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PrintableVoicesCarry said: OdysseyMiles said: Absolutely not.
Many things have happened to this man that he could not help, but he has chosen to deal with his life his own way. We can't assume that every experience is an extension of one's childhood. Much of it is a direct result of harmful decisions made by the individual. I don't feel sorry for him, but I hope he can pull himself together, for his own sake and for the sake of his family. Yeah, it's called Taking Responsibility For Yourself And Your Life. Gotta start one day. If you don't, you wind up like Michael. There are people who endure unparalleled abuse during their childhood and come out of it and make something of themselves and don't use their past as an excuse to justify the present. These are the people I admire. And they certainly have a lot more shit to deal with than Michael ever did. I feel you. There's always someone out there who's had it worse. Hopefully Michael doesn't feel so sorry for himself that it prevents him from changing his life. He seriously needs to make some adjustments. | |
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I don't feel sorry for MJ. I agree with Davideye that he's brought most of his problems on himself with his weird behaviour. I also know he had a strange childhood and things were not as they seemed, but many people have had tough childhoods and they don't do weird things like he has.
I think the family that is accussing him this time are a bunch of liers and I wouldn't believe a god damn word any of them say on the stand, but that doesn't mean MJ hasn't done some inappropriate things in the past with this boy and others. I've lost interest in MJ and the Jackson's in general. Janet hasn't made any decent music in years, she seems only concerned with showing off her breasts and telling us how horny she is. The others never interested me at all. Whatever the outcome, MJ needs some serious therapy and a long time away from the media and spotlight. Someone needs to help him become a real person, living in the real world! | |
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So much compassion here.  | |
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Cloudbuster said: So much compassion here.
I think we feel compassion only for those who need it. | |
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Cloudbuster said: So much compassion here.
Don't take it personally CB. Michael could've had the world in the palm of his hands for his entire life had he been smarter and more in tune with reality. I listened to Off the Wall the other day and it made me sad to think of what's become of him. I seriously hope he gets some help regardless of the outcome of this crazy trial. | |
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it was a poor choice not to address such a visible disease.
The trouble is that he has addressed it and NOBODY cares. Still today I hear shit on CNN like, Michael Jackson getting out of car, man holding umbrella for him, but it´s been sunny day in California as you can see, but hey MJ does things his way..... As for plastis surgery, why aren´t ppl calling Pamela Anderson and Cher mentally ill for their plastic surgery? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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kisscamille said: Don't take it personally CB. Michael could've had the world in the palm of his hands for his entire life had he been smarter and more in tune with reality. I listened to Off the Wall the other day and it made me sad to think of what's become of him. I seriously hope he gets some help regardless of the outcome of this crazy trial.
I'm not really taking it personally. It's just obvious to me that there's a sadness about Michael that's tied to his past. And not everyone deals with their troubles in the same way. Therapy doesn't always solve the problems that folk have had to deal with in life. It can help, I'm not disputing that, but sometimes one is still left feeling slightly out of touch and different. I believe that will always be the case for Mike. He had an extraordinary difficult childhood (that no child deserves) which resulted in the figure we see today. I'm not saying he's damaged beyond repair, but I do think he's damaged beyond complete repair. And because of that I think the man deserves some amount of sympathy. | |
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I don´t get it guys, why you think MJ´sn ot handling his life well. Look at Whitney! Look at Elvis! Look at Marilyn! Look at Ozzy Osbourne! Look at Janis Joplin! Look at Judy Garland§ Now tell me what the hell was those ppl´s problem that they ended the way they did and none of them had to go through half of the shit MJ´s been through. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: it was a poor choice not to address such a visible disease.
