mrdespues said:

All those movies turn out one way: Pretty White People Confront Culture Clash.

If they reversed the races, it might be somewhat ORIGINAL.

VoicesCarry said:

was gwen as trendy as she is now, though? it seems like she's on the cover of every freakin' magazines these days. that means corporate radio has an incentive to play her now.
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VoicesCarry said:

"ALL THOSE MOVIES"? I'm sorry, but what a load of old horseshit. Name me a few that are similar and I will agree. People who don't get that movie are the same kind of people who don't get Beck.

mrdespues said:

You can be so fuckin' pretentious sometimes. The movie was very simple to "get". I was, however, totally uninterested in the characters, and I found they had nothing interesting to say. I had the same problem with Sofia Coppola's last overrated turd, The Virgin Suicides. If only she could write as well as she could generate hype.

Anyway, like you've never seen a culture clash flick. I don't have to detail the history of these films. The usual variant in America is White Person Must Deal With Black Culture. Stereotypes abound. Hell, one just opened at #1 at the box office last week: Guess Who?.
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VoicesCarry said:

i've been called a lot of things, but NEVER pretentious. you're just looking for that because I have better taste than you.

comparing Hollywood tripe to Lost In Translation is silly.

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mrdespues said:

You know, I just didn't find the film that deep. The ONLY thing I found interesting in there was the final scene, which was REALLY WELL done. Too bad it wasn't a payoff since I wasn't interested. To each his own.

And no, it's not silly to compare them - I wasn't comparing plots, or styles, or moods, I was comparing the basic concept of culture clash that pops up so often in films. It is almost always from the white protagonist's point of view.
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VoicesCarry said:

Hmm, well what about Coming To America? And I'm sure there are lots of others. Why single out "culture-clash" movies? There are PLENTY of movies that rehash old ideas...and it'll always be that way. The difference with Lost In Translation was that it had a big heart, but was understated and artistic. Go ahead and call me pretentious for liking that kind of thing.

mrdespues said:

I called you pretentious because you often consider your taste some sort of litmus test for everyone else's intelligence. That's pretentious.

As I said, to each his own. If you like the movie and Beck, that's great for you.

The characters in LIT didn't appeal to me at all - they weren't involving. The film was shot and paced nicely, but I think it was a lot less profound than it aspired to be (ex. that conversation near the end where they're lying on the bed and he informs her that Life Doesn't Always Turn Out How You Want It Or Expect It - I yawned). I'm sure we'd agree on many other films.

VoicesCarry said:

Bill Murray is hardly pretty, and it's made for an American market.

i disliked lost in translation. if it had not been sofia coppola directing (and having access to the coppola money, name, and connections) it would not have been so hyped. period. very average movie.

VoicesCarry said:

sorry, you've got me wrong. i don't do that. that's a bit of a harsh accusation.



probably.

Tessa said:

Scarlett Johanssen isn't stunning?

And, yes, it's made for an American market - are we not at the point where whites are comfortable with watching other races on the screen yet? Not to mention the fact that whites don't constitute all of America.

VoicesCarry said:

no, but they are Americans, and it's made for Americans, so it's going to be told from the point of view of the Americans involved. it is the story of them, not the other way around.


and no, Scarlett Johanssen isn't stunning. she's lovely, but not a knock-out.

Tessa said:

Hmm, you're a female, probably straight....I'll take it as read that you're not seeing what I'm seeing!

mrdespues said:

Tessa said:

Well, I think Americans are mature enough to be able to watch the reverse (and original) scenario. Whether or not it would be bankrolled is another matter.

mrdespues said:

Nice jab at me. Little upset over that Beck thread are we?.

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/139405

I was fair as possible and asked a general question to better understand why people thought beck was so great. It might be anathema to suggest he's anything but great, but I coulda been much worse about it.


Beck

I didn’t say Lost in Translation was a bad movie. It's an average film, better than Virgin Suicides, but by no means a classic. Let’s stop pretending it was some precious art film on a shoestring budget just because Murray and the stars went without perks for a few days; it was hardly a gorilla production.

You would think a girl with her looks and pedigree would have more interesting things to say, guess not.

VoicesCarry said:

You mean to tell me you're not gay?

lilgish said:

The Office.

lilgish said:

My! Aren't WE sensitive today. It wasn't a jab at you AT ALL.

Btw, shows how in touch you are....that's not Beck in that animation. It's Napoleon Dynamite.

I don't think Lost In Translation is a classic...yet. It only came out a few years ago and it wasn't without its flaws I admit. But they were few and far between IMO....some day it could be considered a classic though....easily. Age can do really good things to a movie or really bad...we'll have to wait and see.

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GangstaFam said:

wow. a few people here haven't seen Napoleon Dynamite yet.

mrdespues said:

You're right. I haven't yet. But it still looks like The Office dance.

People go crazy over this song in the club. I mean CRAZAY

Janfriend said:

Yeah, it's the perfect drunk song, that's for sure.

mrdespues said:

all of that is true. on the other hand, could just be that you're a horny pervert.





actually, that's probably the most unattractive i've ever seen her.

Tessa said:[quote]

mrdespues said:

what the fuck is YOUR problem, Tessa? calling me a PERVERT because I find a girl attractive?! shame on you.

She's an attractive girl, end of story.

mrdespues said:

i just said it was a possiblity. seems i hit a nerve....

I didn't know her tits were that big.....but then, who am I to know? Scarlett is hot in my book.....because she's lovely!

Tessa said:

just think before you judge.