Hey u guys i just wanted 2 post that Jackie ( nelly's sis) lost her life yesterday morn. Please keep them in ur prayers. love Mihad.
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wow...she's the one they had the blood drive thing or somethin 4 right?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Yeah, but the Bone marrow drive was acutally for anybody who was seeking a donor, but at sametime, Nelly was hoping to find a donor whose bone marrow matched his sister's, but they never did. Now, even if I didn't like him as an artist, I without a doubt would love him as a person for doing this. She had luekemia, which caused her to lose all of her hair. I almost cried when I seen the footage of her remove the doo-rag from her head to show everybody what the cancer did.

But anyway, the officials of the college campus that the bone marrow drive was being held on had shut it down cause they claimed Nelly's TipDrill" video on BET afterhours was offensive and degrading to women which is bullshit. How is it offensive and degrading if those chicks willingfully allow themselves to be in the video naked and doing whatever?

Rest in peace to Nelly's sister. God bless her soul. I hope Nelly and family stay strong. Fuck cancer.
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OnionJuice said:

damn that is some bullshit...some mean heartless bull shit

Moonwalkbjrain said:

indeed. i wouldn't care if there were hookers dancing naked on
the table at the blooddrive if there was even a slight chance
that the blooddrive might save someone's life. how incredibly
heartless indeed!

OnionJuice said:

Actually, NELLY cancelled the drive because of the protest. Spelman didn't cancel it.

And personally I do care about the images of women in media, so Big up the women of Spelman. I believe their view was that Nelly doesn't value the images of women in his video and yet he would come to a women's college to seek out assistance for his sister.

I understand Nelly's desire to seek assistance for his sister but I'm not going to dog the women who conducted this protest either. Do I think they picked a weird time to protest? YES! The situation with Bone Marrow transplants and the African American community is critical. I'm on the registry so I do find it important. I just think the women saw an opportunity and took it.




God bless her and RIP!

Moorehouse was just down the rode. He could have held it there.

at only 31.....wat a loss.

Rhondab said:

Maybe he was the one who cancelled it, but he had to because the college administration couldn't guarantee it would be protest-free. And the protesting would've runined the bone marrowed especially if you a got bunch angry woman running people off cause they feel like Nelly don't value the image of woman in videos. That "Tipdrill" video ain't have shit to do with at bone marrow drive. So, hell yeah, they were heartless. It wasnt like Nelly was tryna shoot a fucking video on their campus or anything. The bone marrow drive could've helped alot of people, and since Nelly's a popular rapper, it would've drew in alot of people.

And other thing, alot of rappers that have vidoes just like "Tipdrill" (some clean enough to be show at daytime) have performed on that campus and they didn't get protested against. And none of them were doing something good for a change like Nelly. And they are even some of the women that go to Spelman are strippers.

But like said before, them chicks did that willingfully did the video. Who should be protested against? Nelly or them bitches who obviously don't value the image of themselves?

OnionJuice said:

hmmmm.....I guess, "them bitches"?


Sometimes ppl get tired..so better let than never I guess their position. I agree that the timing was funky for the protest. They protested at the wrong time and didn't see the value in the bone marrow drive BUT I still won't criticize those women who wanted to voice their concerns about women in these videos.

Basically, what you're saying is that there is no such thing as exploitation and that because these women make the decision to be in the videos, no one should complain about the concepts and IMAGES in the videos.... So if the women don't value the images of themselves, what does it say about the person who comes up with the treatment for the video? Do they value themselves or the women they hire for the video?


There are strippers in colleges across America...it would have been more of an interesting argument if you stated that the women who were protesting were strippers.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

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Sorry but running a credit card down some woman's rearend is offensive. I am sorry that his sister pasted but, that brother does not have to go out of his why to degrade woman. He can sell records without taking that road.

OnionJuice said:

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The fact that you like calling woman Bitches tells a lot of about your attitude.

Just remember we all have mothers and sister. You would not like it if someone called them bitches.

laurarichardson said:

how is HE degrading the women? he can have the idea all he wants but @ the end of the day its that ladies choice to do it

my prayers go out 2 Nelly and his family

Some of you are really buggin out!

First off, HE cancelled...

Even if it WAS Spellman that had cancelled they had every right to...

Yes, HE is exploiting these women. Yes, THE WOMEN are fully participating in exploiting themselves - both parties are @ fault.

The same mutha muthas on here calling people "bitches" are part of the general problem - placing ZERO value on women, Black women in this case. So you're basically saying, "How dare those bitches @ Spellman have something to say! Who do they think they are?" and THAT is bullshit Devaluing Black women is a fucking epidemic right now & he's choosing to participate.

