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Reply #150 posted 04/09/05 2:25pm

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I wish I had someone to hold my umbrella sad
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Day 27: Former Employees Sold False Stories to Fund Suit Against Mr. Jackson, Jackson Won


Created: Friday, 08 April 2005

Thursday, April 7, 2005
Day 27 of Michael Jackson’s trial featured testimony from a security guard that had been fired for stealing at Mr. Jackson’s ranch before he ever brought any accusations against Mr. Jackson.

The former security guard, Ralph Chacon, was attacked by Mr. Jackson's lawyer as making the whole thing up "to get even." Defense attorney Thomas Mr. Mesereau Jr. accused Chacon of having tried to "extort" $16 million from Mr. Jackson in a lawsuit and lengthy trial that he and the former maid lost, forcing Chacon into bankruptcy.

"After a six-month trial, this is a good way to get even with him, isn't it?" said Mr. Mesereau, drawing a strong objection from the prosecution.

Mr. Jackson's lawyers exposed Ralph Chacon, painting him as a cash-strapped, disgruntled former employee who was out to extort Mr. Jackson.

The boy, that Chacon says he saw engaged in what he defines as ‘inappropriate behavior’ with Mr. Jackson, received a financial settlement, from Mr. Jackson in 1994. The boy did not cooperate with a police investigation and no charges were filed against Mr. Jackson. The boy is not scheduled to testify in the trial.

Adrian McManus, a Mr. Jackson maid between 1990 and 1994, also testified Thursday that she saw Mr. Jackson kiss Macaulay Culkin on the cheek while his hand was on Culkin's bottom. The defense has asserted that Culkin has repeatedly said he was never molested, and a spokeswoman for the actor has said he has no plans to be part of the case.

But McManus also testified that when subpoenaed in the lawsuit that resulted in the 1994 settlement she did not tell attorneys that she had seen Mr. Jackson touching the boy.

"I didn't tell the truth. I said I didn't see anything," she said.

Chacon also acknowledged he was ordered to pay $25,000 for allegedly stealing Mr. Jackson's property, which Chacon said was only a candy bar, and that he and others, including McManus, were ordered to pay more than $1.4 million in a judgment won by Mr. Jackson. Chacon said he had not paid anything because he filed for bankruptcy.

Lead defense lawyer Thomas Mr. Mesereau pointed out that Chacon and other former Neverland employees had lost a wrongful dismissal lawsuit against Mr. Jackson and that trial jurors found they had acted with malice toward Mr. Jackson.

In heated cross-examination, Chacon acknowledged that when he and other employees decided to sue Mr. Jackson they consulted a lawyer who told them the only way they could fund the suit was to sell stories to tabloids. He said they sold a story for $17,000 and all the money went to the lawyer.

Mr. Mesereau pressed him on whether he drafted the story at the lawyer's office.

"I probably did," said Chacon. "It's been a long time."

"Well, it's no longer than some of these events you claim to have witnessed with Mr. Jackson," Mr. Mesereau replied.

The witness paused and said, "I probably did. I did."

He fended off Mr. Mesereau's suggestions that he has added "more lurid facts" each time he has told his story, but he acknowledged that this week he met with Sneddon and gave him additional details.

"Did you say you forgot to say things about Mr. Mr. Jackson molesting young men in 1993?" asked Mr. Mesereau.

"Yes, sir," said the witness.

"And now you remember them in 2005?" Mr. Mesereau said.

"Vaguely, yes," Chacon said.

Contrary to news reports, Mr. Jackson’s mother left the courtroom during her son's child molestation trial last week to use the rest room — not to avoid hearing graphic testimony.

"Accusing me of leaving due to graphic testimony when I simply went to the rest room is not fair, not accurate," she said in a written statement.

Katherine Jackson stepped out during a break when attorneys were meeting in the judge's chambers. When she tried to re-enter, the jury had already been seated and she had to wait until the next break.

Source: MJJsource / AP




Day 28: 'But your idea of justice was millions of bucks?' Defense Exposes Former Employees



Created: Saturday, 09 April 2005

Friday, April 8, 2005
On Day 28 Michael Jackson's former maid testified Friday at the singer's child molestation trial that she and other employees of the pop star used a "media broker" to sell stories to tabloids including one claiming inside knowledge of Mr. Jackson's sex life with ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley.

Adrian McManus, who earlier testified for the prosecution that she saw Mr. Jackson in compromising positions with young boys, insisted under cross-examination that she was not out to get Mr. Jackson's money even when she and four other Neverland employees sued him for millions.

"I wanted justice," she said of the suit, which backfired and resulted in a large judgment against the plaintiffs.

"But your idea of justice was millions of bucks?" asked Mr. Jackson lawyer Thomas Mr. Mesereau Jr.

"That's not what I call justice," said the witness. "Honestly, a simple 'sorry for what we did to you' would have been enough for me."

But Mr. Mesereau noted that McManus and the others spent many months and large amounts of money pursuing their suit against Mr. Jackson, and he elicited from her the fact that they went to tabloids to fund their lawsuit.

