I am sorry to start a new thread on MJ again, but with LMP being on TV almost everyday I wanted to ask you what you thought of her and of what she says about MJ. Now you all know that I love Mike and always stand by him and I sure do even in this one and I hope it´s not just blind love on my part, but I simply cannot get the logic behind LMP´s claims. If some of you do, plz explain.

She just had her two part special on Oprah with her mum, saying this:


Lisa Marie was married to Michael Jackson for nearly two years, between 1994 and 1996. Some have openly questioned the nature of their relationship.

Oprah: You said you loved him.

Lisa Marie: Yes.

Oprah: Do you think he loved you?

Lisa Marie: It's hard for me to answer that question. I don't know the answer to that, to be honest with you.

Oprah: Do you think that he loved you as much as he could?

Lisa Marie: Yes, as much as he was capable of loving somebody.

Oprah: Do you think he used you?

Lisa Marie: This seat is hot, let me tell you! Do I think he did? All signs point to yes on that. I can't answer for him.

Priscilla says that she found out about Lisa Marie's first marriage, to musician Danny Keough, only on the day of their wedding by phone. But even that was better, she says, than how she found out about Lisa Marie's marriage to Michael Jackson. "There were helicopters over my home to see if she was coming over, see what I would do," Priscilla says of the press anticipating her reaction to the marriage. "Drown myself in the pool? I don't know," she adds jokingly.

Finishing the story, Lisa Marie explains how she told Priscilla. "You called me and said, 'Oh God, there's helicopters above the house,'" Lisa Marie says. "'They're saying you married Michael Jackson.' And then I was silent."

Priscilla holds out hope to this day that Michael Jackson actually loved Lisa Marie, and that their marriage involved legitimate reasoning on his part. "I want to believe he [loved her]," she says. "I would hate to believe that it was only for one thing, whether it be to maintain his popularity or to be associated somehow to her and her father. I really don't want to go there with that. It's just hard for me to believe that people do that. I mean, and she's really lovable."

Now basically they´re saying that MJ used her to improve his image after the allegations, but what I don´t get is how could he use her when she admitted before that there was something between them BEFORE the allegations and that he wanted to meet her when she was 18. Now he must have been a prophet to know in advance that he´ll need her one day to improve his image after child-sexual allegations.


Is it possible to love someone as much as you can and yet marry that person just to use his/her?

Right, he wanted to be connected to Elvis. I think that the Elvis´ghost is haunting them more than it is healthy.

They say he got what he wanted - that KISS on MTV - yet she admitted in interview for Playboy (I think) that it was again NOT his idea, but his manager´s.

She appeared naked with him in You are not alone video, but I see her there being more comfortable than in any other time that I´ve seen her on TV recently either singing or giving interviews.

He used her for publicity, yet you NEVER hear MJ ever mention her name or talk about their marriage.

And no matter how bad Lisa says it was, there has NEVER been time where we would see her smiling more often or look happier.

Would you agree with me guys, or do you see it differently?

marry me, daq?
[Edited 4/1/05 0:23am]

"I Will"

that was a good one lilgish

i cant see why MJ would need to use her in the name of elvis at all, he doesnt need that publicity at all..

i mean he married Debbie after all!!

Also your right when you watch the you are not alone video they look comfortable with each other, am sure if Lisa wasnt getting any attention from mike in the name of love she wouldnt have lasted as long as 2 years with him in marriage... most women normally would walk out straight away as soon as the attention would drop in a relationship..

just my thoughts

you´re right. Well she divorced Nick after 3 months. So the fact that she stayed with MJ for two years is not that bad. Plus it´s interesting that Lisa and Priscilla never accuse Nick of using her for his Elvis fascination. I mean he´s huge Elvis´ fan, not MJ.

Interesting thing also is that when MJ married Debbie, ppl said they faked it, cause we never saw them togehter in the public and when he showed a lot in the public with Lisa it was fake again, cause he used her for publicity. So no matter what he does, it´ll always be fake I guess.

am sure someone had posted a scan from a page of a book concerning michaels sexual relationship with Lisa, it went into detail aswell about the bedroom stuff.

not sure which book it was but am sure you seen it in the court topics..
i was wondering how much of Lisa input was into that book.

