although im no expert on this subject, some of what you guys are saying is just dumb. so if a black wants a different hair colour or they want a nose job their trying to be white? maybe its just the fact that they wanna try different hair colours or that blonde looks better on them. and the case with michael jackson and his nose, someone has said this before but maybe its just a case of him just not liking his nose, not a case of not liking his race. its seems a bit unfair that if a black person dyes their hair or has a nose job their automatically 'trying to be white'. so its ok for a white person to dye their hair darker or black, or get a nose job and change their features but its not ok for black people?
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It's not unfair, it's the cold-blooded truth. You don't see white folks destroying their natural features to look 'more African'. But some mixed-up black folks have bought into that whole 'dark is bad' mentality. No black person with an ounce of self-respect would lighten their skin(Michael Jackson is a disgrace), dye their hair or wear blue contact lenses. It looks stupid anyway.

I say stop listening to Madison Avenue, wake the f--- up and be proud of who you are. Black is beautiful.

hellomoto said:

Where the white girls tryin 2 nap up their hair to look a lil' more black?

In my opinion we already have the best hairstyles, these female role-models for young black girls need step up and show that u dont have to be ashamed because u dont have "long luxurious hair" or be "lightskinned"....I remember feeling so good when i heard a little girl singing "I'm not your average girl from your video..."

UptownNY hit the nail on the head man, u are totally right.

well lots of white people curl their hair, dye it dark and wear tans, does that mean there trying to be black?

hellomoto said:

Come on I mean really try to look like a black girl i.e. look, put ghetto styled braids in their hair and all with the hoop earrings? Just an example.

uPtoWnNY said:

1. You would be surprise how often I've seen some white women (ages 16-25 at least) in the dirty south that actually have booties like black women today!!!

2. I like Kylie Minogue. But have you notice her new lips lately? Botox or not, she has black woman size lips now!

3. I like Angelina Jolie. She's a natural beauty in a psychosexy sort of way. But sometimes I wonder if she has a few black ancestors from at least 4 generations back or if she's on the bolox once in a while!

4. And lets not forget about Britney Spears when she already developing beautiful black women-like curbs during her teens years (even if the breasts were natural or paid for).

I'll keep you posted if I notice any further examples.
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paisleypark4 said:

christina aguilera

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hellomoto said:

Christina is a latina that could go either way.

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TonyVanDam said:

Lina and Malina Beauty Salon (Mad TV) perfect example

Xavier23, you make SOME good points but you're taking it a little far in some instances IMO Some of this is just fashion: I can forgive a hair weave b/c so many people of all races wear them, they just don't get tagged for it like Black women do As for the blonde hair you have to go a few steps beyond hair dye to be in the "wanna be white" category IMO (contacts, makeup that's too light, nose jobs especially when drastic). But of course there are folks clearly trying to emulate "whiteness", like Lil' Kim for example...



What do you mean by "light makeup"? I think she (and Christina Milian, Tyra) are wearing makeup shades appropriate for their skin tone, it's not far off from the skin on their arms/chest, etc. Maybe you're talking about the way the light is bouncing off their faces? Everyone's into the "glow" thing these past few years so there's a lot of light reflection, may make them appear lighter in the face. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "light makeup" - am I missing something here?

uPtoWnNY said:

I disagree that ALL Black people who have nose jobs automatically want to be White. Take Patti LaBelle for example:


BEFORE:



AFTER:



I really don't think Patti is trying to be White. She doesn't look like she's trying to BE someone else, her nose is still a Black nose.

Of course I don't have many examples of this b/c too many people go to extremes LL didn't change his nose too much but I still wonder why he felt the need to do it

And as far as "no self respecting Black person would... dye their hair" that's just dumb Not nearly enough criteria to classify someone as wanting to be White, come on now The contacts I agree with, the skin lightening is fucking certifiable, but hair dye (to me) CAN BE a fashion thing, not automatically an identity thing.

