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funkyslsistah

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Music today vs. the yesteryears

These questions have been on my mind, and I wanted to toss them out to the music fanatics and casual listeners, and find out your views on music. It's not meant to turn into a major debate over who listens to what or who has ruined music.


1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?


2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?


6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?
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Reply #1 posted 04/15/05 3:41am

mrdespues

1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?

when i was a child, i liked top 40 and classic stuff like the Beatles. as i got older I realised the "real music" of the day i liked was to be found mostly in the alternative genres, ie anything OTHER than top 40. i think this is not necessarily because top 40 was better in the 80s and early 90s (although truly, i think it was), but mainly because my tastes changed from poppier stuff to more leftfield stuff.

2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?

hardly ever tv, because most of what's on there is pure shit. usually the internet, record stores, magazines or word of mouth.

3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?

not sounding like everyone else, basically...which goes for any genre, but genres i get particularly tired of these days because there are so many soundalike bands/artists are indie rock and mainstream hip hop. i'm sick of that dreary colourless stuff that passes for "indie" these days and mainstream hip hop is just as bad.

if an artist has an obvious sense of "art" i'm usually drawn to them, but sometimes i like some mindless pop, too....as long as it is not overly mindless or derivative.


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?

no way, at least not in australia. radio is by and large shit here, except for perhaps triple j. i listened to radio more living in the US, but really radio ain't what it used to be when it comes to the mainstream because the mainstream music itself is by and large so bad.

5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?

definition of a sellout? hmmm....probably courtney love. i'd have to think about that a little more though. two answer the second question: DEFINITELY. people who point the finger and say sellout to any artist they like that wasn't big to begin with are just snobs. every artist in their right mind wants to reach the widest audience possible (usually).

6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?

there are only two types of music as i see it: false and real. this doesn't mean good or bad....but as long as it's real in some way, i usually like it. and sometimes a bit of shallowness doesn't go astray, too. experimentation is great and very necessary at times...reinvention and all that....a lack of it is usually what is an artists' downfall in the end.


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Reply #2 posted 04/15/05 4:32am

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1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?

Not just no, but HELL NO. I grew up on hard, slamming music that was fast and made for the dance floor, whether it was disco, funk, or house. Today's music to too slow and never gets past midtempo.

Today's music is also stripped down to nothing but a weak drum machine and some "talking" over it. Even the songs that are actually "sung" have that same weak drum machine. I love drum machines like Prince used in the early days, they beat much harder and Prince's music was a much faster pace. Today's drum machines just barely tap and the ones that thump hard, thump too hard to the point that they ground out the rest of the music.

I love bass also. Today's bass sounds fake and like some of the drum machines today, it also grounds out the rest of the song.

Another thing missing is handclaps, Either real or mechanical, music needs handclaps. Three things that make a song funky as hell are drums, bass, and handclaps and it's got to be at a fast enough pace to make your ass shake. In other words....."You ain't got a good groove if it don't make your ass move."

Today's singers, the ones that actually "sing", are too overexadurated. They sound like they are trying to win Amateur Night at the Apollo. It don't take all that, just sing the damn song.


2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?

I'm not drawn to new music at all. I gave up on it years ago. The only reason I know about some of the new artists is because I'm forced to hear them when I flip through the TV channels, hear co-workers playing them, or hear them from passing cars. I took mainstream radio stations off my dial years ago.


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?

I haven't searched for new music in years. I'm sure there may be some good underground music out there but that's just it, it's underground. If mainstream doesn't play it, how are you supposed to know it exists? It costs too much money to just buy an album and take a chance that you will like it.


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?

The only time I listen to the radio is in the car or if they have a special old school or disco night. For radio to change, the devil himself, Clear Channel, and other companies like it, need to be overthrown. They completely dominate what is played and have kept the same bullshit in style for 15 years. Before that, musical styles used to change around every 5 years. Clear Channel is keeping cheaply made music in style for major profit.


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?

A sellout, to me, is someone that has the potential to do much better but doesn't. Or someone that has done much better but lowers their standards to sell more music. Underground music used to become mainstream, but soon went back underground. That happened many times in the past. It's different these days though, companies like Clear Channel are not going to let anything underground get above ground because it might threaten the cheaply made music that is making them a big profit.


6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?

