mrdespues said




My feelings exactly. Whilst I can see why people have their doubts about the prosecution, I think the level of animosity towards the accusers and their family is really sad. No other "victim" would be subjected to such ruthless dissection by the public.

These are serious accusations and deserve to be treated as such.

Saturday, April 16, 2005
By Roger Friedman

Jackson Case: Time To Stop the Madness

It's now time to stop the madness and declare a mistrial in California vs. Jackson. What happened on Friday in the Santa Maria courthouse should not have happened at all. Whether or not Michael Jackson is guilty of child molestation is no longer the issue.

The Santa Barbara District Attorney's office is now potentially guilty of exploiting a disturbed woman's condition to get a conviction. It's wrong, and it's not going to achieve anything but tarnishing the reputations of their well-intentioned staff.

The testimony on Friday of Janet Arvizo, mother of Michael Jackson's teenage accuser, was alternately maddening and heart breaking. She came across on the stand during her cross-examination by Thomas Mesereau as a compulsive and pathological liar, a shrewd manipulator and a real operator.

But she was also quite sad, and unable to control her emotions. At one point she declared in an aside, "I now know that Neverland is a place for booze, pornography, and sex with little boys." The statement was immediately stricken from the record.

In fact, Arvizo may have really alienated an already shell-shocked jury. Mesereau played a video made by Jackson's associates in February 2003 in which Arvizo and her three children sang the pop star's praises as a father figure. Arvizo's appearance in the video was in stark contrast to the woman on the stand. In the film she is glamorous, with a winning smile and laugh. She resembles a darker, complicated version of Meg Ryan.

But the woman on the stand now, who had to take questions every few minutes, is about 25 pounds heavier and stripped of her bubbly determination. Two years and two different people. It was startling.

Then again, neither of these two Janet Arvizos resembles the one on a police interview tape leaked to a TV show last winter. That makes three Janets, and there are probably more to come.

The Janet Arvizo who testified on Friday was close to the one described to me a year ago, and about whom I've been reporting on since then. She was feisty and obnoxious, manipulative and cunning.

She did not shrink from fights with Mesereau. She often addressed the jury directly instead of answering Mesereau's questions, and didn't seem to care how Judge Rodney Melville instructed her. Her hubris was her undoing, and it was magnificent and tragic.

She had sharp recollections of things that interested her and no memories of dates, times, or places that could undermine her case. She couldn't recall, for example, how much money her children or ex-husband received in their settlement from JC Penney. She also could not remember how she met a Los Angeles police officer, how they became friends, or if he once gave her a ride in his car.

She couldn't remember how many times she'd discussed the current case with her lawyer, Larry Feldman, the same man who secured a $20 million settlement for another Jackson accuser in 1993.

Building on a theme she started Thursday concerning Jackson's group as "masters of choreography," Arvizo nearly stopped court entirely when Mesereau brought up a visit she made to a Los Olivos salon while staying at Neverland.

First they tussled over whether she received a "body wax" or a "leg wax." She insisted it was the latter, and also claimed she'd paid for it. That was a mistake. Mesereau, of course, had the receipt for $140, which showed multiple beauty treatments including leg, bikini and lip waxing, and a manicure. "Do you want to see the receipt?" Mesereau offered.

Arvizo refused, claiming that he'd somehow changed it. It was another example of what she termed the Jackson team's masterful "choreography."

"Who paid for it?" Mesereau demanded. Arvizo refused to answer several times, finally claiming: "I don't know." She also said it was all a plot to enhance Jackson's P.R.

There was more. It seemed endless, and painful. Mesereau walked her through the "rebuttal video," an interview with her and her three children that wasn't finished in time to be included in a Jackson TV special. Even though all four members of the family seem relaxed and spontaneous, Arvizo insisted over and over again it was scripted.

When this position became ludicrous to maintain, she refused to back down. Instead, she embellished the story. "Dieter [Wiesner] worked with me on it ten times a day so I could memorize the lines. I was acting!" she declared continuously, speaking of Jackson's former manager.

Wiesner, she said, wrote every word of it, despite the fact that he's German, has a poor command of English, and had no contact with Arvizo — by her admission — after about a week.

There wasn't a single person in the room who believed her.

The rebuttal video may also have proven her a liar. On it, she makes reference several times to the Martin Bashir special, "Living with Michael Jackson."

