I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:

1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many.

2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right.

3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said.
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PumpFAT said:

no way..Usher will be a real Usher in a few years

I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:

1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many.

2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right.

3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said.

I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:

1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many.

2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right.

3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said.
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Seriously....listening to the old Jackson 5 albums, Destiny & Triumph???
U cant be serious...MJ SURPASSED usher at that age...on every level.

Usher is already 27 years old (born in 1978). When MJ was 27 years old, it was 1985. MJ had already sold over 100 million albums. Usher will never be a phenom on the level of MJ. NEVER.

LightOfArt said:

Wow...

Give him some years. A few years later, it'll be Michael who? Get outta here King of POPping little boys. It's Usher raymond's time to shine.

Sisqo is the true king of pop.When he releases his next solo album"Thongs In The Key of Life"Ursher will be old news.Bow down to The Dragon!

Usher will play himself out the same way that Sisqo did.Just watch

and then they'll be calling Mario the "new Michael Jackson"

Sheeit! I don't think so. Michael may be a freakshow now, but that will never take away what he used to be. Give Usher a few years, maybe not even that long and if anything he'll be a flash n the pan. He's just the hype for now, but late he'll be just like Ricky Martin.

Usher is not a songwriter.
He's not all that good of singer
He's a ok dancer, I've seen better.
I don't care how many copies Confessions sold/sells it will never beat Thriller.

NIGGA PLEASE!

I'm lovin this!

BlueNote

I hate Usher with a burning fiery passion but I'm going to try to speak civilly and rationally here:

1.the vast majority of this debate so far is concerning dancing on which I say this: Usher is among the better MJ immitators, but's that about all he has going for him as far as dancing. He has zero originality and can't even immitate some of the more jaw-dropping stuff that michael's done (some of which you'd only know about if you'd seen concert footage of him). There are precisely two moves I've seen Usher perform that MJ hasn't ever done: the splits and a backflip and both of them were in his performance with James Brown at the Grammy's, wherein in many ways, he was schooled by the 71 year old godfather (at least in terms of putting on an interesting performance next Usher's overwrought, overchoreographed bullshit). MJ on the other hand synthesized many different styles of dancing to form an original style: 60s soul dancehall champions like Jackie Wilson and James brown as well as earlier hoofers like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire and urban street dancing (breakdancing). Plus there are more than a number of moves that practically nobody else can do as well as MJ the moonwalk being just one of many.

2. Artistically Usher has nothing on MJ, he doesn't even have anything on R. Kelly, who doesn't have anything on MJ. Usher's been in the business for awhile now, he's long past the normal developemental progression that most true artists undergo in advancing from being derivative and emulating their idols to being groundbreaking and original. Usher has yet to make any groundbreaking or original music, (he has yet to even write and produce the majority of his material himself and he had nothing to do with either aspect of YEAH!, his biggest hit so far) and it's unlikely that he ever will at this point, if he could have, he would've by now. MJ on the other hand has crafted some of the best R&B albums of all time, and written some of the best dance-funk tunes ever, and Thriller alone had more of a revolutionary impact on the music industry (even if wasn't at all artistic) than almost any other album. He evolved quite gracefully from a pint-sized frontman in vocal group with no artistic control of its music, into a gifted songwriter, producer and independant artist in his own right.

3. As a human being, MJ may be weird, possibly even insane, possibly even a pedophile, but Usher's whole personality bugs the crap out of me. He's clearly the most narcissistic, arrogant asshole in the universe who doesn't have the talent to warrant his inflated view of himself. Any trace of humility I've seen him exhibit seems so forced and prescripted it's positively barf-worthy ("I'm singing this....for ...for you Ray"). MJ at least had genuine respect for his elder-betters and didn't drip with sublimated self-satisfaction with every word he ever said.
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[Edited 3/27/05 2:27am]

Give him some years. A few years later, it'll be Michael who? Get outta here King of POPping little boys. It's Usher raymond's time to shine.

Give him some years. A few years later, it'll be Michael who? Get outta here King of POPping little boys. It's Usher raymond's time to shine.

Usher will play himself out the same way that Sisqo did.Just watch

and then they'll be calling Mario the "new Michael Jackson"

DavidEye said:

Let's fucking hope so



Why they always trying to crown somebody as the new so & so??

CalhounSq said:

I know what you mean.It's annoying,isn't it? The truth is,many of today's "artists" will soon be forgotten.They don't have that "legend quality" that makes them stand out.Usher might have some cool beats and dance moves,but who's gonna be playing "Caught Up" in 20 years?

DavidEye said:

HELLOOOO!!!