McManus acknowledged that she signed agreements with the Star and the Splash media and picture agency to sell purported secrets about Mr. Jackson's life with Presley.

Mr. Jackson married Presley in May 1994. Presley filed for divorce in January 1996, saying they had formally separated the previous month. McManus was a Neverland maid from 1990 to 1994.

"Do you recall trying to sell what you called Mr. Jackson's sex secrets?" Mr. Mesereau asked McManus.

"Something like that," she said.

She identified in court the contract with Star.

"And you were quoted in a Star story with the headline, 'Kinky secrets of Michael and Lisa Marie's bedroom,' " Mr. Mesereau said.

"I didn't say that," the witness insisted, adding, "A lot of times with those tabloids they say other stuff."

But she acknowledged that during the time she was at Neverland she saw Presley visit and that through a media broker she offered the tabloids information on the relationship.

"And in that contract you agreed to provide information on Mr. Jackson's relationship with Lisa Marie Presley?" Mr. Mesereau asked.

"Yes," she said, and also confirmed that a security guard, Ralph Chacon, signed the contract as well.

Another ex-employee took the stand against Mr. Jackson Friday testifying that he once saw Mr. Jackson with his hand inside child star Macaulay Culkin's shorts but didn't tell anyone because "nobody would have ever believed this."

Macaulay Culkin has repeatedly denied anything inappropriate happened.

Phillip LeMarque, who said he and his wife worked for Mr. Jackson for 10 months in 1991, said he never made his allegations until 1993, when authorities came to him in connection with another child's claims against Mr. Jackson.

Under cross-examination by Mr. Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr., LeMarque acknowledged that he and his wife considered selling the story to the tabloids and that he told an intermediary he wanted $500,000.

LeMarque said he and his wife sued Mr. Jackson after they quit, claiming they were owed overtime pay. He said the lawsuit was settled.

During a break in testimony, Judge Rodney Melville barred the defence from raising the issue of LeMarque's later work as the operator of a pornographic Web site.



Source: MJJsource / AP


FOX 411: D.A.'s Witnesses Admit Lying


Created: Sunday, 10 April 2005

Friday, April 08, 2005
By Roger Friedman

The prosecution put on two witnesses yesterday in the Michael Jackson child molestation trial, each determined to demolish the defense.

At first the prosecution's plan looked good. But then defense attorney Tom Mesereau came twirling onto the court, and the rest is history.

Mesereau's big moment came at 9:35 a.m. PDT.

With 10 minutes to go before the first break in the morning session, Mesereau knew that he had to act fast to counter former Neverland security guard Ralph Chacon's testimony, which included two instances of child molestation described in graphic detail.

The episodes were so intense and unsavory that they sent Jackson's mother Katherine Jackson fleeing from the courtroom. That left only brother Tito Jackson to stand by the pop star during perhaps his worst-ever moments in a court room.
(Father Joseph Jackson was in Las Vegas on business, according to sources.)

Mesereau had no time to waste. The jury, the judge, the press and the public had just heard Chacon reel off what might have been a scenario from a porn novel issued by the National Man Boy Love Association.

Chacon said that he saw Jackson perform oral sex on a boy, among other upsetting things. When Chacon described a second episode, in which Jackson was "passionately kissing" the boy in front of a Peter Pan display, even Tito left the courtroom.

Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon asked Chacon why he'd never mentioned the latter incident in previous depositions.

"Who would believe me?" Chacon responded.

For a minute, the answer was everyone. The shock of his vulgar description was just enough to get the attention of all in the room.

But then came Mesereau, driving hard down the court like Michael Jordan.
Armed with Chacon's deposition from the 1994 "Neverland Five" case, in which former Jackson employees unsuccessfully sued the singer for wrongful termination and harassment, Mesereau didn't take long to make mincemeat of the witness.

Suddenly Chacon's every answer was "I don't know" when Mesereau plied him for details of the famous lawsuit, the longest civil trial in Santa Maria history.

"The jury said you stole and acted with malice," said Mesereau. "There was a judgment against you for fraud. Do you recall stipulating that you acted with fraud, oppression and malice?"

Suddenly Chacon, who claimed to have a clear memory seeing Jackson in a criminally incriminating situation, could not remember a thing.

He couldn't recall the exact amount each defendant in the dismissal case was ordered to pay Jackson ($1.4 million), or a judgment against Chacon in another case ($2,600), or his telling a doctor that he'd rather get $1 million than work again.

Even when Mesereau, in a flamboyant but familiar lawyerly move, showed him his contradictory depositions from a year ago, Chacon was flummoxed.

Did he remember his lawyer saying he wanted $16 million for the five former employees?

"No," said Chacon.

Mesereau showed him his deposition. The ex-security guard, now a substitute teacher, had an epiphany.

"Now I see it," he declared.

Did Chacon recall saying in his deposition that Michael Jackson used to stare continuously at him? That he stared at no one else?

The witness, in a rare moment of clarity, explained: "I said it just to say it."

Those ten minutes were perhaps the most crucial in Michael Jackson's life.

Things went just as badly for former personal maid Adrian McManus.