In an outtake, she instructs the video director to "make it like in Bashir," i.e. showing her clasping hands with her son: a very specific image. But Arvizo, her new husband and her kids have insisted in all their testimony thus far that she has never seen the documentary.

What was most striking, though, about Arvizo's video performance was her incredible disloyalty to her then boyfriend, now husband, retired US Army Major Jay Jackson.

Even though Jackson was supporting her and her kids at the time of the rebuttal video, Arvizo pretended he didn't exist. Over and over in the video she and her children praised Jackson as a father figure who'd completed their family.

Their compliments could not have been more effusive or sycophantic, and they were all the more creepy considering they had a real father figure at home. Never mind that their biological father was a convicted abuser whom the mother has accused of everything short of sinking the Andrea Doria.

The worst moment came right before court was recessed for the weekend. It was then that Arvizo, who'd shown us high and low moments of great extremes, finally burst into tears, though not because she thought her son had been molested by Michael Jackson. It was because she conceded that she did not accompany her husband to Army functions.

"I'm not smart enough to be with those people," she said, and sobbed. Even Jackson and his mother, Katherine, must have felt for this woman. Abused, destroyed, mentally broken, there is nothing left to her. More cross-examination on Monday seems almost beside the point. She needs help.

And then there was District Attorney Tom Sneddon, who sat not with the other prosecutors during this brutal performance, but on a bench behind them. In full view of the jury, Sneddon sat with his head often in his hands, looking askance at what he's wrought. Sneddon has devoted the last twelve years to proving Jackson is a child molester, but he chose the wrong case and the wrong people to close his deal.

That was clearly conveyed to the jury on Friday. The whole thing is mind-boggling. But for Sneddon to continue the public torture of this battered soul would be worse than trying to finish the case. His one chance for redemption is to call a halt to this nightmare before it gets worse. That will ensure him a better legacy than the one he may have created for himself.

http://www.foxnews.com/st...55,00.html


LOS ANGELES TIMES

Mesereau, Accuser's Mom Spar

Michael Jackson's lawyer lashes at the woman's credibility, prompting exasperated comebacks. Judge reprimands both.

By Steve Chawkins
Times Staff Writer

April 16, 2005

SANTA MARIA, Calif. — In a string of prickly confrontations, Michael Jackson's lead attorney and the mother of his young accuser sparred for hours Friday over claims that she repeatedly lied about domestic abuse, a fracas with security guards at a JCPenney and a leg wax.

In question after question, defense attorney Thomas A. Mesereau Jr. pounded away at a theme he has been developing for more than a year: The woman cannot be trusted to tell the simplest truth.

The issue is pivotal to defense attempts to exonerate Jackson of molestation charges. Mesereau contends the woman is a deceptive shakedown artist who has her eye on a huge settlement from the singer in the future.

If the jury believes Mesereau, it will seriously damage the prosecution's case, legal experts have said.

Prosecutors have cast the accuser's mother as an unsophisticated woman who, blinded by Jackson's celebrity, happily yielded to his many entreaties for access to her son. The Times is withholding her name to shield her son's identity.

Mesereau and the 37-year-old woman sniped at each other for most of the day.

At one point, the woman said her performance in a video tribute to Jackson displeased the singer's associates.

"I'm a poor actress," she told the jury.

"I think you're a good one," Mesereau shot back, earning a rebuke from Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville.

The judge also admonished the woman, telling her that no matter what she thought of her interrogator, she had to quit making exasperated remarks such as: "I have a lot of thoughts in my heart about you."

She also glared at Jackson, saying she had been too scared to call authorities and challenge "this Goliath."

Jackson, 46, is charged with child molestation and conspiring to hold the family captive. He faces at least 20 years in prison if convicted on all charges. The mother returns to the stand Monday.

While she never claimed to have seen the alleged 2003 molestation of her son, a cancer survivor who was 13 at the time, the woman elaborated on Jackson's alleged imprisonment scheme.

Mesereau attacked her claim, noting the mother had left Neverland ranch in the Santa Ynez Valley three times during her purported captivity.

"You didn't escape from Neverland at all, did you?" Mesereau demanded.

"Oh yes, I did!" she said.

Hours before the first of her three purported escapes, Mesereau said, she was taken to nearby Los Olivos by a Jackson bodyguard and treated to a body waxing at a local salon.

