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Reply #30 posted 04/01/05 9:50am

jayaredee

keir482 said:

lilgish said:


No, funny how oprah's not kissing his ass anymore...bout the only ass in hollywood she's not kissing.


Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.


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Totally agreed.
I love the man for his impact on dance and music but there is no way i can love the man. I think people havve just gotten so fed up with his lying and they've had enough of it.
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Reply #31 posted 04/01/05 9:57am

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RipHer2Shreds said:

Here's what she said in a 2003 Rolling Stone interview:

There were other fault lines opening. Jackson had asked her never to speak about him, and she felt he was taking liberties, particularly in a TV Guide story at the time. "He was quoting me, 'Lisa Marie told me Elvis had a nose job,' which is absolute bullshit," she says. "I think it justified something in his mind -- they were asking him about his plastic surgery. I read that, and I threw it across the kitchen. 'I told you what?'


Ok, well you got me with the direct quote lol.

But it is true about the surgery whether Lisa wants to admit it, or even knows about it.

Oh, and the "I don't suppose you would" comment... what I meant is that it is not something that is reported in the media. It is only known about in Elvis circles. Therefore someone who isn't a huge Elvis fan wouldn't know about it. But it has been confirmed by his best friend, the guy he went to get a nose job with, and also the best and most accurate biography on Elvis (Last Train To Memphis). Also by pictures.
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Reply #32 posted 04/01/05 10:45am

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For starters, in Lisa Marie's Rolling Stone interview, it goes into detail about how after the allegations surfaced and it looked like an extortion situation, Michael would call Lisa Marie frequently and confide in her. Then it's stated, "AT THIS POINT SHE WAS STILL MARRIED, AND THEY WERE YET TO BECOME GIRLFRIEND AND BOYFRIEND."


And this is what she said to Diane Sawyer in her first interview
Diane Sawyer: By the time Lisa Marie Presley married Michael Jackson, Jackson reportedly had been treated for addiction to painkillers. He was also under siege. He had been investigated for child molestation with a 12-year-old boy. Jackson settled a civil suit with the family reportedly for millions of dollars and his camp implied he was the victim of extortion.

Lisa Marie Presley: I was already friends with him, there was already some romantic stuff going on a little bit before that happened.
so how do you explain this:

No not for the publicity - it was for validation.
He needed to say to the world
"Here - I'm married - I don't diddle little boys!"


If hMJ didn´t love her at all, why he bother to call her after so many years to see if she was OK?

Diane Sawyer: Do you speak to him?
LMP: I spoke to him about 2 months ago after two years of not. I didn´t take phonecalls from him, but he kept calling so I took it out of the curiousity to see what the hell he wanted.
Diane Sawyer: And?
LMP: He just wanted to know if I was ok after the divorce - divorcing Nick.

source www.jetzi.cjb.net section interviews LMP talks to Diane Sawyer.

I am not saying that LMP or MJ was the victim. I don´t believe there were ANY victims. ALl I am saying is that MJ and LMP were probably just two ppl who fell in love, got married, but it didn´t work out as it didn´t work out for millions of other couples (even Pitt and Aniston got divorced). I am sure they both made a lot of mistakes adn that they both had their share in ther breaking-up, but I don´t see any victims. I just do not understand why it is so hard to accept that they could just love each other.

Besides guys, here are some pictures taken AFTER the divorce. I wish that at least ONE journalist would ask her why the hell did she travel the world so many times just to see him as seen over here.






Secondly, WHY is MJ being constantly hated for lying! Who in this whole wide world can say that you have NEVER EVER LIED???? Plus as if other ppl have not lied about similar things. Britney was supposed to be virgin and Mariah used to claim (I don´t know if she still does) that she never had breast implants etc. It is OK for all of those other ppl to lie but it makes MJ almost criminal.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #33 posted 04/01/05 11:13am

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Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.


Mike didn’t go on her show, her ass came out to neverland. It was a fluff interview, (not that it should have been hard hitting at the time), but Mike used Oprah to sell some more records and it worked at the time.