If Nelly wants support on all fronts he's gotta play the game & watch his ass - he didn't give a fuck about Black women the day he shot that video so WHY should Black women protect him from reaction to images he helped create? You can't pull shit like that & expect muthafuckas to have your back. And he should have owned up to the shit & dealt w/ the protests if that's what it came down to - if you can't stand by it, don't do it. What a total crock of shit

I'm sorry for the family's loss but fuck Nelly & fuck his videos. I'm glad people spoke up about that shit - we settle for bool far too often. Stand the fuck up & claim what your worth

laurarichardson said:

Look, I ain't tryna hear all that "you wouldn't like it if someone called your mother or sister a bitch" bullshit. My mother and sister ain't even in the video, so there.

And me calling them bitches doesnt say alot about me or my attitude. If you wanna know why I called them "bitches" its cause y'all talkin about Nelly dont value the image of women, but the "women" in his "Tipdrill" video obviously don't either. So wouldn't that make them "bitches"? If not, wouldn't y'all be contradicting yourselves?

CalhounSq said:[quote]The same mutha muthas on here calling people "bitches" are part of the general problem - placing ZERO value on women, Black women in this case. So you're basically saying, "How dare those bitches @ Spellman have something to say! Who do they think they are?" and THAT is bullshit Devaluing Black women is a fucking epidemic right now & he's choosing to participate.
[quote]

Shit, the women in the video are placing ZERO value on themselves. But maybe Im wrong and you're right. MAybe Im missing something. Just because they like to get naked in videos, let nigga slide a card between they ass and act like sluts, maybe they're not bitches. Maybe they're ladies.

CalhounSq said:

I wouldn't say Nelly doesn't give a fuck about black women, but I agree, they had every right to speak up if they thought he was degrading women in that video....BUT when are they gonna spoke out against women that devaluing the image of women?

CalhounSq said:

Very true.

OnionJuice said:

OW LAWD...

like India Arie sings...


When you talk to her talk to her
Like you want somebody to
Talk to your mama

Don't get smart with her
Have a heart to heart
With her just like you
Would with your daughter

Cause everything you do or say
You got to live with everyday
She's somebody's baby
She's somebody's sister
She's somebody's mama

Now when you go to her
Speak truthfully
Honest as you can be from your heart
You're in a situation
But you're losing patience
Take your time and look her in the eyes
When you just can't find the words you want
And it's hard to reach a point
Where you both can understand
Don't just tell the truth
But tell the whole truth
It'll make a better man out of you

When you talk to her talk to her
Like it was somebody else
Talk to your mama

Don't get smart
But I have a heart to heart
and just like you would
Would you doubt us

Cause everything you do or say
You got to live with everyday
She's somebody's baby
She's somebody's sister
She's somebody's mama

It doesn't matter if
She's wearing mini a skirt or business suit
Whether she's twenty-five or ninety-nine
Treat her the way your mama taught you too
She could be the queen of Sheba, she could be a school teacher
A homemaker or lawyer
I think it's good for your karma
Cause when you talk to her

When you talk to her talk to her
Like it was somebody else
Talk to your mama

Don't get smart
But I have a heart to heart
and just like you would
Would you doubt us

Cause everything you do or say
You got to live with everyday
She's somebody's baby
She's somebody's sister
She's somebody's mama

Now let's keep it real
Nothing in this world will ever exist without the opposite
There has to be a sun and a moon
A man and a woman
That's just the way it is
Humanity inside it
And everybody's fighting
How do we restore the peace
Mama Earth is hurting
When everybody's searching for that feminine energy
You gotta talk to her

When you talk to her talk to her
Like it was somebody else
Talk to your mama (Watch your mouth, yeah yeah)

Don't get smart
But I have a heart to heart
and just like you would
Would you doubt us

Cause everything you do or say
You got to live with everyday
She's somebody's baby
She's somebody's sister
She's somebody's mama

When you talk to her talk to her
Like it was somebody else
Talk to your mama
Just like you fight for your sister
If you knew that someone dissed her
How you gonna care for your daughter
Turn around and talk bad about the mama
Say will you listen to your auntie
Never interupt while she speaks
Make your words sweet like candy
As if you were talking to your granny yeah
If you really loved them (say so)
If you really needed them (say so)
Love the way she thinks (say so)
You love the way she speaks (say so)
When you need some good conversation (say so)
Say so (say so)
If you want her in your life (say so)
You want her to be your wife (say so)
Tell her she's your best friend (say so) (alright)
You'll be that to the end (alright)(say so)
If you're thinking about leaving (say so)
If you wonder where she's going (say so)
If you need to breathe with her (say so)
You just want to be with her (say so)
If you love her hair (say so)
If you wanted her (say so)
Tell me if you really wanted her (say so)
You wanna smack it down (say so)
Say so...
If you feel like loving (say so)
If you wanna feel the hugging (say so)