Even though her appearance and demeanor were a marked improvement over Chacon's, her forceful testimony was cut to shreds by Mesereau quickly. At one point, jurors started looking around the room rather than pay attention to her.

This happened after the umpteenth time Mesereau — by now riffing on the "May I refresh your memory by showing you that page from your deposition?" routine — sauntered over to the witness stand, book in hand.

McManus should have been a reliable, prepared witness.

Mesereau got her to admit she'd had a three-hour meeting the night with prosecutors on Wednesday night, just before her testimony Thursday morning.

Even under direct questioning, her natural bubbly personality had been supplanted by somber tones. And it didn't help that Mesereau knew a lot of dirt about her past.

He avoided any reference to her direct testimony that McManus claimed she'd seen four boys — including Macaulay Culkin — share Jackson's bed. Instead he pounced on her personal credibility.

Among McManus's "secrets": She and her husband were sued by their sister-in-law, who won a judgment against them of $30,584.89. The crime? They "willfully and maliciously defrauded" the woman's children after her husband died and the couple served as their guardians.

In the Jackson dismissal case, Mesereau revealed that McManus had stolen an ink drawing of Elvis Presley done by Jackson and sold it — her contribution to the "fraud, oppression and malice" part of the case, which also included fellow former employees Chacon, Melanie Bagnall, Sandi Domz and Kassim Abdool.

Part of what Mesereau was able to establish with McManus and Chacon was their unwillingness to work with or for a new Jackson's security team, which was installed in 1994.

Called the Office of Special Services, or "OSS," the internal Neverland outfit was run by longtime Jackson crony Bill Bray. Fearing disloyalty after the Chandler scandal broke in 1993, Bray brought in his own security force to run roughshod over the Neverland staff.

The result was much as it is presently at Neverland — fear and loathing rules, with no one in charge. It's a management style made for disaster.

McManus's final half hour on the stand was almost painful. She was reminded of a statement she'd made in a deposition about the alarm system for Jackson's
bedroom: "When you're a celebrity, you lead a difficult life. People kill celebrities. That little sensor benefits him for his life."

She also admitted to having lied in the Chandler v. Jackson civil suit a decade ago.
In that case, she claimed she'd never seen any kids sleeping in Jackson's room.
She'd also said that June Chandler, mother of the kid who eventually got a $20 million settlement from Jackson, had brought her son's clothes to Jackson's room, knowing full well he'd be staying there.

Mesereau said: "You're saying you committed perjury in the Chandler deposition?"

McManus: "The whole time [I lied]."

Mesereau: "Knowing that it was a crime?"

McManus: "I didn't think of it that way."

By then, the jury had long forgotten about Chacon's pornographic musings.

FOX NEWS
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #152 posted 04/11/05 10:47am

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Prosecution has trouble with another witness in Jackson case

TIM MOLLOY

Associated Press


SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The prosecution in the Michael Jackson case ran into another problem Monday when a witness did not testify as expected that he may have seen the pop star lick a boy's head in the 1990s.

Prosecutors in the child molestation trial called Bob Jones, Jackson's former publicist, to the stand to testify about an alleged incident on a flight from Paris to Los Angeles.

They wanted Jones to testify that Jackson licked the boy's head to show a pattern of behavior. Jackson is alleged to have licked the head of his current accuser on a flight from Miami to Santa Barbara in February 2003.

But when asked if he had seen Jackson lick the boy, Jones responded, "No, sir."

Prosecutor Gordon Auchincloss then asked whether Jones had said during an interview with Auchincloss, Jones' attorney and a sheriff's investigator that he may have seen Jackson lick the boy's head.

"I was very adamant in saying I was not sure," Jones said. "I don't recall anything about licking. ... I don't recall ever seeing any head licking."

Jones was only the most recent prosecution witness to testify differently than prosecutors had hoped.

Previously, Jackson's former house manager testified as a prosecution witness that he had brought wine and soda to Jackson and several boys. Witness Jesus Salas had only told investigators that he brought wine, but said on the stand that he just remembered the sodas.

Jones said he had observed some other physical contact between Jackson and the boy, who received a multimillion-dollar settlement after accusing the pop star of molestation and subsequently declined to participate in a law enforcement investigation of that case.

Jones said that at the World Music Awards in Monaco the boy sat on Jackson's lap and the boy's sister also sat on the singer's lap for a time. He characterized Jackson and the boy as inseparable during the trip and said that on the flight back they huddled closely together as they slept.

Auchincloss then read an excerpt from a book Jones is writing about his experiences with Jackson.

"They were holding each other tightly, almost in a romantic sense," Auchincloss quoted from the book, which also said Jackson and the boy were cooing and kissing and that Jackson licked the boy's head.

Auchincloss asked Jones whether the passage in the book was accurate.

"Yes, with reservations," Jones said.

When the defense objected to several questions, Auchincloss said he was asking for the sake of impeachment.

On cross-examination by Jackson attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr., Jones testified that his co-writer completes passages of the book and that he then checks them for accuracy.

Jones said that he had not yet reviewed the section Auchincloss read in court and that it was not accurate.

