squiddyren said:

so 7 out of 14 makes it a new jack album???

U obviously dont know anything about the MJ production or ud see he's hardly a trend follower - what 'trends' were followed with off the wall, thriller, bad ???? teaming up an with an old school producer like Quincy is hardly following a trend now is it dangerous (half as you view it) & invincble maybe but ....

kremlinshadow said:

No. I was just gladly correcting you on how much New Jack there really was.



I agree hooking up with Q was a smart and original move. What a shame MJ completely parted ways with him (musically, at least).

And I'll give MJ this: not all of "Dangerous", "HIStory", "BOTDF" (leftovers), and "Invincible" is trendy. The numbers outside of the New Jack Swing on "Dangerous", "Stranger In Moscow" and "Little Susie" (for examples) on "HIStory", "Morphine" (genius) on "BOTDF", and "Whatever Happens" (yes, for example) on "Invincible" feature him working without a hip Svengali and tapping into his own styles. Still, hooking up with the likes of Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis (his own sister's producers? ), and Rodney Jerkins show a bit of desperateness in my book nevertheless. He needed to simply make music after leaving Quincy rather than attempt to be hip and continue to dominate the mainstream.

Dangerous by a mile. I LOVE this CD. Next to Off The Wall, it may be Michael's best project.

Diamonds and Pearls, on the other hand, is almost entirely forgettable. The project annoyed me then, and it annoys me now. Fortunately, Prince redeemed himself with the CD.

kremlinshadow said:

OFf the Wall---uses conventional late 70's disco/funk instruments and arrangements. Burn this Disco Out anyone?? I could go on...

Thriller----As stated before, PYT, Baby Be Mine--both very much smack of that post disco early 80's dance sound that most R&B dance bands were doing at the time. Beat it??? How about that is MJ with a Killer Van HAlen (who were Gods in 1982) riff? The album was groundbreaking--but it also was very rooted in the sounds of that era. Contrast how conventional Thriller sounds with how unique and non conventional 1999 was.

Bad---- Drum machines, and late 80's dance/synth abound. Listen to the organ solo in the middle of the song BAD. Every dance group in the late 80's had that organ--Arsenio's house band had that organ synth noise.

Dangerous---Jam, Why you wanna Trip..., In the Closet, Can't Let her Getaway, Dangerous, Remember the Time, She Drives Me Wild,etc. All MJ/New Jack Swing.

By the way, what MPLS genius is MJ rippin' off with Why you wanna Trip on Me's guitar, and again in the "Black or White" rap???
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I agree that Michael has been known for selling out for years but this album sounds nothing like other music during that time. Believe me, I was absolutely sick and disgusted with music as a whole by the time 1995 rolled around because funk was dead and everything by most all artists was midtempo music over a weak ass hip hop beat. On "HIStory", Michael continued with uptempo jams. People everywhere were downing him for sounding like the 1980s.....hell, I was praising him for it. As far as putting those tired ass rappers on the album, hell, he's sold out for years using guest artists, I guess old habits are hard to break.

Now when I heard that tired weak ass lead single for "Invicible" that was all midtempo and hip hop sounding, I said the hell with buying that album. It's the only album of his that I don't have and don't plan to get.

same with MJ. who ever are the co-producers, in the end they carry the MJ signature

lilgish said:

HONESTLY, i never knew that,
how did u know about this?
do you know anything about the other video the storyline plot, style?

i know the one we see today was directed by David Fincher hence why its so dark and stylish..

Well I still think 'D&P' is the better album

DavidEye said:

moi aussi.

squiddyren said:

It was actually Rodney Jerkins who wanted to work with Mike, not the other way around. And whether you like the songs or not, those beats were banging.
Maybe there's just something wrong with my hearing but to me Invincible sounds quite different to everything else that was being done at that time. MJ's individual stamp is all over it. And I don't know why some people complain about him working with Teddy Riley, either. The four songs they did together on his last album (Heaven Can Wait, 2000 Watts, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens) were all stylistically different. And I like all four of them. Teddy's the kind of co-writer MJ needs to keep him from repeating himself.

Cloudbuster said:

Chico319 said:

Fuck you, bitch.

Cloudbuster said:

u wish

C*nt!

Chico319 said:

Dangerous. D&P sounds just a little more dated, Love Symbol was better.

threat said:

WTF??? Dangerous sounds WAAAAAY more dated than D&P. Prince has got some old soul sound and natural instruments running on that album. Dangerous is straight outta 1991.

DANGEROUS KICKS DIAMONDS & PEARLS' ASS!!!!!






DO U REMEMBER THE TIME?

skywalker said:

I disagree.

Songs like Daddy Pop, Push and Thunder sound more dated than the Destiny album.

Songs like In The Closet, Who Is It and Jam could be released today and would still sound as good as they did in 1991.

One thing I've never understood is why both MJ and Prince thought that using car horns in their songs was a good idea (Walk Don't Walk and She Drives Me Wild).

skywalker said:

I prefer hearing that new-Jack/MJ sound and Give in to me was awsome, I just prefer it mayne.

As much as I love Prince, I think DANGEROUS was the better album....D&P just had to many valleys for me and not enough peaks...

Dangerous is ten times better. I admit I like the New Jack sound. Who Is It was my shit. So was "I Can't Let Her Get Away" and "Keep it in the Closet". B&W, Jam and Heal the World were listenable. Best of all, Tony M was nowhere to be found.

Seriously though, Diamonds and Pearls is slowly growing on me. I might even like it in another 15 years. There are some good songs on there, but then there's Jughead, Push, and Willing and Able which I cringe at everytime I hear them.

EMattP said:

D&P

MattyJam said:

This is a tough one..so i pick both.