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Reply #30 posted 04/14/05 2:04am

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Is it because of the Fifth Amendment that Mesereau didn't ask her about the JC Penney lawsuit and her attempt to meet others celebrities, like Jay Leno, in the past?
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Reply #31 posted 04/14/05 2:13am

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jn2 said:

Is it because of the Fifth Amendment that Mesereau didn't ask her about the JC Penney lawsuit and her attempt to meet others celebrities, like Jay Leno, in the past?


Mesereau hasn't spoken to her yet.
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Reply #32 posted 04/14/05 2:29am

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he bloody better ask her those questions about jc penny lawsuit, even if she doesnt answer them, at least the jury will know about them
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Reply #33 posted 04/14/05 7:17am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #34 posted 04/14/05 10:53am

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krayzie said:

Marrk said:

Michael's vitiligo is showing up today. confused


Hey good news... Maybe Mike wants to turn black again ??? biggrin
[Edited 4/13/05 15:19pm]

Not likely.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #35 posted 04/14/05 10:53am

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Mom of Jackson Accuser Claims Confusion
Posted: Thursday, Apr 14, 2005 - 10:05:13 am PDT
By TIM MOLLOY

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SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The mother of the boy who has accused Michael Jackson of child molestation testified Thursday that she was sad and confused when she appeared in a video in which she praised the pop star as a father figure.

Prosecutors contend the woman and her family made the video under duress and that Jackson associates wanted her and her children to do it to rebut a TV documentary that aired about two weeks earlier. In the TV show, Jackson was seen with the boy and said he allowed children to sleep in his bed, but that it was innocent.

The woman said she was given a script to follow and that during the video shoot she was read scripted questions.

She said she was instructed to say repeatedly, "That he's a wonderful father. Basically, in summary, that he's a wonderful father ... to my children."

Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen asked if she really believed the things she said on the video.

"I was confused, I was sad, so basically I was acting," she said.

On the tape, the woman continually praised Jackson and occasionally laughed and joked with her children between takes.

The mother said Jackson associated Dieter Wiesner, who prosecutors have named as one of the singer's unindicted co-conspirators, was responsible for scripting the questions and answers.

She testified Wednesday that Wiesner was one of the "Germans" she didn't like because they made her feel pressured. Both Wiesner and another unindicted alleged co-conspirator, Ronald Konitzer, are German.

The woman said that the day after making the rebuttal video, she and her children were interviewed by Los Angeles County child welfare authorities about whether she or Jackson had mistreated the children.

She said that during the interview a Jackson bodyguard pulled her aside and gave her instructions on how to deal with the case workers, implying her parents could be harmed if she didn't protect Jackson's image.

"He told me if I put Michael in a bad light he knew where my parents lived," she testified.

Jackson's associates told her not to allow the children to be separated during the interview, to make sure the case workers described the allegations against Jackson that they were investigating and to allow Jackson associates to tape the interview with a hidden recording device, she said.

They also told her she had to play the case workers a DVD made at Neverland in 2000 which showed Jackson and the boy walking and occasionally holding hands to the strains of Jackson's songs including "I'll Be There."

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old former cancer patient, plying the boy with alcohol, and holding his family captive in February and March 2003 to get them to help rebut the documentary.
The accuser's mother first took the stand Wednesday, and in jumbled and tearful testimony said she originally trusted the singer and associates to protect her family from unidentified "killers," but later decided Jackson was the one to fear.

Judge Rodney S. Melville allowed her to testify despite her refusal to discuss alleged welfare fraud _ an issue on which the defense had hoped to attack her credibility. She invoked the Fifth Amendment to avoid questions about it.

The woman said that after the documentary aired, the pop star convinced her in a "lovey-dovey speech" that her children were in danger, that there were "killers" after them, and that he was the only one who could protect them.

"I thought, 'What a nice guy,'" she said.

She said Jackson spoke to her family "in a very male voice" in a Miami hotel room, and told them "that he loves us, that he cares about us, we're family. ... That we were in the back of the line, now we're in the front of the line, that he's going to protect us from those killers."

Later she said of Jackson and his associates: "And you know what? They ended up being the killers."

She also testified that she saw Jackson lick her son's head during a February 2003 flight from Miami to California on a private jet. Asked about the event, she turned to jurors and pleaded, "Please don't judge me."