Mesereau also noted that Jones had not been sworn to tell the truth when working on the book.

"When you were dealing with your co-writer and publisher you were not under oath, and of course today you are," Mesereau said.

Jones agreed.

Prosecutors are presenting witnesses from Jackson's past to show he has a pattern of inappropriate behavior with boys and to help the credibility of his current accuser.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a 13-year-old former cancer patient, plying the boy with alcohol, and holding his family captive in February and March 2003 to get them to help rebut a damaging documentary.

On Sunday, Jackson's mother issued a statement explaining her reasons for leaving the courtroom during testimony Thursday.

Katherine Jackson, who has been present for every day of her son's child molestation trial, said many media outlets misinterpreted her absence from the courtroom as a reaction to testimony. She said she left to use the bathroom.

"I am only asking for fair and accurate reporting," she said in a statement released by a family spokeswoman. "Accusing me of leaving due to graphic testimony when I simply went to the rest room is not fair, not accurate."

The Associated Press did not report on her absence from court.


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Reply #153 posted 04/11/05 10:51am

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jayaredee said:

I wish I had someone to hold my umbrella sad


Well when you sell an album as big as Thriller...you can even get someone to wipe your ass for you if you want.

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Reply #154 posted 04/11/05 11:07am

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June Chandler is on the stand.
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Reply #155 posted 04/11/05 11:08am

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More Bad News
Jacko 'Major-Domo' Lied About Cashing In


Monday, April 11, 2005

By Roger Friedman


Jacko 'Major-Domo' Lied About Cashing In


Former self-described Neverland Ranch "major domo" Philip LeMarque told a lot of tall tales on the witness stand last week.


On Friday, LeMarque pretended he was above selling stories about his former employer's alleged acts of child molestation to the tabloids.


LeMarque, who worked for Michael Jackson, along with his wife Stella LeMarque, for 10 months in 1990 and 1991, testified that he had only once tried to peddle a story about his ex-boss and Macaulay Culkin. That would have been in 1993, and to the National Enquirer.


In truth, LeMarque's relationship with the scurrilous rag dated back two years earlier to 1991, when the couple first tried to sell a Jackson story to the Enquirer. LeMarque didn't tell the jury that little tidbit on Friday.


LeMarque also failed to mention that in October 1991, he had taken money from the Enquirer to sneak its reporters on to the Neverland property for Elizabeth Taylor's wedding to her last husband, Larry Fortensky.




He also left out an important element of his failed bid to sell the Enquirer his Jackson-Culkin story in 1993.


On the stand, LeMarque testified that he dropped the idea altogether when it didn't look as if he would get his asking price of $500,000.


In fact, LeMarque and his lawyer, Arnold Kessler — whom LeMarque described on the stand as his "friend" and not his actual rep — were demanding the Enquirer indemnify them against future lawsuits from Jackson, because the LeMarques were breaking the confidentiality agreement they had signed upon taking employment at Neverland.


The paper refused, and thus the deal ended.


The whole story of the 1991 and 1993 negotiations is included on eye-opening tape recordings made in secret by late Enquirer reporter Jim Mitteager.


He bequeathed the tapes to investigator Paul Barresi, who spent a year and a half transcribing and editing them. The hundreds of hours of recordings describe the Enquirer's unsavory tactics dealing with sources, subjects and the police.


What Barresi found, among other things, is that the Enquirer routinely turned over its notes to police after it was done with them.


The tabloid was thus able to avoid lawsuits by claiming it got its information from police sources. This was a clever tactic, but the complete opposite of what actually happened.


Barresi's findings clearly show that Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon may be basing much of his "mini-trial" of prior allegations of child molestation by Jackson on National Enquirer reporting from the early 1990s.


But listening to Barresi and Mitteager's tapes reveals the dark side of the tabloid's inner workings.


While Mitteager may have performed a historically important service by making the tapes, he comes across on them as desperate to get anyone to say anything incriminating about Jackson.


Alas, after years of dangling huge sums in front of potential sources, Mitteager and the Enquirer were never able to come up with anything substantial.


The tapes paint quite a different account of the story LeMarque told to jurors and the court on Friday. They show that Enquirer editors thought of the LeMarques as hustlers who would go to the highest bidder with any story.


When LeMarque was asked, during cross-examination by defense attorney Tom Mesereau, why he didn't take his tale of Jackson molesting Culkin to the police instead of going straight to the tabloids, LeMarque replied that nobody would have believed him.


Barresi, an expert on the "underbelly" of this world, laughed at this statement.


"Every single witness testifying against Michael Jackson claims they did not call the cops because nobody, with the exception of tabloid reporters flashing big bucks, would ever believe them," he said.


Barresi says LeMarque didn't go to the police because he had already been to the Enquirer with the same story in 1991, when he and his wife were dismissed from Neverland.


On Aug. 26, 1993, Mitteager is heard telling The Globe's John Bell: "[Tony] Brennor [also of The Globe] did an interview two years ago. He can't find the tape. The sources are gone. They were two former housekeepers, saying that he [Jackson] was fondling kids all the time ... saying that he abused kids ... He was trying to cut a deal and it blew up somehow."