The trouble is that he has addressed it and NOBODY cares. Still today I hear shit on CNN like, Michael Jackson getting out of car, man holding umbrella for him, but it´s been sunny day in California as you can see, but hey MJ does things his way..... As for plastis surgery, why aren´t ppl calling Pamela Anderson and Cher mentally ill for their plastic surgery? I think he should have addressed it from the very beginning when he realized it was spreading beyond the hidden places. What did he think people would think when he just gradually kept getting lighter and lighter? That we wouldn't notice or wouldn't comment? The Bad album cover was a shock but there was still at least a hint of bronze but the Black or White video was a doozy. That combined with the fact with the surgery to alter his features and the fact that he hasn't worn his hair natural in decades might lead some to believe he has a problem with his being a black man. When he addressed his skin disorder during the Oprah interview he was rather vague. That I can recall he didn't call it vitiligo or any other medical term, he didn't show the blotches and he said he'd never heard of bleaching cream which is hard to believe being that he grew up in 60s and 70s and has had quite a bit of exposure to the world. People are cruel and had a hard time believing him at that point. You can't tell people what to think or believe but I think he may have had a better shot at understanding instead of ridicule. I don't think any celebrity wants to disclose info on a disease or disorder or even an addiction but when it becomes evident that something's amiss they have to make a choice. [Edited 4/20/05 8:11am] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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I think he should have addressed it from the very beginning when he realized it was spreading beyond the hidden places. What did he think people would think when he just gradually kept getting lighter and lighter? That we wouldn't notice or wouldn't comment? The Bad album cover was a shock but there was still at least a hint of bronze but the Black or White was a doozy. That combined with the fact with the surgery to alter his features and the fact that he hasn't worn his hair natural in decades might lead some to believe he has a problem with his being a black man. When he addressed it during the Oprah interview he was rather vague.
That I can recall he didn't call it vitiligo or any other medical term, he didn't show the blotches and he said he'd never heard of bleaching cream which is hard to believe being that he grew up in 60s and 70s and has had quite a bit of exposure to the world. People are cruel and had a hard time believing him at that point. You can't tell people what to think or believe but I think he may have had a better shot at understanding instead of ridicule. I don't think any celebrity wants to disclose info on a disease or disorder or even an addiction but when it becomes evident that something's amiss they have to make a choice. I know what you mean, but maybe he didn´t know that it would spread that much. Maybe he hoped, he´d stay dark a bit. Don´t know. You can tell it wasn´t easy for him to talk about it. I don´t know. The problem though is now that he SAID he has it and it´s being ignored and made fun of, which I find really cruel. But c´mon why should he show it to us. I mean when a woman has a breast cancer and they take it away, would you want her to show it too? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: I don´t get it guys, why you think MJ´sn ot handling his life well. Look at Whitney! Look at Elvis! Look at Marilyn! Look at Ozzy Osbourne! Look at Janis Joplin! Look at Judy Garland§ Now tell me what the hell was those ppl´s problem that they ended the way they did and none of them had to go through half of the shit MJ´s been through.
 BULLSHIT, Dag. Sometimes I think you believe Michael's the only one who's had to go through shit in life. It never ceases to amaze me.
Just look at a few of the people you cited: -Judy was being fed DRUGS by the studio as a child, on top of being a stage act driven by a nutso mother from the time she was THREE. -Marilyn's mother was literally nuts, and she was sexually abused in multiple foster homes during her childhood. Get fuckin' real. Michael's experience pales in comparison to some of the child acts from the 30's and 40's. Now some of the people on your list are complete fuckups, such as Whitney, and I ain't going to cut them any slack, either. | |
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dag said: I think he should have addressed it from the very beginning when he realized it was spreading beyond the hidden places. What did he think people would think when he just gradually kept getting lighter and lighter? That we wouldn't notice or wouldn't comment? The Bad album cover was a shock but there was still at least a hint of bronze but the Black or White was a doozy. That combined with the fact with the surgery to alter his features and the fact that he hasn't worn his hair natural in decades might lead some to believe he has a problem with his being a black man. When he addressed it during the Oprah interview he was rather vague.
That I can recall he didn't call it vitiligo or any other medical term, he didn't show the blotches and he said he'd never heard of bleaching cream which is hard to believe being that he grew up in 60s and 70s and has had quite a bit of exposure to the world. People are cruel and had a hard time believing him at that point. You can't tell people what to think or believe but I think he may have had a better shot at understanding instead of ridicule. I don't think any celebrity wants to disclose info on a disease or disorder or even an addiction but when it becomes evident that something's amiss they have to make a choice. I know what you mean, but maybe he didn´t know that it would spread that much. Maybe he hoped, he´d stay dark a bit. Don´t know. You can tell it wasn´t easy for him to talk about it. I don´t know. The problem though is now that he SAID he has it and it´s being ignored and made fun of, which I find really cruel. But c´mon why should he show it to us. I mean when a woman has a breast cancer and they take it away, would you want her to show it too? Um, breast cancer is a lot different from having your nose shaved off voluntarily. Michael the victim, yet again. And, ya know, it would have been nice had he actually become a spokesperson for the disease. I have no idea why he chose to be embarrassed about it if it's actually true. WHY? He could have done a hell of a lot of good. [Edited 4/20/05 8:20am] | |
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We all have to live our path in life, MJ is just living his.