Laurarichardson said:

She is a billionaire. People are kissing her butt.


And she doesn’t reciprocate in kind?
[Edited 4/1/05 12:35pm]
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Reply #34 posted 04/01/05 11:23am

Luv4oneanotha

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- because you can get the logic behind MJ's actions? => the marriage with Debbie Rowe

- he wanted kids. that´s the logic I see behind it.
Fool, haven't you learned! Find some evidence before you start pointing allegations again. Maybe you'll be luckier then D.A. Tom Sneddon - Luv
and the result was this pathetic circus, I don't see Mayte or Bruce Springsteen's ex wife or Sean Penn selling their wedding ring on ebay, MJ deserves what he gets now so enough with the he's a victim everyone's naughty song please.

I wanted to ask you what you thought of her
she's fucked up too smile
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First of all,
Doesn't she have a New C.d. Coming out

isn't it justa little ironic, that everytime she has a C.D. out, MJ is the vehicle to promote her...

I hate the wench and her mother,
Fathers rolling in his grave...

she loved him, he couldn't love her
cause you can't love somebody when you love yourself so damn much
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Reply #35 posted 04/01/05 11:34am

RipHer2Shreds

keir482 said:

lilgish said:


No, funny how oprah's not kissing his ass anymore...bout the only ass in hollywood she's not kissing.


Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.

Funny how in the minds of a lot of ignorant people, these two things go hand in hand. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Reply #36 posted 04/01/05 11:57am

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Luv4oneanotha said:

isn't it justa little ironic, that everytime she has a C.D. out, MJ is the vehicle to promote her...


Its ironic that she is the daughter of the King of RnR
& all anyone wants to know is Did you have sex with MJ?
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Reply #37 posted 04/01/05 11:58am

Luv4oneanotha

RipHer2Shreds said:

keir482 said:



Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.

Funny how in the minds of a lot of ignorant people, these two things go hand in hand. You should be ashamed of yourself.

i didn't bother replying that because of the stupidity laced within it!

it never ceases to amaze how much ignorance their is,
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Reply #38 posted 04/01/05 11:59am

dag

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The man is not a virgin.

exactly
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #39 posted 04/01/05 12:03pm

jn2

Secondly, WHY is MJ being constantly hated for lying! Who in this whole wide world can say that you have NEVER EVER LIED???? Plus as if other ppl have not lied about similar things. Britney was supposed to be virgin and Mariah used to claim (I don´t know if she still does) that she never had breast implants etc. It is OK for all of those other ppl to lie but it makes MJ almost criminal.

you start a topic about MJ usual BS and you expect most us to agree with you that LM Presley is a bitch but MJ is an innocent angel?

I guess they were in love too? hehe
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Reply #40 posted 04/01/05 12:06pm

jn2

RipHer2Shreds said:

keir482 said:



Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.

Funny how in the minds of a lot of ignorant people, these two things go hand in hand. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Fact: Mj loves to sleep with by boys. Weren't girls 2nd class citizens in Neverland?
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Reply #41 posted 04/01/05 12:07pm

RipHer2Shreds

Luv4oneanotha said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


Funny how in the minds of a lot of ignorant people, these two things go hand in hand. You should be ashamed of yourself.

i didn't bother replying that because of the stupidity laced within it!

it never ceases to amaze how much ignorance their is,

Well, now that I've got you on my side... wink
You insinuated that she uses MJ as a vehicle to sell her records. I think you're really reaching for that conclusion. She's not the one asking the questions. She's answering them. She could refuse to answer them, but why bother?
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Reply #42 posted 04/01/05 12:07pm

Luv4oneanotha

thedoorkeeper said:

Luv4oneanotha said:

isn't it justa little ironic, that everytime she has a C.D. out, MJ is the vehicle to promote her...


Its ironic that she is the daughter of the King of RnR
& all anyone wants to know is Did you have sex with MJ?

Not entirely true...