Mitteager says to Bell at another point in the conversation: "[Globe reporter] Mike Carrigan had this story years before, but it went belly-up because it was so legally dicey."


Barresi plays an integral role in the story of the tabloids, the LeMarques and Mitteager's tapes. He tells me that he met and dated Stella LeMarque, then surnamed "Marcroft," before she married Philip LeMarque.


Stella LeMarque knew Barresi worked with the tabloids and came to him a few years later to ask if he could help broker their sale of the Jackson story. Barresi says he did not discover that the LeMarques had already tried this in 1991 until years later, when he heard Mitteager discussing it on the tapes.


More light is shed on the LeMarques' 1991 attempt to cash in on Jackson from the conversation Mitteager taped of himself and Enquirer editor Robert Taylor on Aug. 31, 1993.


Mitteager says to Taylor: "They are also aware that you sit down and write contracts and sometimes don't publish the article. They know that too, you know what I mean? Because that's what happened to them last time."


Enquirer contracts at the time were worded in such a way that sources like the LeMarques were not guaranteed payment unless their stories checked out. And even then, the paper was not required to pay until the issue with the relevant story was off the shelves.


According to a source, snitches were often shocked to find the great amounts of money they were promised were not guaranteed.


What Barresi is sure of is that in October 1991, the LeMarques, freshly dismissed from Neverland, offered to sneak the Enquirer on to the property for the Taylor-Fortensky wedding.


"They were wined and dined by the Enquirer and loved it," Barresi says. "They really carried on and said they knew a way the paper could sneak people on to the ranch. They were paid by the paper in advance, but at the last minute they backed out."


The LeMarques, Barresi says, didn't mention anything in 1991 about Culkin. That part of the story only surfaced in 1993, after Jackson's unrelated child-molestation civil suit surfaced.


But then, the story had Jackson's hands remaining on the outside of Culkin's shorts. As the potential for higher payment increased, the hand went inside the shorts, Barresi said
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Reply #156 posted 04/11/05 11:13am

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Read that report just a few above this one.

All I have to say is...

A decent person would have gone to the authorities immediately once they saw a child was in danger.

So do you guys think that his ex employees were scumbags before he hired them or after...when they realized they could sponge off of this guy.

I really hope that one of the outcomes of this trial is that people are seeing/hearing this testamony of how just about everyone in the MJ camp and beyond...that all they want to do is get rich off of him...it's disgusting. Who hires these people? Is MJ THAT bad at recognizing good characters?

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Reply #157 posted 04/11/05 11:27am

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ANd again...with feeling...THESE ARE PROSECUTION WITNESSES????

Half of them have admitted to perjury!!!

Mesereau said: "You're saying you committed perjury in the Chandler deposition?"

McManus: "The whole time [I lied]."

Mesereau: "Knowing that it was a crime?"

McManus: "I didn't think of it that way."


eek eek eek This case should be tossed OUT!

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Reply #158 posted 04/11/05 12:06pm

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superspaceboy said:

Read that report just a few above this one.

All I have to say is...

A decent person would have gone to the authorities immediately once they saw a child was in danger.

So do you guys think that his ex employees were scumbags before he hired them or after...when they realized they could sponge off of this guy.

I really hope that one of the outcomes of this trial is that people are seeing/hearing this testamony of how just about everyone in the MJ camp and beyond...that all they want to do is get rich off of him...it's disgusting. Who hires these people? Is MJ THAT bad at recognizing good characters?


I don't think he has the time to get to know them all like that. I'd really like to know how many people work for him (at his property).
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Reply #159 posted 04/11/05 12:20pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

superspaceboy said:

Read that report just a few above this one.

All I have to say is...

A decent person would have gone to the authorities immediately once they saw a child was in danger.

So do you guys think that his ex employees were scumbags before he hired them or after...when they realized they could sponge off of this guy.

I really hope that one of the outcomes of this trial is that people are seeing/hearing this testamony of how just about everyone in the MJ camp and beyond...that all they want to do is get rich off of him...it's disgusting. Who hires these people? Is MJ THAT bad at recognizing good characters?


I don't think he has the time to get to know them all like that. I'd really like to know how many people work for him (at his property).


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Reply #160 posted 04/11/05 12:30pm

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AP just reported that June Chandler (93 mother) said she let her son and his brother stay with Jackson.


BIG PROBLEM !!!!!

He doesn't have a brother, he has a sister. The mother said she let Jackson stay with Jordy and his sister in the same room.

I guess now the press is changing testimony.

MJ fans know both children, as we have seen the famous footage of them at the wma's and MJ carrying the little girl as Chandler walks by his side.
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Reply #161 posted 04/11/05 12:37pm

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Are you totally sure about that? The mother doesn't know her children's sexes? Sounds as unlikely as some of the previous testimony.
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Reply #162 posted 04/11/05 12:37pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

superspaceboy said:

Read that report just a few above this one.

All I have to say is...

A decent person would have gone to the authorities immediately once they saw a child was in danger.

So do you guys think that his ex employees were scumbags before he hired them or after...when they realized they could sponge off of this guy.