I'm all for change but I don't like for them to change when they are at the absolute top of their game. Prince is a prime example. He totally pissed me off when he changed his style after "Purple Rain". The work afterwards was fine but he should have kept his style for a few more years until it went out of style. It was like throwing down at a party real hard and all of a sudden, the police come in and raid the place, turn on the lights, and the party's over. Or like having sex and getting right to the point of orgasm and your partner gets up and puts their clothes on. lol

Rick James is one artist that I can truly say, stayed true to his loyal following and continued funk even after he had pop success with "Super Freak". His downfall, however, was his drug use and changing his style of funk because of his jealousy of Prince. Beginning with "Glow", which was right after "Purple Rain", Rick almost eliminated all the horns and started using more synthesizers, which worked well for Prince but not for him. It's almost like he was trying to follow Prince's path to success, he even started dressing like him. Prince, during that time, was on a trip to "La La Land", had a whole new audience, and had really gone off the deep end. Rick might could have made a big splash if he had continued his "own" style because many R&B fans were extremely pissed at Prince at the time.

The Barkays is a long time group that changed and adapted very well from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. They were constantly funky and changing with the times. Their latest CD, however, pisses me off, because they changed with the times. It's OK to change with the times if the times are good but if the times are shit, don't change with them. I had great respect for them in the 1990s when music was shit but they continued with hard jamming funk, even if it didn't get any airplay. I lost a lot of respect for them with their new album.
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Reply #3 posted 04/15/05 9:04am

Anxiety

1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?


I think everyone has a special affinity to the music they grew up with, or at least the first music that they were able to choose on their own. That said, I do try to keep current with music and I generally am listening regularly to stuff that's been released in the past year or two. This week I've finally been listening to the two latest Bright Eyes albums, before that I've been into the new Beck album. I think people are still doing new things, and as long as they are, I'll be into new music.


2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?


Everything you listed, except for radio. I just started frequenting www.pitchforkmedia.com , which has some really good reviews of new music, and has a really nice news section. Sometimes I hear about new music on National Public Radio and will check it out, but I don't even listen to NPR that much anymore.


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?


Originality, integrity, melody...that's important. If something's not melodic, there'd better be a REALLY good reason why, or else I'm probably not going to be interested. I do like dissonance sometimes, though - but again, there'd better be a good reason for it, even if that reason is that they're being artfully sloppy. I'm a sucker for really well-worded lyrics, and if someone sings those lyrics with a strong voice, I'm all over it.

4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?


I wasn't listening to radio 5 years ago. I don't think I've listened to radio since Kurt Cobain died, to be honest. Around '92 or '93, I thought radio was hot. I was finally hearing stuff like Nine Inch Nails and The Cramps and The Cure and all the stuff *I* liked, being played alongside people like Celine Dion and Amy Grant and all the usual Top 40 stuff. I loved that, even though 'the usual top 40 stuff' typically isn't my cup of tea. It was nice to hear the music I like being treated as "normal" for once, instead of this marginalized music that only weirdos listen to. That's what I think is wrong with radio now. No risk. None. One of my co-workers listens to the same radio station every day at my job, and I am not exaggerating when I say that for the eight hours I am at work, I hear the same five or six songs played over and over in different playing orders. Radio has hit bottom. I blame Clear Channel, of course. I think someday, someone will come along with a great idea and revolutionize radio. Who knows when that day will be?


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?


I don't believe in the word "sellout". Next.


6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?


Depends. People like Paul Simon and Sting were cool when they started messing around with African and Brazilian music, but now I think the whole "world music chic" thing is tired and the last thing I wanna see now is Paul Simon's wrinkly old butt doing a fertility dance to "Mrs. Robinson". I think artists with long and fruitful careers do need to try new things - this is why I love Bowie so much - and I think they should also have a sense of when it's time to move on or put a certain style they've been playing with to rest and start exploring something new.
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Reply #4 posted 04/15/05 9:24am

RocknRollDave

funkyslsistah said:

These questions have been on my mind, and I wanted to toss them out to the music fanatics and casual listeners, and find out your views on music. It's not meant to turn into a major debate over who listens to what or who has ruined music.


1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?


Leaving aside the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, I think there is as much good music around now as ever, and as much crap as ever lol Most of the stuff I buy is "back catalogue" i.e. not current, but that is because there is more choice - there may be 5 albums out this month that I will be even slightly interested in, there are thousands in the past just waiting for me to get my dirty mits on them.