"He is inaccurate!" the woman told jurors. "It was a leg wax."

She said that Jackson's video crew was chronicling the event as evidence of his generosity to the mother of an underprivileged cancer patient.

The tab at the salon for the leg waxing and a facial was $140 — money the woman said Jackson owed her because his assistants had lost some of her luggage.

The purpose of the lockup, prosecutors say, was to secure the family's appearance in a video countering a damaging British documentary in which Jackson admitted to sharing his bed, nonsexually, with boys.

For the fourth time in the trial, jurors viewed the rebuttal video, in which the woman lauded Jackson as "the ideal family man" and "an answered prayer for my children and me." On the tape, she said their weeks as guests at Neverland helped to heal her son.

On the witness stand on Friday, she expressed a dramatically different view.

"Now I know different," she said, turning to face the jurors.

"Neverland was all about booze, pornography and sex with boys," she said, earning another admonishment from the judge.

Her videotaped comments and those of her children, she said were, "scripted, down to the word" by Jackson aides Dieter Weisner and Ronald Konitzer.

She said that veering from the script even a little would invite retaliation from Jackson's associates and could even end in the murder of her elderly parents.

Weisner and Konitzer, whom she repeatedly referred to as "the Germans," rehearsed her lines with her in a Neverland guest cottage about 10 times a day, she said. The woman's two sons and daughter, who already testified about their involvement in the video tribute, did not mention the rehearsals.

She testified that she was "sad and confused" when she expressed high praise for Jackson on the video, but deflected Mesereau's questions about whether she had been lying.

"It was acting," she said repeatedly. "You're not going to call Halle Berry and say, 'Are you Catwoman?' She's not lying — she's acting. And that's it!"

Mesereau also turned the jury's attention to a $152,000 settlement the family obtained from J.C. Penney Co., trying to demonstrate the suit was an example of the mother's penchant for scams.

She and her family filed the suit after alleging that store security guards who had accused them of shoplifting had beaten them.

In a deposition, the woman alleged that guards knocked her down in the parking lot of a Los Angeles shopping center and did bellyflops on her body. Her breasts fell out of her bra, she said, and a guard squeezed one of her nipples 10 to 25 times.

"He wanted to humiliate me, just like he's trying to do at this moment," she told jurors, referring to Mesereau.

In her deposition, she said her injuries were not the result of her husband beating her. However, in her divorce filing and several criminal actions, she alleged that her husband had abused the family almost daily for 17 years.

"You lied under oath to increase the money you could get!" Mesereau accused.

She admitted lying about her husband's abuse, but denied it was to boost her payout.

In response to questions from both Mesereau and prosecutor Ron Zonen, she forcefully asserted that she had no plans to sue Jackson, a contention the defense disputes.

She also said there were no plans for her son, now 15, to sue the pop star. Under the law, he can file a claim any time before he turns 20.

However, the woman acknowledged conferring a number of times over the last few months with Los Angeles attorney Larry Feldman, who negotiated a reported $20-million settlement from Jackson for another alleged molestation victim. She said their discussions were about subpoenas she had received, not about plans to sue.

"I want justice here," she told the jury.

http://www.latimes.com/ne...california

adoreme said:

This isn't like Jordy Chandler!
Gavin is not a victim
he was never a victim, niether was his family!
Jordy gets more sympathy from me because i truly believe he was manipulated by his father.
Its obvious Gavin has an Axe to grind, so does his mother
thats why their stories were well... shot down!
this is why prosecution needed the prior bad acts to bolster the case
you don't have a good case when ALL the accusers are not credible.
The thing thats gonna break the case is the conspiracy charge.
in 93 there was no conspiracy,

Now i think i know what your getting at
but you don't seem to understand that these "Accusations"
are Fallable!
TOO! Fallable!

How can you take something thats so ... well Stupid! ... Serious
this is what the Jury is going to be graced with!

what you are implying is that Jackson did do something...
now let me say exactly what he did...

Jackson knew the family for a few years... so he doesn't do anything... UNTIL the bashir documentery hits the world, this is when he says "I have to kidnap them, and i must molest Gavin" So kidnapping to michael entails the family spending thousands of dollars at his expense! (if that was the case i need to be kidnapped by michael)
As much as you wan't to sympathize the accusers its quite hard too
when everything they say has holes in it...