TonyVanDam said:

Umm, how can they help that?? Unless they're getting ass implants they can't help what they're born with



It's not that no one on the planet can have full lips except Black people BUT when there is a White chick out w/ full lips (natural or purchased) people make a big deal out of it like it's something new Then they covet it & every White woman in America's GOTTA HAVE IT!!! It's the dumbest shit ever. How do you go from making fun of Black people's lips for hundreds of years then turn around & want the shit for yourself once you see one of your own with it?!

The shit is amazing, like Jennifer Lopez & the ass thing. Granted, she's not White but she's accepted by the masses as if she is. They act like her ass is a revolution PLEEZE, Black woman have had the exact same ass since the beginning of time. But NOW it's cool 'cause some non-singing broad made a movie w/ George Clooney



First off, it's "curves" Second, Black women don't have a patent on great bodies

Y'all take stuff to extremes, blowing shit out of proportion so nobody pays attention to any of it Whatever, maybe I'm too lenient, but I don't think so




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CalhounSq said:[quote]

TonyVanDam said:

I'm from the Dirty South USA. As a very single man, I can honestly tell you that in the dating scene today (at least in my regional area), the rules has change.

All I do is sit quietly, watch, and observe.

I'm not taking anything to extremes. I'm keeping real by tell you the truth.

And in our reality, there is a lot of sexy women out here! And they all have the curves!!

I just being honest.

BTW, pardon me for saying "curbs" instead of "curves".
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Xavier23 said:

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CalhounSq said:

Thank You Calhoun for injecting you voice of reason.

CalhounSq said:[quote]

TonyVanDam said:

CalhounSq said:

Well, I grew up during the 60s, when "Black Power", "Black is Beautiful" & "Say it Loud..." was the thing. So I'm harsher than most when it comes to subjects like this. I just feel trying to attain someone else's standard of beauty is foolish, and looks ridiculous. Some of these black celebrities don't know what time it is.

uPtoWnNY said:

And we forgaot her...

Today an artist looking like NINA SIMONE (an OUTSTANDING singer and piano player) would never have a career, because she's too black...
She doesn't have the today's beauty...



People want only very lightskinned black artist on tv... Even if the majority of black women in USA doesn't look like that...


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krayzie said:

I rest my case. Just sad.

krayzie said:

Indeed, she is lost soul with issues. I don't have problem with hair color and all but all that damn plastic sugery is too damn extreme .

paisleypark4 said:

.....and by the way, this is something else that i've thought about. Alicia Keys and India Arie are probably equally talented (though I do prefer Alicia's music). When they were in the same categories a couple of years ago at the Grammy's, Alicia racked up and still continues to do better than India. Do you think her complection might have something to do with that?

dancerella said:

Of course it does India is a better singer but doesn't get the props she deserves. Alicia's songs have more pop appeal partly because she's what they call "the whole package" - she sings AND she looks like what they wanna see... plus she's half White, what a coup!!

uPtoWnNY said:

Ain't nobody forgot about that broad Like I said, down the MJ path she goes. I didn't have a problem w/ Kim until she started going overboard. A weave is one thing, but a blonde weave makes me go & a weave (blonde or not) with contacts make me go & so on...

You can't stack a weave on top of blonde hair on top of colored contacts on top of a nose job on top of skin lightening!!! YOU JUST CANT if you have ANY love for yourself & who you are

krayzie said:

She could have a career, she'd just NEVER blow up like Keys & Beyonce

Hotlegs said:

CalhounSq said:

The piano won me over. I'm a sucker for a woman playing the piano: Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, Nellie McKay, etc. I'd probably be into India Arie more if her music was piano-based instead of guitar-based.

sextonseven said:

That's cool. But in your opinion has India achieved the same amount of success as, say, Alanis Morrisette? In terms of the publicity she gets, the support from her fan base, etc? I don't think she has. There can be any number of reasons for this but I think across the board it's not b/c she plays the guitar vs. piano