That lack luster C.D. she released, was promoted just on MJ
and the sorry thing is not one reporter asked her about MJ
she offered it up, for promotion
back when everybody wanted to know circa 94 through 2000
she has nothing to say
now everytime she releases new material, she can give up anything

Hypocrisy
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Reply #43 posted 04/01/05 12:07pm

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you start a topic about MJ usual BS and you expect most us to agree with you that LM Presley is a bitch but MJ is an innocent angel?


No, I never said that. All I am saying is that I don´t believe that MJ used her. I don´t think there are any victims over here. The both fell in love, both messed up in the end. NO angels, no bitches, no victims. It´s just sad that Lisa is saying that nowadays.

I guess they were in love too? hehe

actually - they look like that in this picture. biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #44 posted 04/01/05 12:09pm

Luv4oneanotha

RipHer2Shreds said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


i didn't bother replying that because of the stupidity laced within it!

it never ceases to amaze how much ignorance their is,

Well, now that I've got you on my side... wink
You insinuated that she uses MJ as a vehicle to sell her records. I think you're really reaching for that conclusion. She's not the one asking the questions. She's answering them. She could refuse to answer them, but why bother?

Oprah Asked the MJ question because of MJ's current legal troubles!
in reality its been a real long time since somebody actually asked her about Michael Jackson
she's openly offered up info.

and thats what i don't like

silent for so many years but when you need to sell records
you open your mouth about anything
as i said above
Hypocrisy
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Reply #45 posted 04/01/05 12:09pm

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She's not the one asking the questions. She's answering them. She could refuse to answer them, but why bother?

true, but since she says how much she hates talking about him, why bother even giving interviews cause they´re not asking her anything else anyway...
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #46 posted 04/01/05 12:09pm

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squiddyren said:

Then we have the MTV Awards kiss-- I don't care if it was merely the idea of Michael's manager. He actually decided to go along with it. PR is PR.

The worst move of his career. He didn’t lose his crown when the charges first hit. When he walked out on that stage in 94, he was still the biggest thing in music; the awe aspiring Michael Jackson. The minute he kissed her it all went it away, the awe and mystery was revealed as a cheap façade. The stunt completely destroyed his aura.

This advice goes out to everyone: Don't Kiss on the MTV awards, it's definitely a jump the shark moment.
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Reply #47 posted 04/01/05 12:14pm

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The minute he kissed her it all went it away, the awe and mystery was revealed as a cheap façade. The stunt completely destroyed his aura.


never thought about it this way, and you´re right actually.

anyways, it was still fun seeing him doing it. biggrin (for me)
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #48 posted 04/01/05 12:16pm

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dag said:


anyways, it was still fun seeing him doing it. biggrin (for me)


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Reply #49 posted 04/01/05 4:19pm

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Is it me or does Lisa Marie look older than her mother...
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #50 posted 04/01/05 4:25pm

VoicesCarry

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Is it me or does Lisa Marie look older than her mother...


Priscilla has been overdosing on the Botox and lip collagen lately. From afar, she looks OK. Close up, she's a mess with a frozen face.
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Reply #51 posted 04/01/05 4:26pm

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VoicesCarry said:

missfee said:

Is it me or does Lisa Marie look older than her mother...


Priscilla has been overdosing on the Botox and lip collagen lately. From afar, she looks OK. Close up, she's a mess with a frozen face.

lisa marie always looks like she is high on something...
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #52 posted 04/01/05 4:51pm

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Lisa Marie is cool with me.When I saw the MJ/LMP interview with Diane Sawyer,I thought she was hot!She was sassy!Her 1st CD was pretty decent and the "Dirty Laundry"single is growing on me.My question is "Mike,how do you go from Lisa Marie Presley to Debbie Rowe? eek
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Reply #53 posted 04/02/05 9:38am

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When I saw the MJ/LMP interview with Diane Sawyer,I thought she was hot

She looked her best that night. It was funny watching Michael as he kept checking her up and down drooling. Watch it, it´s really funny.

I am looking forward to see her new video. Haven´t seen it yet, just the pictures and she looks very pretty in that.