I've known what's wrong with Michael for years, but I would never say it in public, you have to look beyond his physical abuse and come to understand what Disney and Peter Pan really are. | |
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I do somewhat. I think some of the stuff he brings on himself-the plastic surgery, putting himself in the position to be accused again, and being So FRICKIN STUBBORN. I think that we really don't have the right to judge. None of us knows Michael, everyone here knows who he is but doesn't really know know him. Michael is different and always has been. How do expect someone to be normal when they have grown up in that kind of environment? I think he should talk to a counselor about his feelings about not having a childhood. I have been going to a counselor to talk about when I was molested and it has really been helping me heal from being molested. Michael is the most famous person in the world and everyone follows his every move. I also think that there is a double standard when it comes to Michael. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I hate when people say he's crazy because he had a lot of plastic surgery well Cher has had a lot..does that make her crazy? It says that it is not ok for black people to get plastic surgery. A lot of stuff Michael does, gets blown out of proportion. | |
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dag said: Look at Marilyn! Look at Judy Garland
both "experiments" like Michael. [Edited 4/20/05 8:29am] | |
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lilgish said: I've known what's wrong with Michael for years, but I would never say it in public, you have to look beyond his physical abuse and come to understand what Disney and Peter Pan really are.
 which is what | |
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lilgish said: We all have to live our path in life, MJ is just living his.
I've known what's wrong with Michael for years, but I would never say it in public, you have to look beyond his physical abuse and come to understand what Disney and Peter Pan really are. as a thinking man, i must call attention to the fact that there is much truth to what lilgish posted as an adult dealing with the aftermath of molestation, it's hard to extend sympathy posture your mandables towards the sky
and oscilate them in an apathetic manner throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care | |
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CinisterCee said: lilgish said: I've known what's wrong with Michael for years, but I would never say it in public, you have to look beyond his physical abuse and come to understand what Disney and Peter Pan really are.
which is whatDo your home work, it's enough I put Russel on blast. Someone like Michael is not an accident, belive me, examine the Dangerous cover..examine the "celebrities" in his life. Why I believe he had to change his face. | |
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lilgish said: CinisterCee said: which is whatDo your home work, it's enough I put Russel on blast. Someone like Michael is not an accident, belive me, examine the Dangerous cover..examine the "celebrities" in his life. Why I believe he had to change his face. Does it have something to do with Liz Taylor, Diana Ross and Bubbles the chimp? ORGNOTE ME | |
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ok, from what i can gather, MJ wants to look like Peter Pan. At least the disney version, hence his pointed nose like Disney's Peter Pan.
But Peter Pan never molested kids, though he did fly with them. The video for "Childhood" is so inspired by peter pan | |
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jayaredee said: ok, from what i can gather, MJ wants to look like Peter Pan. At least the disney version, hence his pointed nose like Disney's Peter Pan.
But Peter Pan never molested kids, though he did fly with them. The video for "Childhood" is so inspired by peter pan Do you know that Peter Pan really means DICK GOD. | |
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jayaredee said: But Peter Pan never molested kids...
And maybe Mike never did, either. Try and keep an open mind, man.  | |
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lilgish said: CinisterCee said: which is whatDo your home work, it's enough I put Russel on blast. Someone like Michael is not an accident, belive me, examine the Dangerous cover..examine the "celebrities" in his life. Why I believe he had to change his face.
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dag said: But c´mon why should he show it to us. I mean when a woman has a breast cancer and they take it away, would you want her to show it too?