I know I talk shit a lot but when it comes to peoples rights you can't shut somebody down & treat them like they have no voice. Just b/c one woman wants to exploit herself doesn't mean every woman has to support that shit

OnionJuice said:

I agree w/ you on that! Everything has to start somewhere & I support any woman on that campus who wanted to take Nelly to task on that issue. I'd feel the same way if Lil' Kim was set to speak I would HOPE that someone would wanna jam her up too

Rhondab said:

No, basically what Im sayin they just wanna fuck with Nelly. Like Ive said before, Spelman has had rappers perform on their campus who also have videos just like "Tipdrill" and they didn't protest against them. Why is that? If you're gonna reply, answer that.

And YES, even if those women make the decision to be in the videos, it IS exploitation. I aint say it wasn't. But what Im sayin is why noy protest against "them bitches" in the video who don't value the imade of women. And some the women that protested probably are strippers. But I know alot of them on that campus do strip.

Rhondab said:

We aint talkin about the people over the video, we talkin about the women who choose to be in it. If they really valued themselves as woman, they wouldn't be in it just doing WHATEVER.
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Crappallonia said:

That ain't got shit to do with what Im talkin about. I wouldn't just go up to a girl and disrespect her. Lets clear up that misconception.

OnionJuice said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

Actually we are talking about the people over the video and in the videos. This is the reason they went after Nelly. You go after the person to has the power to change something and they saw that as Nelly.

I don't get why you need to call the women in the videos "bitches". What's that about? I will still advocate for the women in the videos as well because they do have some issues on some levels but that doesn't mean they need be called bitches.

Rhondab said:

If you go after one person over the video, what are you gonna do when another "Tipdrill"-type comes out by another artist? Then another? Then another? Then another? Y'all should speak out agaisnt women who choose to be in it. You know, get at your own 'sisters'.

Like I said earlier, what do you call a women who dont value the image of women? Thats why I called them "bitches". Y'all talkin about me calling them bitches saids alot about my character, but no, it really doesnt cause I have a reason to call them bitches.

I dunno, thats on I thing I dont understand about females. Ya'll wanna trip out when a guy calls a chick a bitch, but then y'all call each other bitches. But thats life I guess.

OnionJuice said:

Excuse me. I've never called a female a bitch not even in jest.

I don't have an issue with addressing the females who are in these videos but I do find it interesting that you don't want to hold the men accountable at all. So the men just a pass. Its ok to exploit women as long as the women want to participate, right? Women do need to be accountable AS WELL AS the men, who many cases develop and encourage these images.

I never said anything about your character. I just wanted to know why you find it necessary to call these women bitches. So what do you call men who portray negative images in videos?


As for going after one person, it starts with going after one person sometimes. Essence magazine is going after the industry in regards to the images in videos. Its an issue and a problem.

there's another thread addressing this issue. I'm going to continue this over there.

Rhondab said:

I didn't say you (in particular) called another female a bitch; I meant y'all females in general. You say haven't, but I dont know you personally.

And read this carefully: I aint sayin you shouldn't hold the men accountable at all, Im sayin you should address BOTH parties. I've BEEN saying that, not just in my respones to your posts, but in my response to other peoples posts on their thread too. You should've read those too cause you got me repeating myself.

What do I call men who portray negative images in videos? Well, I don't call them gentlemen.

All I've ever seen is people speaking out against rappers for the imagery of the women in their vidoes (from the C. Delores Tucker days in the early 90s to now - nothing has change). If they gonna do that, then they need to protest against the the women in the video, too, but if they can't do that, then they really shouldn't protest or speak out at all. Thats all Im sayin.
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OnionJuice said:

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So because the are degrading themselves that makes it okay to call them bitches and that makes it okay for Mr. Nelly to take advantage of the situation. He is an ass and I don't think he would think it was funny if someone was running a card down his sister's rear end even if she wanted to particpate.

laurarichardson said:

Yes.

laurarichardson said:

If they put themselves in tha position to be taking advantage in that sort of way, who wouldn't take advantage? How did Hugh Hefner get rich?

And no, Im not sayin any woman that poses nude is a bitch. Im sayin that cause I know if I didn't, I wouldve left myself wide open for that accusation.

CalhounSq said:

You make alot of sense.

Personally, I am grateful that my wife is a strong woman who would never allow me to use the word bitch in her presence or participate in anything that paints her in a negative light.

jbchavez said:

How ya doin', jb?


how did this go from a thread about Nelly's sister to one about bitches and hoes? Whatever kind of person Nelly was, he cared deeply for his sister and I am very sorry she lost her fight.