I really hope that one of the outcomes of this trial is that people are seeing/hearing this testamony of how just about everyone in the MJ camp and beyond...that all they want to do is get rich off of him...it's disgusting. Who hires these people? Is MJ THAT bad at recognizing good characters?


I don't think he has the time to get to know them all like that. I'd really like to know how many people work for him (at his property).


Why is there NO control at Neverland? It seems like it ought to be run as a business. Sounds like things are out of control over there...always.

Prince seemed to have the same thing going at PP back during the "dark" years. Hopefully he has lent the whole management over to someone who can handle such things.

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Reply #163 posted 04/11/05 12:48pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Are you totally sure about that? The mother doesn't know her children's sexes? Sounds as unlikely as some of the previous testimony.


It's a media misquote.

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Reply #164 posted 04/11/05 12:59pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Are you totally sure about that? The mother doesn't know her children's sexes? Sounds as unlikely as some of the previous testimony.


she said sister, AP falsely reported it as brother...
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Reply #165 posted 04/11/05 2:43pm

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June Chandler is a volitile witness for the prosecution...
under the right cross examination
she can turn into a defense wittness
she originally opposed the 93 allegations
that was before the settlement....
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Reply #166 posted 04/11/05 2:44pm

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What else did she say?
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Reply #167 posted 04/11/05 2:58pm

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Michael Jackson arrives at court Monday.



SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- The mother of a boy who alleged Michael Jackson molested him in 1993 testified Monday that she allowed her son to start spending nights alone with the pop star after a sobbing Jackson pleaded with her to let them sleep together.

Taking the stand in Jackson's child molestation trial, the mother said she initially refused Jackson's requests for them to spend nights together. But she said she relented during a trip to Las Vegas in March 1993, after Jackson -- whom she described as "sobbing, crying, shaking and trembling" -- confronted her.

"You don't trust me. We're a family," she quoted the entertainer as saying. "There's nothing wrong. There's nothing going on. Why don't you trust me?"

After 30 to 40 minutes of pleading, the mother said she relented, and the singer and child then began sleeping in the same bed on nights when they were together. The boy was 13 at the time.

She said Jackson would visit the family's home in Santa Monica to spend the night with her son, leave in the morning after he went to school and then return in the afternoon when the boy came home. There was only one bed in the boy's room, she said.

By the fall of 1993, the mother said she became concerned about what was going on because her son had become withdrawn, sullen and "was not wanting to be with us anymore." She said he began dressing like Jackson and was "not as sweet as he normally was."

"[He] was spending too much time with Michael Jackson, and I was upset," she said. "I wanted my son back. ... It was getting out of hand."

In 1994, the boy's family reached a confidential multimillion-dollar settlement with Jackson over molestation allegations, in which Jackson did not admit guilt. Now 25, the alleged victim has decided not to testify in Jackson's trial because he does not want to get involved in the media spectacle surrounding it, his uncle has told CNN.

The 46-year-old singer is accused of molesting a different boy -- now 15 years old -- at Neverland Ranch, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold his family captive in 2003.

Jackson has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Monday's testimony was part of an effort by the prosecution to use past allegations against Jackson to try to prove the singer had a pattern of grooming boys for sexual abuse.

CNN::

March to June...
than 3 monthes later Evan calls june about the molestation...
3 month gap,
mmmm doesn'r add up short time table
Prosecution barking up the wrong tree
June is lying for the prosecution....
measserau is going to shred her to pieces
no mention of Evan... mmmm
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Reply #168 posted 04/11/05 4:25pm

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Slow news day in respectof the cross examination. This is all i've been able to find -

Mez ask June the following:

didn't you tell Michael Jackson, look, I've had two husbands I couldn't trust. I think you're a wonderful person but I can't let my trust down. Yes, she said, I did say that. Well did you also say I have had men in my life that disappointed me. You say you're going to take care of us. There was a big objection. He also said -- isn't it true that Michael Jackson said to you you just -- he wants a family to treat him like a regular person. And he just simply asked you to trust him.

Interseting about the objection. Where was Mezereau going with that i wonder? hmm

June did get dates incorrect, she stated she confronted Michael as she "wanted her son back" in Sept '93. Wrong, Michael was in Asia on the second leg of the Dangerous tour at that time.

Unconfrmed report she said Jordy might testify, Pity Mezereau's first question to her under cross was "When was the last time you spoke to your son?". Her answer was "11 years ago".

Not as damaging a day as i thought it might be. Next! smile
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Reply #169 posted 04/11/05 4:37pm

Luv4oneanotha

Marrk said:

Slow news day in respectof the cross examination. This is all i've been able to find -

Mez ask June the following:

didn't you tell Michael Jackson, look, I've had two husbands I couldn't trust. I think you're a wonderful person but I can't let my trust down. Yes, she said, I did say that. Well did you also say I have had men in my life that disappointed me. You say you're going to take care of us. There was a big objection. He also said -- isn't it true that Michael Jackson said to you you just -- he wants a family to treat him like a regular person. And he just simply asked you to trust him.