"Everyone was asleep. I had not slept for so long," she said. "I got up. I figured this was my chance to figure out what was going on back there. And that's when I saw Michael licking (the boy's) head."

She sobbed, pounded her chest and said, "I thought I was seeing things. I thought it was me."

Jurors were in a jovial mood as they returned from a break after the head-licking testimony. Several were smiling or laughing, and an alternate stuck his tongue out at a juror as he passed her on the way to his seat. There was no way of knowing the nature of their jokes.

During more than four hours of testimony Wednesday, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. did not make a single objection. Zonen, however, instructed the witness several times to answer his questions briefly instead of offering lengthy, sometimes off-topic answers.

Before court recessed Wednesday, Zonen played tape-recorded phone conversations between the woman and a man identified as Jackson aide Frank Tyson, whom prosecutors have named as an unindicted co-conspirator.

"Let us take care of you. Let us protect you," Tyson is heard saying. "Trust me. ... Now is not the time to be out there alone."

On the tape, Tyson's gentle, high-pitched voice is startlingly reminiscent of the speaking voice Jackson sometimes uses.

"I thought he was a good guy," the woman said of Tyson, "and he ended up being the worst of all of them."

She said she eventually returned to Jackson's Neverland ranch, gave an interview to a private investigator and appeared on the rebuttal video.

Defense attorneys have raised questions about the woman's credibility by accusing her in opening statements of bilking other celebrities and committing welfare fraud. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon said in his opening statement the woman would admit she took welfare payments to which she wasn't entitled.

The judge read a statement to jurors saying the woman had taken the Fifth outside of their presence and that attorneys did not realize she would do so when they delivered their opening statements.

Defense attorney Robert Sanger vehemently objected to the testimony, saying Jackson had a constitutional right to have his attorneys cross-examine the woman on every issue. The judge rejected a defense request for a mistrial or to require her to take the Fifth in front of jurors.

AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

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Reply #36 posted 04/14/05 10:54am

Adisa

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woot! Marrk!!
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #37 posted 04/14/05 11:07am

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Adisa said:

krayzie said:



Hey good news... Maybe Mike wants to turn black again ??? biggrin
[Edited 4/13/05 15:19pm]

Not likely.


it would be a good career move though.
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Reply #38 posted 04/14/05 11:08am

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rolleyes
[Edited 4/14/05 11:08am]
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Reply #39 posted 04/14/05 11:15am

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Marrk said:

rolleyes
[Edited 4/14/05 11:08am]


positive thoughts...today will be a great cross.
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Reply #40 posted 04/14/05 11:20am

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lilgish said:

Marrk said:

rolleyes
[Edited 4/14/05 11:08am]


positive thoughts...today will be a great cross.


she's still clowning under direct at the moment, still talking about February, so that still leave March, April, May and June to cover.

From neverland to fantasyland is how one reporter has described it.

From MJJFORUM

Oh man, I just saw DD report and it was HILARIOUS. The spin she was giving it was so over the top...

she said at one point the Prosecutor (Zonen) reached into an envelope and pulled out 4 objects...

The mother grabbed them, clutched them, and started CRYING HER EYES OUT...

"My Passports! Oh, finally! My passports!! Wahhhhh!!! Wahhhhh!!! I haven't seen those since Amen stole them! MY PASSPORTS!!! OH FINALLY!!!"

DD was asked if this was believable, she said

"Oh yeah. Oh yeah."

falloff
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Reply #41 posted 04/14/05 12:30pm

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Diane Diamond is full of it.
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Reply #42 posted 04/14/05 12:58pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

Diane Diamond is full of it.


always has been.

From CTV board testimony update:

Tom Mesereau has objected several times today, but is still more quiet than usual. At one of his objections, saying the answer was non-responsive, the mother looked right at him and said, "Well that was my answer."

If she has a problem with that, wait until cross examination.

According Laura Ingle from Fox News, some of the jurors look away during Janet's testimony, some have put their notebooks away, some are trying hard to hold their laughter.

Michael is just sat in his chair humming to himself apparently.

CTV board update:


The mother was asked about the sleeping arrangements at Neverland. She knew they weren't staying in the guest suites, and knew they were staying in the main house, but she thought the children were sleeping with other children.

She was very concerned about the kids....said they were running around Neverland like "nuts." She said she tried to call people - her mother, and she talked in Spanish and whispered, but her mother couldn't hear her. She called a cousin too, trying to tell people what was going on.