How old was michael when he was married to Lisa anyway. there was an article about michael in the news about his conversations on tape and he was quoted saying he was still a virgin at 32??..

dag said:

It makes certain people happy to think that he's into boys. This way they can ignore everything he's ever done with music. Just imagine how people would react if he had sex with a 14-year-old boy lover and then went to Massachusetts to marry him a few years later. Him and his boy lover could adopt a girl, who would eventually grow up to marry Usher, but of course he would only be it doing because she was the daughter of Michael Jackson.

because you can get the logic behind MJ's actions? => the marriage with Debbie Rowe

not sure which book it was but am sure you seen it in the court topics..
i was wondering how much of Lisa input was into that book.

[quote]
Randy Tarraborelli - Magic and Madness.


he wanted kids. that´s the logic I see behind it.

sorry the quotes in my last post got mixed up.




Never heard of this. When was it?

dag said:

http://www.thisislondon.c...ily%20Mail
U.K Rubbish

plus, I believe Mike had a girl in 78 that joe sent to haiti.

dag said:

Michael Jackson was a virgin until 32, but lusted after his female fans, according to a taped phone call released yesterday (29.03.05).

Jackson also talks about his battle with anorexia and how he hates his "n***r hair" in the call.

The conversation between Jackson and a nine-year-old boy was recorded by the young fan's family in 1985.

They claim the star used to ring the boy regularly for midnight chats about his love life.
According to Jackson's publicity agent the tapes show that the singer - on trial for molesting a 13-year-old boy - is a heterosexual.


He told a crowd outside the Santa Maria courtroom: "There is some dynamite stuff on these tapes. I believe they will demonstrate that Jackson is, or at least was, heterosexual."

Meanwhile, Macuaulay Culkin's estranged father, Kit, has denied any of his children were molested by Jackson at his Neverland Ranch home. On Monday (28.03.05), the judge ruled to admit evidence about five alleged previous sex abuse victims including the Home Alone star, now 24.

But Kit has reportedly signed a statement saying: "I never saw or heard anything at all during my early days of knowing Michael to suggest that he was a paedophile.


this was copied from this site http://www.femalefirst.co...982004.htm found it through Google so please dont think it a favourite of mine, blame the search engine.
[Edited 4/1/05 1:28am]

Didn't he admit to being a virgin in the Oprah interview? Or at least avoided the question?

SpcMs said:

No, funny how oprah's not kissing his ass anymore...bout the only ass in hollywood she's not kissing.

lilgish said:

why should she kiss his ass? She knows he fucked up big time,and she's not afraid to say so.She has publicly said that it is wrong for him to have "sleepovers" with young boys.Too many of his other celebrity friends have kissed his ass for years,and look where it has gotten him.
[Edited 4/1/05 2:06am]

DavidEye said:

She shouldn’t have been kissing his ass at all? Consenting to be put on his song?? Oprah has become an all-star ass kisser. Any celeb who want’s to promote their new shit is now her best chum, everybody’s her fucking friend…. let her get into some shit like Michael…..it would be Maya and few other black folks supporting her.

lilgish said:

Here's the relevant part of the transcript:

I'm not gonna off on Oprah (use to be a fan of the show)...Mj did the interview...I watched...he sold records...his ass should have done some dates in the U.S.

The man is not a virgin.

- because you can get the logic behind MJ's actions? => the marriage with Debbie Rowe

- he wanted kids. that´s the logic I see behind it.

and the result was this pathetic circus, I don't see Mayte or Bruce Springsteen's ex wife or Sean Penn selling their wedding ring on ebay, MJ deserves what he gets now so enough with the he's a victim everyone's naughty song please.

she's fucked up too
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[Edited 4/1/05 3:37am]

Lisa Marie may have truly loved Michael (with a face like that, though, I don't see how (not to sound shallow)), but I still say he just married her for the publicity. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

For starters, in Lisa Marie's Rolling Stone interview, it goes into detail about how after the allegations surfaced and it looked like an extortion situation, Michael would call Lisa Marie frequently and confide in her. Then it's stated, "AT THIS POINT SHE WAS STILL MARRIED, AND THEY WERE YET TO BECOME GIRLFRIEND AND BOYFRIEND."