The mother testified that her children were "Different" after neverland...
They where roudy and yelling her, being bad kids
something wrong about that...
The stewardess testified gavin was rude and demanding
The school counselor testified Gavin was starting fights, being rude and demanding WAY BEFORE a molestation ever happened!
now i know it feels wrong to call kids bad...
but trust me the kid is a bad seed!
this is nothing that MJ implanted into him, sorry

When you see this type of lunacy in a case...
Sympathy is over-ruled
and pardon me for being rude and some-what cumbersome
at this point if you still believe the treatment the accuser is being given is ruthless...
please tell what has Jackson been going through for the past decade and half!
now thats Ruthless!
The accusers still somewhat have alot of people by their side, nearly 70% of the united states... those are pretty good odds

As for the fans
i say be ruthless as possible, cause they love him
and being ruthless for the one you love i think thats fair game
Plus we all know MJ fans are rabid animals anyway hehe
[Edited 4/16/05 8:35am]

Accuser's mother combative with Jackson attorney
By Quintin Cushner/Staff Writer

http://www.santamariatime...news00.txt

The mother of the boy accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation sparred with the entertainer's defense attorney during a combative cross-examination today in Superior Court in Santa Maria.

The woman is a key witness for the prosecution's attempts to prove that Jackson conspired with several associates to abduct, falsely imprison and extort the woman and her family in the weeks following the February 2003 airing of a controversial documentary about Jackson.

In the documentary, "Living With Michael Jackson," the boy accuser is shown holding hands with the singer, who makes comments defending as "innocent" his practice of sharing his bed with children.

The woman earlier testified that she and her children were coerced into making scripted comments praising Jackson in a "rebuttal video" intended to counter the documentary.

The woman also said she was led to believe that Jackson loved her and her family, and said she returned those feelings.

However, the woman said she feels betrayed by the singer, who now stands accused of plying her son with alcohol and molesting him at Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch in the Santa Ynez Valley.

"Now I know that Neverland is all about booze, pornography and sex with boys," she said.

The woman testified that associates of Jackson were not pleased with her performance on the rebuttal video, and told her she would have to leave the country.

"I'm a poor actress," she said, to which lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. replied, "Oh, I think you're a good one."

Mesereau and the woman often spoke over one another, prompting Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville to repeatedly stop testimony to instruct both to behave.

The two even argued about what kind of treatment the woman received at a Los Olivos salon shortly before she claims to have escaped from Neverland.

"I'm telling you there was only a leg wax," the woman said, before pointing at Jackson, who was seated at the defense table. "He has the ability to choreograph everything."

"And how about you?" Mesereau shot back.

The woman later nodded her head in consternation and told Mesereau, "I have a lot of thoughts in my heart about you."

Mesereau also asked her if she had lied in a deposition during a previous lawsuit against the JC Penney Co.

The woman testified that she did hide physical abuse suffered at the hands of her husband, claiming she did so because she was afraid of him.

The family eventually received more than $150,000 in a settlement with JC Penney, which the defense claims is evidence that the woman and her family are shakedown artists.

The woman also testified she has no intention of suing Jackson.

"We will never file a claim against Mr. Jackson," she said. "I want justice here."

At one point Mesereau ridiculed the notion that the woman and her family were ever held captive at Jackson's 2,800-acre estate.

"I want to know how many times did you escape from the dungeon, Neverland?"

The woman later testified that she considered all of the four times that she left Neverland to be "escapes."

Jackson, 46, has pleaded not guilty to four counts of molesting an unnamed 13-year-old boy and four counts of administering alcohol to help him with the alleged lewd acts. He also has pleaded not guilty to a conspiracy charge involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion, and a count of attempted child molestation.

The Santa Maria Times, following its established policy, is not identifying those who allege they were abused by Jackson, even though they are being named in court.

Oh I love you!

dag said:

Damn he's like batman, where does he get those AWESOME suits!

I also love his suits. They´re perfect. I love it! Finally he´s dressing real cool. Much better than he did before (like his oxford suit was terrible!).

dag said:

I imagine his tailor sowing day and night.

MJ: hey, i need a few new suits.

Tailor: Yeah, how much?

MJ: well, give and take, some 150

Tailor: *GASP* When do you want them?