She was asked, "Why didn't you call the police?" Her answer was "Who would believe me?" there was laughter in the overflow room at this comment, as it's been heard from so many others in this case.

New photo from matt Drudge of the Grifter mum.

lol
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Reply #43 posted 04/14/05 1:54pm

Luv4oneanotha

Marrk said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Diane Diamond is full of it.


always has been.

From CTV board testimony update:

Tom Mesereau has objected several times today, but is still more quiet than usual. At one of his objections, saying the answer was non-responsive, the mother looked right at him and said, "Well that was my answer."

If she has a problem with that, wait until cross examination.

According Laura Ingle from Fox News, some of the jurors look away during Janet's testimony, some have put their notebooks away, some are trying hard to hold their laughter.

Michael is just sat in his chair humming to himself apparently.

CTV board update:


The mother was asked about the sleeping arrangements at Neverland. She knew they weren't staying in the guest suites, and knew they were staying in the main house, but she thought the children were sleeping with other children.

She was very concerned about the kids....said they were running around Neverland like "nuts." She said she tried to call people - her mother, and she talked in Spanish and whispered, but her mother couldn't hear her. She called a cousin too, trying to tell people what was going on.

She was asked, "Why didn't you call the police?" Her answer was "Who would believe me?" there was laughter in the overflow room at this comment, as it's been heard from so many others in this case.

New photo from matt Drudge of the Grifter mum.

lol
[Edited 4/14/05 13:05pm]

She's no June Chandler lol
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Reply #44 posted 04/14/05 2:50pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:


She's no June Chandler lol


I hate saying the word MILF, but June Chandler is certainly one.
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Reply #45 posted 04/14/05 3:05pm

Luv4oneanotha

lilgish said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


She's no June Chandler lol


I hate saying the word MILF, but June Chandler is certainly one.
[Edited 4/14/05 14:53pm]


MILF MILF MILF MILF MILF!!!
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Reply #46 posted 04/14/05 5:53pm

dreamfactory31
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I knew that I recognized her from somehwere! eek



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Reply #47 posted 04/15/05 3:56am

mrdespues

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I'd sooooo do them both.love Pepina sandwich! 3some 3way


do you not care that it is highly likely he is a paedophile?

i love michael's music, always have, but i'm not an apologist for a paedophile...are you? i'm not trying to piss you off or accuse you of being an apologist, it just seems like a lot of fans have a blind love for him...i mean, he COULD be like a lewis carroll figure (likes boys, doesn't act on it) in which case i might be able to accept michael a little more....but definitely not relate to as much as i once did.

as for now, there's just no way to know, you know? it's a real tragedy. just wondering what your stance is (and others's stance, too?).
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Reply #48 posted 04/15/05 6:43am

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I'd shag him. smile
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Reply #49 posted 04/15/05 8:05am

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no big deal edit
[Edited 4/15/05 8:14am]
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Reply #50 posted 04/15/05 8:16am

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no bid deal answer edit
[Edited 4/15/05 8:17am]
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Reply #51 posted 04/15/05 9:43am

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So guys, today is the big day. It's make or break time. Janet gonna be on cross today.

BlueNote
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Reply #52 posted 04/15/05 9:44am

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BlueNote said:

So guys, today is the big day. It's make or break time. Janet gonna be on cross today.

BlueNote


Cross Examination has started!!!!!
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Reply #53 posted 04/15/05 9:51am

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lilgish said:

BlueNote said:

So guys, today is the big day. It's make or break time. Janet gonna be on cross today.

BlueNote


Cross Examination has started!!!!!


Already BIG tension between Mez and Janet. Mez wants to play the conversation between Tyson and Janet, but the recorder doesn't work. lol It's sooo drama out there!

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Reply #54 posted 04/15/05 10:22am

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Cloudbuster said:

I'd shag him. smile


Cloudy! you Perv. Have a cameltoe.



lol
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Reply #55 posted 04/15/05 10:30am

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Lovely! lol
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Reply #56 posted 04/15/05 10:39am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #57 posted 04/15/05 10:57am

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Posted on Fri, Apr. 15, 2005





Jackson defense begins contentious cross-examination of accuser's mother

TIM MOLLOY

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SANTA MARIA, Calif. - Prosecutors in the Michael Jackson molestation trial on Friday showed jurors videotapes found in a private investigator's office to demonstrate that the pop star's associates had closely monitored the accuser's family while he, his mother and siblings were allegedly being held captive.

