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STEVIE the victim of the "industry" Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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you'd think that Motown would be rushing to get this out. I haven't really kept up with who's on their roster or what kind of business they do anymore, but from what little bit I'm aware, you'd think they'd be glad to have ANYTHING to put out with some name-recognition. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Well, i.e. a Christmas release is a far better choice for a "safe house-hold name", like how Stevie Wonder is viewd today.
His own fault though. I'd love to have another "Secret Life of Plants", but you just had to make "The Woman In Red" & "In Square Circle" and whatthehellwasthatrecordwiththemichaeljacksoncollaborationonitcalled, didn't you? Unless Stevie records his own "1.Outside" there's no coming back to different markets. | |
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lastdecember said: Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future.
The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... |
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lastdecember said: Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future.
I couldn't agree more but leaving Motown can also be a huge risk and he probaly knows that. I was looking forward to this album. Motown sucks! | |
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I wish that Stevie would just leave Motown as he did
in the early 70's when he took his own money 2 create his music of his mind.He don't need them tight ass suits that run Motown these days. /peace Manki | |
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The non-release of Stevie's CD has a serious
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krayzie said: lastdecember said: Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future.
The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... "Conversation Peace"(1995) - RIAA certified Gold in 1995 - 2 Grammys "Song Review" - 2 cd greatest hits - 1996 - RIAA Certified Platinum "At The Close Of a Century" - 1999 - 4cd box set - RIAA - GOLD You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We'll see. I disagree with this statement. Stevie's fans are all over. We will soon see that. We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Songs In The Key Of Life - RIAA certfied with a Diamond award in 2004 -Over 10 million copies sold. Stay Tuned!! | |
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manray10 said: krayzie said: The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... "Conversation Peace"(1995) - RIAA certified Gold in 1995 - 2 Grammys "Song Review" - 2 cd greatest hits - 1996 - RIAA Certified Platinum "At The Close Of a Century" - 1999 - 4cd box set - RIAA - GOLD You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We'll see. I disagree with this statement. Stevie's fans are all over. We will soon see that. We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Songs In The Key Of Life - RIAA certfied with a Diamond award in 2004 -Over 10 million copies sold. Stay Tuned!! You CAN'T compare Songs In The Key Of Life and Purple rain... Purple rain was BIG in 1984 (13 millions sold in one year), like Thriller .... It was the bomb... Everybody remember this album... I know what I'm talking I'm a big fan of Stevie.... |
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You CAN'T compare Songs In The Key Of Life and Purple rain...
you can compare Songs with SOTT. | |
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manray10 said: krayzie said: The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... "Conversation Peace"(1995) - RIAA certified Gold in 1995 - 2 Grammys "Song Review" - 2 cd greatest hits - 1996 - RIAA Certified Platinum "At The Close Of a Century" - 1999 - 4cd box set - RIAA - GOLD You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We'll see. I disagree with this statement. Stevie's fans are all over. We will soon see that. We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Songs In The Key Of Life - RIAA certfied with a Diamond award in 2004 -Over 10 million copies sold. Stay Tuned!! But "Songs..." is his "Purple Rain". I don't think everyone has "Purple Rain" CD (or "Songs.." for that matter) but I think nearly everyone is aware of them. A lot of hits (heavily sampled hits), is his biggest album and an impact on music....I think it was huge and I still don't own it. Maybe not "Purple Rain" but I think discounting his career and how commerical it has been is crazy! | |
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I've checked the weekend ads and they all say that 'A Time To Love' will be released,as planned,on Tuesday May 3.In fact,Media Play is selling it for only $8.99  | |
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lastdecember said: Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future.
What really pisses me off is that...there are MANY other artists who are "well past their prime" and yet they're allowed to release new albums whenever they choose.Elton John's recent albums aren't blockbusters but you don't see HIS record label rejecting/delaying his work...Don Henley is always able to release a new album with no problem....Sting,Annie Lennox,Bob Dylan....these are all legendary artists who are no longer dominating the charts and selling millions of albums,and yet their record labels still support them regardless,and the bosses in charge are not overly concerned about whether or not they are "relevent" to today's music scene.Motown is dogging Stevie! | |
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krayzie said: manray10 said: Songs In The Key Of Life - RIAA certfied with a Diamond award in 2004 -Over 10 million copies sold. Stay Tuned!! You CAN'T compare Songs In The Key Of Life and Purple rain... Purple rain was BIG in 1984 (13 millions sold in one year), like Thriller .... It was the bomb... Everybody remember this album... I know what I'm talking I'm a big fan of Stevie.... and you're saying that nobody remembers 'SITKOL'?  | |
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krayzie said: lastdecember said: Well Im sure U all are aware that TIME2LOVE has been bumped from release, and right now does not have a planned release date. I talked to someone at the Label and someone that i know that writes an article for VIBE. Basically the LABEL is worried about how this CD will perform, they are banking on RAY CHARLES type numbers. Heres the problem with that.....Stevie isnt Dead, lets face it, as GREAT as Ray is, the Movie and the CD sold of his Death, so why Bank on an Event as PRINCE would say. I cant believe that a label is applying this standard to someone like STEVIE, i mean he is beyond legend, Stevie shouldnt have to worry about Soundscan and Chart positions. Stevie should do his best to Walk away from Motown and Work on his own, I mean the time has come for Stevie to be free, as was Prince's time to create his own future.