MJ: Lets see, the first one, tomorrow. And then a new one every single day

*sound of fainting tailor*

there was a thread on the designer in the prince: music and more section...

the guy who did prince's suit for the grammies last year is doing mj's suits.

and while i think the suits themselves are nice, mj does a horrible job of accesorizing.....the vest colors tend to ruin the looks..and the pendands and metals gottsa go...

Er iv restrained my self from contributing to these sticky's, but i HAVE to comment right there, Michael's suits are BAD Man. Aint kno one can deny that. Exept 4 like two exeptions literally, His suits have been all that
[Edited 4/16/05 13:24pm]

what about his pajamas?

adoreme said:

She had so many chances and she destroyed all of them, this Janet Arvizo is full of shit. I'm not a MJ's fan but f*** her and her whole family
*
[Edited 4/16/05 15:59pm]

mrdespues said:

for the record we dont know if carroll was a peadophille or not....sure everyone involved denied it but.....only the old man and boys know for sure....and since they are all dead we will never know. Me thinks that Depp movie was a very sanitized telling of his story though.

sosgemini said:

aren't you all getting confused with J.M Barrie who created Peter Pan?

Marrk said:

DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!!

jn2 said:

OMG!!!!!
THE 7th SIGN!!!!!
in2 could it be???
OH MY GOD
::Grabs his crucifix::

-----Still waiting on confirmation of this information

---Listeners reported that the KABC reporter says Mesereau had the documents officially entered into evidence today.

--documents with Janet Arvizo’s signature on them where she tells the sheriff’s department that she actually previously launched an investigation into Jackson
---She reportedly admitted she started her own “investigation” into Jackson even BEFORE she had actually met him.
[Edited 4/16/05 18:40pm]

Lying under oath
-Under cross, Mesereau got Arvizo to admit that she lied under oath during a deposition for the J.C. Penney lawsuit.
---She used “bruises” apparently on her body claiming that they were given to her in her alleged beating by JC Penney guards
---Now she’s claiming the bruises were given to her by her ex-husband, David Arvizo in domestic violence dispute
---This is important because she’s seemingly falsifying evidence to get over $150,000 in that lawsuit

JC Penny Settlement
-According to a radio report from 980 AM KFWB Radio, the mother claimed she didn’t know how much she received as a settlement in that case, claiming that it was only $32,000
---Says Mesereau presented the court with evidence that it was much, much more

-Mike Taibbi reported on the Abrams Report yesterday (April 15) that the mother accused the attorneys representing her during that JC Penney lawsuit of lying, too:


MIKE TAIBBI: She admitted that she lied under oath in that deposition when she said that her husband had not beaten her and that they had a good marriage.

Now, Mesereau says ‘it’s because you’re willing to lie in order to get money out of JC Penneys’. And she said ‘No it’s because I was afraid of David’.

At that point, she said, ‘But before I even got a settlement I went to my civil attorney and had them try and cure the perjury by changing my testimony in that case, my deposition testimony. But they didn’t do it. They lied! They’re liars!’ meaning the law firm. And Mesereau says ‘And you’re not?’ At that point Melville said ‘Do you want me to shut down this trial for the afternoon? Let’s start taking this seriously.’

…You know Mesereau’s going to bring on Mary Hoser (sp?) who’s a paralegal in the first that represented her who’s gonna say—in his case, in his defense case – that yes, she, the accuser’s mother, said to Mary Hoser that it was all a lie ‘I made it up’. So that’s gonna come later on. But this is what’s happening now.

(Abrams Report April 15 2005)




-Taibbi reported on the Abrams Report (April 15) that both in the JC Penney litigation and in the mother’s divorce, “the children essentially mirrored stories that she told almost word for word, phrase for phrase.”


Previous Accusations of Abuse
-Janet Arivizo previously accused the biological father of molesting the accuser’s sister, Davellin Arvizo, during a divorce proceeding, reports Trace Gallagher.
---She also previously accused the father of falsely imprisoning them as well. Sound familiar?

-Mesereau also revealed in court that the accuser himself, Gavin Arvizo, accused his mother of abusing him.
---She tried to explain it away by saying “It’s ok. He was just a kid at the time”, reports Gallagher.