After prosecutors ended their friendly questioning of the accuser's mother, lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. began a fast-moving and contentious cross-examination, expected to be among the most heated episodes in the trial.

The video footage played by prosecutors was taken in mid-February 2003, when the family was allegedly being kept at Jackson's Neverland ranch because the pop star's associates wanted them to help rebut a damaging documentary. Prosecutors contend Jackson associates tried to prevent escape by threatening to harm people close to them.

The tapes, some of which had time stamps showing they were shot as early as 4:48 a.m., were taken from the office of Bradley Miller, an investigator hired by former Jackson attorney Mark Geragos.

One shows both the accuser's mother and Jackson associate Vince Amen, named by prosecutors as one of Jackson's unindicted alleged co-conspirators. In other sections of the footage, the mother identified her parents emerging from their home and her then boyfriend driving in a parking structure. The couple later married.

Jurors were also shown a recording of men cleaning out and removing furniture from the family's cramped East Los Angeles apartment. "Cucarachas," one of the men remarked, apparently referring to an insect problem.

Prosecutors contend Jackson associates took the family's items and kept them after the family left Neverland. The video was dated March 5, 2003, and the family left Neverland for the last time a week later.

In the combative cross-examination Friday, Mesereau repeatedly instructed the mother to her to respond succinctly and directly to his questions, but she launched into lengthy speeches in answer to each inquiry.

When Mesereau played a recording of a conversation between the mother and one of Jackson's associates, she snapped: "This tape has been manipulated."

The witness also sparred with Mesereau when he asked whether Jackson associates took her to get a "body wax."

"Incorrect," she said. "I had a leg wax." After another question, she turned to the jury and said, "His statement is inaccurate. He keeps saying body wax."

Mesereau asked her how it was possible that on the same day she claims she had to escape from Neverland, she was also taken to get a leg wax. She insisted that technically it was not the same day because she went for the leg wax in the afternoon and she didn't escape until 1 a.m. that night.

Confronted with questions about a report she made against her ex-husband accusing him of molesting her daughter, the woman refused to answer the question directly and instead turned to the jury again and said, "No, he's wrong."

But after a tug-of-war of words between the witness and lawyer, she agreed she had made such a report, but said it was "in the midst of all the other information about (the ex-husband)."

"You reported him for falsely imprisoning your family?" asked Mesereau.

"They investigated him," she said.

Mesereau asked the woman if she was being truthful when she told Jackson associate Frank Tyson in a recorded phone call that she loves Tsyon's family and said the only reason she left Neverland was because of the "German people," referring to two Jackson advisers who, like Tyson, are unindicted co-conspirators.

"I love you so much. You don't know how much I love your little brother and sister," she is heard telling Tyson. "We are all family."

She acknowledged Friday that she only spent time with Tyson once, while on a trip to Florida, but said it was a case of "loving someone without knowing them."

Defense attorneys contend the family had a history of ingratiating themselves with celebrities by presuming close relationships with people they barely knew, as part of a plot to bilk the celebrities out of money.

Mesereau repeatedly has told jurors the woman ripped off celebrities and other targets by exploiting her son's fight with cancer, and also has accused her of filing a past lawsuit that Mesereau says was bogus. The family received a settlement of more than $150,000 after alleging they were roughed up by department store security guards.

On Thursday, the accuser's mother pledged that she had no plans to sue the singer. The statement came after two days on the stand in which she delivered a story of Jackson's associates shuttling her family from one location to the next to protect them from "killers." She said Jackson's people never told her who the alleged killers were.

She testified that she never had a chance to seek help, and that even if she did, she doubted police would believe her story.

"Who could possibly believe this?" she said.

Jackson, 46, is charged with molesting a 13-year-old boy and keeping the youngster and his family captive.

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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
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Reply #58 posted 04/15/05 11:14am

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She acknowledged Friday that she only spent time with Tyson once, while on a trip to Florida, but said it was a case of "loving someone without knowing them."

falloff
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #59 posted 04/15/05 11:18am

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I hate saying the word MILF

what is a "milf"? (sorry, english isn´t my first language)
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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