2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?

Magazines usually remind me of a band I have forgotten to explore, so I get digging with my metaphorical musical spade


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?

Hard to say, as I like a lot of different styles - like, why do I like Morrissey's smooth vocals but still have time for the grunting of Slayer..?

I think I just like something that sounds believable, which of course even "throwaway" Pop can be - Hanging On The Telephone is my fave pop song, she just makes you believe she means what she is singing.

4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?

I am more interested in talking radio than music radio, to be honest. I like shows that don't play current stuff, as new releases get over-played in the UK. There just needs to be more variety on regular radio, like there is on cable/ digital and internet radio.


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?

Most artists go crap because they take their eye off the game, not because of money. It isn't so much that they sell out to money, but that they sell out to the idea of being taken "seriously" as an "artist" and they lose the fire. Many people keep the fire in them, they are the ones who don't "sell out"



6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?


I am far too conservative in this respect - I hate it when bands change - if I like something, I am guilty of wanting them to keep doing it. Mind you it all depends..

As a big Smiths fan, I love Morrissey's solo work, which I feel continues his Smiths style (and I love to hear him play the Smiths songs live) but I also like Johnny Marr's work as Electronic, which is a radical departure from the Smiths. As long as it is "good" I don't care whether they change. What makes it "good" or not is another matter, and I have no idea what the answer to that is! lol
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Reply #5 posted 04/15/05 9:41am

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funkyslsistah said:


1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?


I don’t. Why? Because I like rock music and rock music has lost all of it’s aggression. I like R&B and today R&B is basically another form of hip-hop. Bands are dead. Bubble gum music is listened to by adults. I can’t think of any form of music that’s thriving.

2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?


Word of Mouth. This website. Otherwise I have no idea about new acts or songs.


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?


I can’t really put into quick words. It’s just the groove or melody, it’s like the first time I heard the stooges.


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?



Haven’t listened to FM radio in 10 years.

5) What is your definition of a sellout?


Metallica, Sting

A.Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?


Kid Rock is the only guy I can think of in the last few years who has. Him and his fan base have no integrity...at least as it concerns music.



6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..?



PRODUCTION and RECORDING METHODS….I don’t care what you record, just do it the way you use to. Modern recording techniques sound too fake and synthetic.

Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?


Only Sting
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Reply #6 posted 04/15/05 11:22am

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funkyslsistah said:



1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?

No, I have a different appreciation for modern music because of my changed perspectives and alleged maturity compared to my childhood.

2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?

I never listen to the radio. Sometimes a video catches my eye and ears (the "Sexx Laws" video got me into Beck). But mostly through word of mouth and/or the internet.


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?

Inventive lyrics and a compelling sound. A song or a recommendation from a friend is what helps put me on to a new/established artist.


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?

Until radio programmers quit monopolizing the rotations, I will continue to boycott it. I haven't listened to the radio in over a decade but for NPR and sports talk.


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?

Wow, that one's hard. Suffice it to say one knows a sellout when one hears him/her. Rare is the artist who can walk the tightrope between mass appeal and underground/artistic credibility. Prince and handfuls of others fit that small category.

But, to flip the script, there are prolly several mainstream artists who later develop an underground/cult-like following.



6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?

Listening to Prince in the 1980's, when he changed his style on virtually every successive album, I don't necessarily resist changes of pace among artists. But there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. For example, Prince doing a tune with Common or Chuck D. is one thing. Prince doing a tune with Tony M. or T.C. Ellis is another.

Look also at Beck. He went from a string of frenetic, eclectic albums to Sea Change. It was hard at first, but I grew to love the album and respect Beck more as an artist.

At the same time, that doesn't mean I really dig everything an artist does when branching out. For example, I don't really dig Me'Shell's new jazz experiment (yet). Coltrane's Ascension is kinda unlistenable to me.

True artists' careers are rarely "over," even if they take an artistic or commercial misstep Were that the case, Prince woulda been done after NewPowerSoul (artistic misstep) or Lovesexy (commercial misstep)
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Reply #7 posted 04/16/05 9:54am

Hotlegs

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1) Do you enjoy the music that is out today just as much as the music that you grew up on during your childhood and teens? If so why? If not, why not?