Interseting about the objection. Where was Mezereau going with that i wonder? hmm

June did get dates incorrect, she stated she confronted Michael as she "wanted her son back" in Sept '93. Wrong, Michael was in Asia on the second leg of the Dangerous tour at that time.

Unconfrmed report she said Jordy might testify, Pity Mezereau's first question to her under cross was "When was the last time you spoke to your son?". Her answer was "11 years ago".

Not as damaging a day as i thought it might be. Next! smile
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If jordy testify's this could make or break the defense
I know in my heart that Jordy, Still doesn't know wtf happened in 93
im sure he doesn't even know if he was molested or not
He just wan'ts to be left alone...
If Jordy testifies...
Wow
this could be end game...

Lets get everything out in the open!
See i've never blamed Jordy, because of what happened in 93
i blame his parents
I think he secretly knows it as well hence he's lost contact with his father, mother and nearly everyone in his inner circle...
the guys a hermit
If he was really fed Sodium Amytal I'm sure he doesn't know what really happened...
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Reply #170 posted 04/11/05 4:59pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:

Marrk said:

Slow news day in respectof the cross examination. This is all i've been able to find -

Mez ask June the following:

didn't you tell Michael Jackson, look, I've had two husbands I couldn't trust. I think you're a wonderful person but I can't let my trust down. Yes, she said, I did say that. Well did you also say I have had men in my life that disappointed me. You say you're going to take care of us. There was a big objection. He also said -- isn't it true that Michael Jackson said to you you just -- he wants a family to treat him like a regular person. And he just simply asked you to trust him.

Interseting about the objection. Where was Mezereau going with that i wonder? hmm

June did get dates incorrect, she stated she confronted Michael as she "wanted her son back" in Sept '93. Wrong, Michael was in Asia on the second leg of the Dangerous tour at that time.

Unconfrmed report she said Jordy might testify, Pity Mezereau's first question to her under cross was "When was the last time you spoke to your son?". Her answer was "11 years ago".

Not as damaging a day as i thought it might be. Next! smile
[Edited 4/11/05 16:27pm]


If jordy testify's this could make or break the defense
I know in my heart that Jordy, Still doesn't know wtf happened in 93
im sure he doesn't even know if he was molested or not
He just wan'ts to be left alone...
If Jordy testifies...
Wow
this could be end game...

Lets get everything out in the open!
See i've never blamed Jordy, because of what happened in 93
i blame his parents
I think he secretly knows it as well hence he's lost contact with his father, mother and nearly everyone in his inner circle...
the guys a hermit
If he was really fed Sodium Amytal I'm sure he doesn't know what really happened...


He won't testify, he's ran away. He's not even in the States. I was making the point she's not spoken to her son in years and yet she thinks he might testify? How would she even know his mindset? He legally emancipated hinself from June and Evan years ago.

If there was an ounce of truth to this trial, this 25 year old man would be there, helping the Arvizo's and putting an end to evil old Michael.

He won't show, It's entirely possible he now knows nothing happened and he doesn't want to cause anymore hurt to Michael.

Enjoy the money kid. confused
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Reply #171 posted 04/11/05 5:28pm

Luv4oneanotha

Marrk said:

Luv4oneanotha said:



If jordy testify's this could make or break the defense
I know in my heart that Jordy, Still doesn't know wtf happened in 93
im sure he doesn't even know if he was molested or not
He just wan'ts to be left alone...
If Jordy testifies...
Wow
this could be end game...

Lets get everything out in the open!
See i've never blamed Jordy, because of what happened in 93
i blame his parents
I think he secretly knows it as well hence he's lost contact with his father, mother and nearly everyone in his inner circle...
the guys a hermit
If he was really fed Sodium Amytal I'm sure he doesn't know what really happened...


He won't testify, he's ran away. He's not even in the States. I was making the point she's not spoken to her son in years and yet she thinks he might testify? How would she even know his mindset? He legally emancipated hinself from June and Evan years ago.

If there was an ounce of truth to this trial, this 25 year old man would be there, helping the Arvizo's and putting an end to evil old Michael.

He won't show, It's entirely possible he now knows nothing happened and he doesn't want to cause anymore hurt to Michael.

Enjoy the money kid. confused

But ya got to sympathize with the kid...
he's went through some deep trauma...
I think he deserves the money...
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Reply #172 posted 04/11/05 5:52pm

Marrk

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Luv4oneanotha said:

Marrk said:



He won't testify, he's ran away. He's not even in the States. I was making the point she's not spoken to her son in years and yet she thinks he might testify? How would she even know his mindset? He legally emancipated hinself from June and Evan years ago.

If there was an ounce of truth to this trial, this 25 year old man would be there, helping the Arvizo's and putting an end to evil old Michael.

He won't show, It's entirely possible he now knows nothing happened and he doesn't want to cause anymore hurt to Michael.

Enjoy the money kid. confused

But ya got to sympathize with the kid...
he's went through some deep trauma...
I think he deserves the money...


Of course. I think it was all down to Evan.
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Reply #173 posted 04/12/05 2:15am

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will the cross examination of June continue today? Or is that it?