“Scripted” testimony
-Janet Arvizo claims that everything about that rebuttal interview, which was never broadcast, was “scripted”
---According to the AP, she claimed everything, even the joking and laughing they were doing during the breaks in that interview, was scripted.


“Kidnapping”/”Hostage” Allegation
-Mesereau revealed that this mother had a number of friends and acquaintances who were police officers.
---She didn’t contact any of them to report either being held hostage at the time or being held hostage after she “escaped” from Neverland
---According to a report from Trace Gallagher, she claimed she didn’t want to inconvenience them

-Mesereau revealed that at least one of the phone conversations with Frank Tyson happened after she “escaped” from being “held hostage” at Neverland
---In that conversation, she’s heard calling Frank “family” and saying very loving things about them after she and her family allegedly “escape”.


-Savannah Guthrie (Court TV) reports about the “leg wax”/”body wax” situation. The mother went to have a body wax costing about $140 during one of her many “escapes” from Neverland
--- Says under oath the mother kept insisting it was only a “leg wax” and Jackson’s people encouraged her to do this
---Mesereau presented the court with documented evidence of a receipt to show that it was more in the nature of a full body wax: eyebrows, face, other stuff
---Says she “refused to see the receipt” and accused the “masters of choreography”, referring to Jackson’s people, of “doctoring” the receipt
---Says Mesereau presented the receipt and it was $140.00


-Michael Cardoza was in the courtroom and reported on Crier Live yesterday that there was no good explanation in court why she was able to come and go as she pleased during the time she was allegedly “held hostage”
---Says Mesereau asked her about the past restraining orders she obtained against her ex-husband
---Says Mesereau pointed out that the mother knew how to get restraining orders and didn’t get any against these alleged “co-conspirators” who she claimed were harassing her
---Says Mesereau pointed out that she had plenty of opportunity to stay away from Neverland when she left

from mjeol
[Edited 4/16/05 19:13pm]

Luv4oneanotha said:

copy, print, save. I had to. jn2 REALLY does dislike MJ.

2 more weeks of prosecution to go, or is that defence-lite? It's quite hard to tell at this juncture.

Marrk said:

Only 2 weeks? darn this is all just tooooo fun
i love it when the state begins to embarrass themselves,
i wish it never stops lol

thanks for that post liligish..

its interesting..i wasnt on the net much yesterday so what news i did find on the case was via my phone. now most of what that news sources posted ( i think its from cnn.com) make it look like her testimony was damaging for Jackson..but upon reading this I am sold that she killed the prosecutions case...



close shop. stop waisting taxpayers money..

sosgemini said:

thiers approx 7 reporters who are actually in the court rooms
one of them is roger friedman from fox five two special analyst for cnn
one for the times, diane dimond, one from santa barbara, and another which i don't remember
with the exception for diane dimond
they all post accurate and majorly positive reports
the news outlets are basically hearing half the stories from what comes out
and naturally they'll spin it badly as well
in order to get a good accurate report, i suggest read the expensive newspaper
cause, the other ones are just waaaaay too biased

Luv4oneanotha said:

Liberal elitist



















just kidding...I bought my NY times tonight. listen to drudge tomorrow night.
[Edited 4/16/05 19:28pm]

lilgish said:

I've been called worst! lol

Seriously, in order to get a good iook at the media, purchase two regular news papers over here its The Post and newsday
Newsday is too liberal, The Post is too conservative

The Post ALWAYS post something bad about MJ
Newsday always post SOmething appealing

The Times on the other hand, is quite unbiased, an doesn't lean in favor of anything, or anyone

but out of any news outlets

Don't even bother with the media over in europe, especially england. They don't know whats going on lol

My uncle lives in manchester and he gets the NY times lol
[Edited 4/16/05 19:36pm]

Luv4oneanotha said:

What about Page 3

ok i will say it again:

i love michael's music and his impact on popular culture cannot be denied, but i will not apologise for a paedophile. i am not insinuating he has done anything, but i am not too foolish to think he can do no wrong.

it's becoming increasingly clear to me that a lot of orgers have lost touch with reality.

This case is so over. Only one week left for the prosecution and there was not one victim/witness who could rescue Sneddons case. Can't wait for the defense.

BlueNote

Oh and BTW, maybe a little OT, but if you want see a quite similar case, watch the documentary "The Staircase".

BlueNote

mrdespues said:

You think Michael is guilty?