Not just no, but HELL NO. I grew up on hard, slamming music that was fast and made for the dance floor, whether it was disco, funk, or house. Today's music to too slow and never gets past midtempo.

Today's music is also stripped down to nothing but a weak drum machine and some "talking" over it. Even the songs that are actually "sung" have that same weak drum machine. I love drum machines like Prince used in the early days, they beat much harder and Prince's music was a much faster pace. Today's drum machines just barely tap and the ones that thump hard, thump too hard to the point that they ground out the rest of the music.

I love bass also. Today's bass sounds fake and like some of the drum machines today, it also grounds out the rest of the song.

Another thing missing is handclaps, Either real or mechanical, music needs handclaps. Three things that make a song funky as hell are drums, bass, and handclaps and it's got to be at a fast enough pace to make your ass shake. In other words[i]....."You ain't got a good groove if it don't make your ass move."[/i]
Today's singers, the ones that actually "sing", are too overexadurated. They sound like they are trying to win Amateur Night at the Apollo. It don't take all that, just sing the damn song.


2) How are you drawn to new music? the radio, word of mouth, attending concerts, or the internet?

I'm not drawn to new music at all. I gave up on it years ago. The only reason I know about some of the new artists is because I'm forced to hear them when I flip through the TV channels, hear co-workers playing them, or hear them from passing cars. I took mainstream radio stations off my dial years ago.


3) What do you listen for when searching for new music? What attracts you to new artists or established artists that you are discovering for the first time?

I haven't searched for new music in years. I'm sure there may be some good underground music out there but that's just it, it's underground. If mainstream doesn't play it, how are you supposed to know it exists? It costs too much money to just buy an album and take a chance that you will like it.


4) Do you listen to the radio as much as you did maybe 5 years ago? How does radio need to change?

The only time I listen to the radio is in the car or if they have a special old school or disco night. For radio to change, the devil himself, Clear Channel, and other companies like it, need to be overthrown. They completely dominate what is played and have kept the same bullshit in style for 15 years. Before that, musical styles used to change around every 5 years. Clear Channel is keeping cheaply made music in style for major profit.


5) What is your definition of a sellout? Can an artist or band attract a mainstream audience after a few years of being an unknown or underground, and still maintain it's core fanbase or even integrity?

A sellout, to me, is someone that has the potential to do much better but doesn't. Or someone that has done much better but lowers their standards to sell more music. Underground music used to become mainstream, but soon went back underground. That happened many times in the past. It's different these days though, companies like Clear Channel are not going to let anything underground get above ground because it might threaten the cheaply made music that is making them a big profit.


6) Using a couple of examples of your favorite artists and bands that you grew up listening to, do you prefer that they maintain a certain musical style that you were initially drawn to, or are you open to them experimenting with other genres, themes etc..? Also, do you consider their careers over when they do so?

I'm all for change but I don't like for them to change when they are at the absolute top of their game. Prince is a prime example. He totally pissed me off when he changed his style after "Purple Rain". The work afterwards was fine but he should have kept his style for a few more years until it went out of style. It was like throwing down at a party real hard and all of a sudden, the police come in and raid the place, turn on the lights, and the party's over. Or like having sex and getting right to the point of orgasm and your partner gets up and puts their clothes on. lol

Rick James is one artist that I can truly say, stayed true to his loyal following and continued funk even after he had pop success with "Super Freak". His downfall, however, was his drug use and changing his style of funk because of his jealousy of Prince. Beginning with "Glow", which was right after "Purple Rain", Rick almost eliminated all the horns and started using more synthesizers, which worked well for Prince but not for him. It's almost like he was trying to follow Prince's path to success, he even started dressing like him. Prince, during that time, was on a trip to "La La Land", had a whole new audience, and had really gone off the deep end. Rick might could have made a big splash if he had continued his "own" style because many R&B fans were extremely pissed at Prince at the time.

The Barkays is a long time group that changed and adapted very well from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. They were constantly funky and changing with the times. Their latest CD, however, pisses me off, because they changed with the times. It's OK to change with the times if the times are good but if the times are shit, don't change with them. I had great respect for them in the 1990s when music was shit but they continued with hard jamming funk, even if it didn't get any airplay. I lost a lot of respect for them with their new album.
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