The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Your logic is ridiculous 
300,000 copies is not that impressive,but how many copies did Prince's recent albums sell? 'Rave' and 'The Rainbow Children' were not big-selling albums,and yet Prince was stil able to make a comeback with 'Musicology'.Stevie is just as likely as Prince to make a huge comeback.Pop music is unpredictable.In the mid-90s,Carlos Santana was considered a has-been.Then,in 1999,he releases an album that sells 25 million copies.How dare you suggest that Stevie is incapable of something like this. | |
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DavidEye said: krayzie said: The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Your logic is ridiculous
300,000 copies is not that impressive,but how many copies did Prince's recent albums sell? 'Rave' and 'The Rainbow Children' were not big-selling albums,and yet Prince was stil able to make a comeback with 'Musicology'.Stevie is just as likely as Prince to make a huge comeback.Pop music is unpredictable.In the mid-90s,Carlos Santana was considered a has-been.Then,in 1999,he releases an album that sells 25 million copies.How dare you suggest that Stevie is incapable of something like this. Spot on. I was going to touch on this, but you hit that on the head, DavidEye. You cannot discount an artist, namely a legend, in the pop-music world, especially just off the grounds of selling a mere 300,000 copies. That's no huge groundbreaking record, but it's nothing to sneeze at. Those numbers alone state there is still a plausible interest in his music. I am MrVictor.... | |
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DavidEye said: krayzie said: The last album of Stevie was a big failure (only 300 000 albums sold)... You know, Stevie can't make a big come back like Prince, because the Stevie audience is not as wide and the Stevie fans are old now... We got to face it... Plus Prince has played a lot on the 20th anniversary of Purple Rain last year and the hype around that... Stevie can't do that because he doesn't have any album as comercially successfull as Purple RAin to be reminded.... Your logic is ridiculous
300,000 copies is not that impressive,but how many copies did Prince's recent albums sell? 'Rave' and 'The Rainbow Children' were not big-selling albums,and yet Prince was stil able to make a comeback with 'Musicology'.Stevie is just as likely as Prince to make a huge comeback.Pop music is unpredictable.In the mid-90s,Carlos Santana was considered a has-been.Then,in 1999,he releases an album that sells 25 million copies.How dare you suggest that Stevie is incapable of something like this. I'm a big Stevie fan, I dream of a big comeback... But right now it seems to be very difficult... Prince did it, because of Purple Rain and all the hype around the 20th anniversary... Stevie it's way different, his audience isn't as BIG as Prince audience, FACE IT... Santana made a BIG comeback because he collaborated with the hottest producers.... Stevie sill have the magic to release an excellent album, but I really don't think that it will be a commercial success like Prince's Musicology... Of course I hope I'm wrong... |
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DavidEye said: I've checked the weekend ads and they all say that 'A Time To Love' will be released,as planned,on Tuesday May 3.In fact,Media Play is selling it for only $8.99
David, read the fine print...."dates are subject to change....". | |
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krayzie said: DavidEye said: Your logic is ridiculous
300,000 copies is not that impressive,but how many copies did Prince's recent albums sell? 'Rave' and 'The Rainbow Children' were not big-selling albums,and yet Prince was stil able to make a comeback with 'Musicology'.Stevie is just as likely as Prince to make a huge comeback.Pop music is unpredictable.In the mid-90s,Carlos Santana was considered a has-been.Then,in 1999,he releases an album that sells 25 million copies.How dare you suggest that Stevie is incapable of something like this. I'm a big Stevie fan, I dream of a big comeback... But right now it seems to be very difficult... Prince did it, because of Purple Rain and all the hype around the 20th anniversary... Stevie it's way different, his audience isn't as BIG as Prince audience, FACE IT... Santana made a BIG comeback because he collaborated with the hottest producers.... Stevie sill have the magic to release an excellent album, but I really don't think that it will be a commercial success like Prince's Musicology... Of course I hope I'm wrong... I think whatever happens with the release date, it will have good numbers just based on Ray Charles. I don't think he has the Prince fanbase, but who knew Ray would have such a big hit. I don't think the public will let Stevie kind of vanish and then become a hit in his death like Ray did. I expect it to sell really well. Probably better than the last and I would consider that a success. Maybe, maybe one million. | |
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