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PrintableJonSnow said: Usher is a so-so R&B singer who records forgettable, disposable, pop-product. {shrug}. He'll be on a "whatever happened to" show 10 years from now. Hopefully he learned a lesson from Hammer and isn't pissing all his $$ away.
MJ in his prime was a visionary, monumentally influential artist, who recorded a series of stellar, classic singles. Too bad he's turned into such a freak show. The man was good. Eventhough MJ is a trip. He has paid dues and has earned the right to due as pleases just like our boy P. However, in Usher's case, he dosen't have an ounce of fucking talent that's his own b/c everything is borrowed and not orginal. I bet he won't be around 30 years. Whereas music by MJ and P is timeless and thats just the way it is. | |
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larryluvlife said: Sisqo is the true king of pop.When he releases his next solo album"Thongs In The Key of Life"Ursher will be old news.Bow down to The Dragon!
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damosbeautifulgrlndaworld said: larryluvlife said: Sisqo is the true king of pop.When he releases his next solo album"Thongs In The Key of Life"Ursher will be old news.Bow down to The Dragon!
Oh dear GOD!!! WTF!!!! | |
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larryluvlife said: "Thongs In The Key of Life"
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PumpFAT said: lilgish said: Welcome to Music:Non-Prince a.ka Michael Jackson:Music and More
You’ve just open your self up to barrage of WTF’s. As a resident MJ fan I wil tell you there’s a few orgers who won’t let that comment go and will argue you to death. Good Luck Forget Michael, Usher can't even fuck with Omarion. O can crush him. You seriously have to be a hater or born yesterday to even say such a thing. Usher is a scrub. a B2K punk? please! Oh and I'm ready to throw down with any MJ freak. they can just Bring it. Michael Jackson made Usher Like Michael Jordan made Kobe Bryant, Lebon James, & Tracy McGrady. Study your black music history sometimes, ROOKIE!!!  | |
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lilgish said: PumpFAT said: Whatever, I can't imagine you ever saw mike in his prime, much less hammer, you would know better if you did. Hell yeah! You tell them lilgish. | |
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jacktheimprovident said: I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:
1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many. 2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right. 3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said. [Edited 3/27/05 2:23am] [Edited 3/27/05 2:27am] Great essay! | |
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TonyVanDam said: jacktheimprovident said: I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:
1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many. 2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right. 3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said. [Edited 3/27/05 2:23am] [Edited 3/27/05 2:27am] Great essay!  | |
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PumpFAT said: Give him some years. A few years later, it'll be Michael who? Get outta here King of POPping little boys.
 It's Usher raymond's time to shine.First of all, I am getting a little bit tired of Usher. He has become arrogant and too much besides himself. The comments he made concerning Prince and his Grammy awards were too much for me. For someone with a song on his latest CD trying his best to sound like Prince AND Michael Jackson -- like Kanye West, Usher needs to humble himself. Second of all, his "Confessions" CD and the umpteen different versions of it sold 10+ million copies. What happens when the next one FLOPS? The music business is fickle. The person who was hot today won't be hot tomorrow. Don't believe me? Then explain to me why Darius "Hootie" Rucker is doing Burger King commercials in a cowboy suit? Last, Usher has become over-exposed. They are still squeezing the last bit of life from his CD and he has FIVE movies due in the future. Not to mention, he is minority owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers and they got rid of Paul Silas. Usher needs to kind of chill and granted, I understand that he is riding this current wave of superstardom, but burn-out is a bitch. Usher has a long way to go before he can fill MJ's patent leather shoes. I doubt very seriously that he will be better than Michael Jackson in his prime. Usher IS in the prime of his career. By the time MJ was Usher's age, he had sold 38 million copies of "Thriller" and was about to sell 22 million copies of "Bad." Not to mention, the biggest grossing solo tour of all time. When Usher sells 38 million copies of ANYTHING -- then we got a conversation on our hands. In the meantime, he's an overexposed diva with too much attitude and not enough humility. [Edited 3/31/05 5:40am] "haters wanna hate/lovers wanna love/I don't even want/none of the above/I want to piss on you/yes I do/I wanna pee you..." | |
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There will never be a next MJ, just like there will never be a next Michael Jordan or Ali, Prince etc....Let Usher be Usher.
I like Usher, but what he lacks like many in his generation is an appreciation for making a Classic record. I can't think of anything Usher has made that is in fact view as a Classic by many. 1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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gooch said: What happens when the next one FLOPS? The music business is fickle. The person who was hot today won't be hot tomorrow. Don't believe me? Then explain to me why Darius "Hootie" Rucker is doing Burger King commercials in a cowboy suit?
You're right , Hootie sold alot of records to. | |
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The opnly positive thing I can say about Usher is that he doesn't make surgery... Like his mentor Michael Jackson...
He has exactly the same face since his early age (and the same haircut )... |
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The opnly positive thing I can say about Usher is that he doesn't make surgery... Like his mentor Michael Jackson...
He has exactly the same face since his early age (and the same haircut )... lol. Yeah but Michael back in the day, he was fine..real fine. Usher's busted and always has been. | |
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Usher isn't even as good as washed-up "Invincible" era MJ. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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