BTW guys, does anyone know when will her Larry King interview air? It was supposed to air this week, but it was postponed.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #54 posted 04/02/05 9:46am

Spats

Jackson used her as a beard. And everyone pretty much knows it. Lisa never once said that he used her because of who her father is. Oprah said that. The rosed colored glasses on Jacko need to be taken off. I would also question whether Jackson could truly be in love with someone. He is too self absorbed and lost in his own fantasy world.

Lisa looks better now than she ever has. The way Jackson had her dressing back then also shows how he was using her. He was trying to mold her into something. Just like Elvis tried to mold Priscilla. Interesting huh? Graceland/Neverland. There are other comparisons that could be made.
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Reply #55 posted 04/02/05 9:54am

Luv4oneanotha

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Jackson used her as a beard. And everyone pretty much knows it. Lisa never once said that he used her because of who her father is. Oprah said that. The rosed colored glasses on Jacko need to be taken off. I would also question whether Jackson could truly be in love with someone. He is too self absorbed and lost in his own fantasy world.

Lisa looks better now than she ever has. The way Jackson had her dressing back then also shows how he was using her. He was trying to mold her into something. Just like Elvis tried to mold Priscilla. Interesting huh? Graceland/Neverland. There are other comparisons that could be made.

Your making Observationsm that don't exist
Jackson liked LM ever since her father introduced him to her years ago, that friendship developed
into i don't know what
And LM dressed the way she usually dressed whilst with MJ
MJ on the otherhand changed
Drastic Hair cuts, LM was cleaning him up
which i think was a good idea
but i do agree that LM couldn't love her
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Reply #56 posted 04/02/05 10:29am

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He is too self absorbed

Interesting how ppl can be looking at the same thing and see it sooooo differently. I don´t know. I don´t see that. I couldn´t love him the way I do, if I saw that, cause I hate self-absorbed ppl. I know that all that plastic surgery can be called self-absorbtion or that stupid statue traveling around the world, but when I see Mj, the way he talks and treats ppl, I actually find him very humble and very...I don´t know how to say that, but when he says "I love you" at any award shows for example I believe him.

I´d call self absorbed P. Diddy, Usher, Robbie Williams, Missy Elliot and I don´t know who else, but I don´t see that way MJ. I don´t know.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #57 posted 04/02/05 11:40am

Luv4oneanotha

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He is too self absorbed

Interesting how ppl can be looking at the same thing and see it sooooo differently. I don´t know. I don´t see that. I couldn´t love him the way I do, if I saw that, cause I hate self-absorbed ppl. I know that all that plastic surgery can be called self-absorbtion or that stupid statue traveling around the world, but when I see Mj, the way he talks and treats ppl, I actually find him very humble and very...I don´t know how to say that, but when he says "I love you" at any award shows for example I believe him.

I´d call self absorbed P. Diddy, Usher, Robbie Williams, Missy Elliot and I don´t know who else, but I don´t see that way MJ. I don´t know.

Only a self-absorbed man would turn his face into something that is not earthly human

The man is self-absorbed and vain
he may be a sweet and humble person to others
but he is the center of the world to him
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Reply #58 posted 04/02/05 11:41am

BoOTyLiCioUs

People can say whatever they want about this marriage but I think they really loved each other. LM never smiles, I won't blame her because her life has been hard. But when she was with Michael, she was smiling all the time. Plus she was really pretty when she was with him. Now, she looks horrible. Her new video, she looks dirty and high. Everytime, she has an ablum release, she always seems to diss her husband especially Michael to get attention for her cd. To be honest, a lot of people only pay attention to her becuase she is elvis's daughter and married Michael Jackson. It seems whatever Michael does, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
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Reply #59 posted 04/02/05 11:43am

BoOTyLiCioUs

Only a self-absorbed man would turn his face into something that is not earthly human

The man is self-absorbed and vain
he may be a sweet and humble person to others
but he is the center of the world to him


Oh really. What about all the other celebrities in Hollywood? What bout Joan Rivers or Cher. She looks like non human but no one call hers self-absorbed. Whatever, you have never met Michael so you can't say that.
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