Then we have the MTV Awards kiss-- I don't care if it was merely the idea of Michael's manager. He actually decided to go along with it. PR is PR.

The Diane Sawyer Primetime interview (half to three-quarters of which was focused on their marriage) was granted oh-so-coincidentally the day before the release of Michael's "HIStory" album.

Anybody find it odd how the "You Are Not Alone" music video was shot and aired subsequent to "HIStory"'s faltering sales and what much of the public decried as Anti-Semitism?

And don't even get me started on how long before they separated, Michael was disappearing for weeks at a time without informing Lisa Marie of where he was going.

squiddyren said:

...and don't forget the false accusations MJ made about Elvis having plastic surgery. That apparently infuriated Lisa Marie.

I, for one, really found the interviews with her and her mother to be enlightening. I now know why she married him, but am still clueless as to why he pursued her so doggedly. I have a lot of respect for her, because - all things considered - she's maintained a stable life. Yes, she's been divorced three times, but if that's the worst of it given what she was born into I'd say she's maintained a healthful level of sanity.

lilgish said:

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She is a billionaire. People are kissing her butt.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Elvis did indeed have plastic surgery on his nose in the 50's, and his eyes in the 70's. Common knowledge among Elvis fans.

Oh, and Lisa and Michael hooked up in 1997, 1998 and judging by a comment she made about that magazine interview (she says she through it across the table at Michael) 1999. The interview was done in 1999. So I guess even after the divorce she still couldn't get enough of MJ.

WildStyle said:

I don't know anything about it. I'm just saying if it was common knowledge why didn't Lisa Marie know about it, and why does she claim it's not true?

ThaCat said:

I smell bullshit. How can he talk about losing his virginity at 32 when he was only in his mid 20's at the time of the supposed recording?

RipHer2Shreds said:

I don't suppose you would. Are you an Elvis fan? I am. And I never heard Lisa say it wasn't true. Simply that she was mad that he said it.

WildStyle said:

I'm not sure what you're implying by the "I don't suppose you would" comment, but I know Elvis' hits and don't own any of his albums. I was under the impression that she said it's not true. If you say otherwise, I have no reason not to believe you.

lilgish said:

Oprah gave Michael an opportunity to come on her show and tell his side of the story and clear up all the crazy rumors. What did Michael do he lied! He lied about how much surgery he has had "I can count on one hand how many plastic surgery procedures I have had done" He said that Brooke Shields was his girlfriend, of which Shields immediately released a statement saying that she is not now nor has she ever been his girlfriend. He lied about several other things to so I think that is why Oprah does not support him anymore. I personally think all of his marriages were fronts Michael is a gay pedophille.

squiddyren said:

No not for the publicity - it was for validation.
He needed to say to the world
"Here - I'm married - I don't diddle little boys!"
And he couldn't just marry anyone - it had to be a strong independent wealthy woman. If he married an unknown woman - like a dentist receptionist - there would be claims of $$$ being exchanged. The wife would be a beard.
But a woman like LMP - well why else would she marry MJ? It couldn't be the $$$ - so he must be some hot stud. How could we doubt MJ? - look at that great piece of ass he married. He wasn't trying to hook himself to Elvis's coattails - he is bigger then Elvis. He just needed Lisa - the princess of RnR to boast a sagging image.

Here's what she said in a 2003 Rolling Stone interview:

There were other fault lines opening. Jackson had asked her never to speak about him, and she felt he was taking liberties, particularly in a TV Guide story at the time. "He was quoting me, 'Lisa Marie told me Elvis had a nose job,' which is absolute bullshit," she says. "I think it justified something in his mind -- they were asking him about his plastic surgery. I read that, and I threw it across the kitchen. 'I told you what?'