in court regarding a suit about him writing The girl is mine, We are the world and Thriller, you´d find out that MJ gives credits pretty much to anyone although those ppl haven´t contributed that much. He said that the only thing that Lional wrote in we are the world is the melody underlining those words - We are the world, we are the children - and THAT IS IT!!! The rest was written by MJ. Harmonies, melody, lyrics, everything else. Or he talked about having written Someone put your hand out (i think it was) and there he said that he wrote it ages ago, had a demo of it adn once just pulled the tape out, played it for Teddy Riley who loved it, changed just one line or something and MJ gave him credit for being a co-writer. But I don´t understand why do you guys think it´s such a terrible record. I listen to it much more often than to Thriller, Prince´s Musicology or Rave albums. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: I think I read somewhere that he doesn´t wanna have a studio at home, cause he wants to separate his work from his private life, which is probably true, cause otherwise I can´t think of a reason, why he didn´t already have it.
As for those credits, those who saw MJ´s mexican deposition in court regarding a suit about him writing The girl is mine, We are the world and Thriller, you´d find out that MJ gives credits pretty much to anyone although those ppl haven´t contributed that much. He said that the only thing that Lional wrote in we are the world is the melody underlining those words - We are the world, we are the children - and THAT IS IT!!! The rest was written by MJ. Harmonies, melody, lyrics, everything else. Or he talked about having written Someone put your hand out (i think it was) and there he said that he wrote it ages ago, had a demo of it adn once just pulled the tape out, played it for Teddy Riley who loved it, changed just one line or something and MJ gave him credit for being a co-writer. He's pretty generous when it comes to co-writing credits. The likes of Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible, You Rock My World, Shout, Privacy, Threatened, etc... sound like MJ songs, but they have up to five or six writers. Yet they probably only offered Mike a few ideas to what were likely almost finished songs. But I don´t understand why do you guys think it´s such a terrible record. I listen to it much more often than to Thriller, Prince´s Musicology or Rave albums.
Which record?  | |
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But I don´t understand why do you guys think it´s such a terrible record. I listen to it much more often than to Thriller, Prince´s Musicology or Rave albums.
Which record? Invincible. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Cloudbuster said: But I don´t understand why do you guys think it´s such a terrible record. I listen to it much more often than to Thriller, Prince´s Musicology or Rave albums.
Which record? Invincible. I love that album. Why people think the likes of Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World and Unbreakable are crap is beyond me. They're some of the best songs he's ever done. Still, you know what it's like around here, folk aren't happy with themselves until they've dissed the boy at least half a dozen times a day.  | |
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Cloudbuster said: dag said: Invincible. I love that album. Why people think the likes of Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World and Unbreakable are crap is beyond me. They're some of the best songs he's ever done. Still, you know what it's like around here, folk aren't happy with themselves until they've dissed the boy at least half a dozen times a day. It's not the most terrible record ever, but it's certainly MJ's weakest and in the day and age of 2001, it just sounded totally dated, IMO. Not to mention most of the music was of-the-moment stuff (at least during production), the lyrics were simplistic and premature, the bulk of the subject matter we had already heard dozens of times before, and "Break Of Dawn"... pfft, he can't fool me. 
However, if I must pull out a few pros from under my sleeve, there ARE some good hooks throughout, "Butterflies" is a heavenly slice of nu-soul, "Whatever Happens" has a very nice Latin flavor, and MJ's voice is always, for the most part, in fine form (despite what I'd call an overdose of the same old grunts and mannerisms and sounding like he has a damn cold on "WH"  ). | |
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Michael will be back bigger than ever after the trial's over...just wait & see! | |
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deeplove said: Michael will be back bigger than ever after the trial's over...just wait & see!
From prison? I doubt that. Desire, it covers our faces
It happens in curious places Your body, it covers my tower Ecstasy is ours | |
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Cloudbuster said: dag said: Invincible. I love that album. Why people think the likes of Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World and Unbreakable are crap is beyond me. They're some of the best songs he's ever done. Still, you know what it's like around here, folk aren't happy with themselves until they've dissed the boy at least half a dozen times a day. SUCKKKKKED! | |
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