Breast cancer is one of the leading causes of death in women and they just don't take it away. If a biopsy isn't sufficient many suffer mastectomies or double mastectomies. Anyone who can't imagine what that looks like should check out books, web sites, and networks that covers the trauma of breast cancer and reconstruction process. Last I heard vitiligo effects 1% of the world's population. Most still don't know what it is or what it looks like. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Man this thread is funny.
anyway JM Barrie, the author of "peter pan" MIGHT of been a child molester. Has Mike read the original book? I have. Quite different from the disney film. Peter is actually quite depressed that he never did grow up. So proberly Mike has read the book then. Mike doesn't like who he is. I feel he never ever has. Mike is also hyper sensitive. Alot more the his brothers and proberly more then people like Judy and Liza Minillli. [Edited 4/20/05 9:39am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: lilgish said: Do your home work, it's enough I put Russel on blast. Someone like Michael is not an accident, belive me, examine the Dangerous cover..examine the "celebrities" in his life. Why I believe he had to change his face.
And you probably don’t believe Janet didn’t have a baby either
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I feel very sorry and sad for him. He's had a pretty rough childhood, plus being in the public eye from such an early age. It's no wonder why he's a bit "weird". I can't imagine what it must have been like for him growing up the way he did. However in his adult life, I think he's brought certain things on himself. I've heard that he created an imagine for himself as being eccentric but it's gone beyond that. All the plastic surgery and lightening his skin. Seems like he's ashamed of who he is. I still doubt he has ever molested any kids but his behaviour is inappropriate to say the least. It's very sad to see how much he has fallen. I think it's tragic. | |
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DavidEye said: My gut feelings tell me that Mike will survive these latest charges,but the question remains....what happens next? Is he finally gonna get help and deal with his problems once and for all? Will the sleepovers continue? Will he still continue to cling to his childhood? Will he be accused of molesting a child in the future? Seriously,unless he finally gets help,he will be in trouble again.
I think that after this lawsuit, after his innocence will be proven ( yes I think he's innocent now), he should tell the truth about his kids and stop this silly masks circus. | |
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0V3RF13ND said: lilgish said: We all have to live our path in life, MJ is just living his.
I've known what's wrong with Michael for years, but I would never say it in public, you have to look beyond his physical abuse and come to understand what Disney and Peter Pan really are. as a thinking man, i must call attention to the fact that there is much truth to what lilgish posted as an adult dealing with the aftermath of molestation, it's hard to extend sympathy Live and sin, ten years ago on this day My heart was yearning I promised I would never be returning Where my baby broke my heart And left me yearning As we walked into the room There were faces starring, Glaring, tearing through me Someone said welcome to your doom Then they smiled with eyes, that looked as if they knew me. This is scaring me! We walked up the stairs Still concealing gloom There were two girls sitting in my room She walked up to my face And said this is the place, You said meet you right here at noon Chorus: This is Heartbreak hotel Welcome to Heartbreak hotel Hope is dead. She thought that I had cheated for another lover I turn my back to see that I’m undercover Now I can’t convince this girl there ain’t no other Someone’s evil to hurt my soul Every smile’s a trial thought in beguile to hurt me Then the man next door had told He’s been here in tears for fifteen years This is scaring me! Bridge: We came to this place, where the vicious dwell And found that wicked women Run this strange hotel There was Sefra and Sue, Every girl that I knew And my baby said love is through [Edited 4/20/05 10:27am] | |
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lilgish said: 0V3RF13ND said: as a thinking man, i must call attention to the fact that there is much truth to what lilgish posted as an adult dealing with the aftermath of molestation, it's hard to extend sympathy Live and sin, ten years ago on this day My heart was yearning I promised I would never be returning Where my baby broke my heart And left me yearning As we walked into the room There were faces starring, Glaring, tearing through me Someone said welcome to your doom Then they smiled with eyes, that looked as if they knew me. This is scaring me! We walked up the stairs Still concealing gloom There were two girls sitting in my room She walked up to my face And said this is the place, You said meet you right here at noon Chorus: This is Heartbreak hotel Welcome to Heartbreak hotel Hope is dead. She thought that I had cheated for another lover I turn my back to see that I’m undercover Now I can’t convince this girl there ain’t no other Someone’s evil to hurt my soul Every smile’s a trial thought in beguile to hurt me Then the man next door had told He’s been here in tears for fifteen years This is scaring me! Bridge: We came to this place, where the vicious dwell And found that wicked women Run this strange hotel There was Sefra and Sue, Every girl that I knew And my baby said love is through [Edited 4/20/05 10:27am] It sounds like a story of him fucking 2 groupies, am i missing something? | |
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