Mez ask June the following:

didn't you tell Michael Jackson, look, I've had two husbands I couldn't trust. I think you're a wonderful person but I can't let my trust down. Yes, she said, I did say that. Well did you also say I have had men in my life that disappointed me. You say you're going to take care of us. There was a big objection. He also said -- isn't it true that Michael Jackson said to you you just -- he wants a family to treat him like a regular person. And he just simply asked you to trust him.

this is interesting. MJ´s father claimed in a book recently published in Germany that MJ had a relationship with June. Maybe tha´t´s where Messarau was going. That´s what MJ fans speculate, but when you think about it why would she talk about two husbands? Maybe that trust MJ was asking for was not about his relationship with Jordan, but with her. I don´t know. What do you guys make of her mentioning her two husbands?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #174 posted 04/12/05 2:28am

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some pix biggrin I thikn he looks great. biggrin

nice suit, Mickey!!


June Chandler
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #175 posted 04/12/05 3:04am

CinisterCee

dag said:



June Chandler


here, wearing one of MJ's wigs? biggrin
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Reply #176 posted 04/12/05 3:41am

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Here´s a tramscript of the Joseph´s book.


Everything started when Michael's car got broken on Wilshire Boulevard. Near there has passed the employee of the companie selling second-hand cars, and has suggested Michael to take him with himself to that companie where he could rent other car. They specialized on renting not very fancy cars to celebritites so they could go anyplace without being afraid of fans. Dave, the owner of the companie, was there on this day and when my son has come, he at once has called his wife June to tell her who has visited him. June's son from the first marriage was a fan of Michael Jackson.
June Chandler Schwarz immideately came with her 2 children - 6-year old daughter from the marriage with Dave, and the son from the marriage with the dentist and the author of scripts Evan Chandler. June was an attractive woman - a former model with long dark hair was so beautiful, that her appearence in the street could paralyse the traffic. But even if Michael at once has taken a great interest in her, he never would be occurred with an idea of destroying the family. But both children have liked Michael, it happens to the majority of children.
Subsequently Michael who passionately wished to have his own family, has made friends with the Schwarz family, in fact June which undoubtedly too has liked my son, has willingly gave him her home phone number.
Michael paid attention to June and to her both children, flied with them to Monaco, went to Disneyland. He has not taken into consideration the meanness on Evan Chandler, the father of the boy.
Evan chandler had problems with his allowence of dental practise because he worked carelessly. When his marriage has broken up, June has acquired the right of trusteeship above their common son, and Chandler had to pay her the alimony, 500 dollars monthly. He nevertheless failed to pay the payments on time and when he has lifted the charges against my son, he owed June already 68 thousand dollars. I already then asked myself, whether it was the true reason of his sudden interest in my son.
Anyway, he has invited Michael to visit his and June son at their place, when he has heard about Michael's friendly manner with his former wife and their common child. He even has suggested, that Michael could reconstruct his house so that he could have his own room there. When the supervision of construction has forbidden it, he has demanded from my son to buy him a new house.
His behaviour was first of all therefore unusuall because he usually did not stand if his former wife had contacts with other men. Generally he was really jealous. And here he got a lawyer which was in the same time his patient - Barry Rothman. For Rothman the conflicts around of trusteeship were not something new. He already represented one woman in fierce quarrel for the right of trusteeship, and there he too with the help of the friend - therapist has proved, that the boy was molested by his father.
Let's return to June Chundler Schwarz which in the meantime has filed for divorce with Dave. Probably, she has fallen in love with Michael, or has allowed him to console herself because her marriage has failed, in any case Michael has invited her and her children to the ranch in Santa Barbara.
Then Michael already for a long time has finished the relationship with Tatum O'Neil, Brook Shilds, the young dancer, Stephanie of Monaco and some other women. Brook though carried his ring, has been in love with someone else. Michael has met with Madonna too once, but nothing came out of this story.
So Michael was free for June. Sometimes he visited her in her house in Santa Monica Canyones, sometimes she came on the ranch. He started to think about gathering with her and to adopt her children. When he has flown to Monaco to the World Music Awards, he has taken all the three with himself and introduce them to the princess Stephanie.
When Rothman has found out, that Michael Jackson is friends with the former wife of his dentist, he has offered the dantist his lawyer service.

taken from http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...topic=5280
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #177 posted 04/12/05 3:59am

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June Chandler


i thought she was a prosecution witness, but micahels bodyguard is right behind her, that means shes walking right in front of michael.....why would they make her do that
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Reply #178 posted 04/12/05 4:32am

LightOfArt

hellomoto said:


i thought she was a prosecution witness, but micahels bodyguard is right behind her, that means shes walking right in front of michael.....why would they make her do that
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maybe she wanted to be on tv wink
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Reply #179 posted 04/12/05 4:45am

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i thought she was a prosecution witness, but micahels bodyguard is right behind her, that means shes walking right in front of michael.....why would they make her do that

She doesn´t look bothered though. Lovers or not I wish I could see her and Mj´s reaction when they saw each other after 11 years after all that stuff.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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