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Reply #120 posted 03/31/05 1:11pm

Luv4oneanotha

Now im wondering why melville didn't allow katz to comment on the actual molestation happening

cause i find it QUITE Ironic that he does not believe that an actual molestation happened
Nor does he believe that Jackson is a pedophile

I would think that that would be pivotal
but than again...

we wouldn't want to discredit the youth , that much now, would we?
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Reply #121 posted 03/31/05 3:22pm

scorp84

delete. my bad!
[Edited 3/31/05 15:29pm]
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Reply #122 posted 03/31/05 3:37pm

Luv4oneanotha

scorp84 said:

delete. my bad!
[Edited 3/31/05 15:29pm]

hehe lol

the article is still good in any sense

Which leads to another Question?

Why is Sneddon?
pushing so hard for this allegation?

that he hasn't even investigated thoroughly?

He's going to use prior bad acts as a vehicle, but he won't charge

Vandetta
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Reply #123 posted 03/31/05 11:45pm

dag

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #124 posted 03/31/05 11:48pm

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A Blacklisting That Went Bankrupt: The Questions Begin


Created: Thursday, 31 March 2005

By John Karrys
District Attorney Tom Sneddon has had a legion of help in packaging and selling Michael Jackson’s guilt to the world. On a daily basis, for the past twelve years, we have heard and seen an endless number of molestation jokes that imply Michael’s guilt or, at least, intelligent and wise people should think so. These are the establishment satirists and comics who subtly influence public opinion. Without any reference to context or even probable evidence, the quest for the most salacious stories are considered fair game if it is Michael Jackson on the receiving end. The over-arching assumption has always been that something inappropriate was happening at Neverland, and even if there wasn’t any evidence to support that claim, that it was okay to assume he was guilty of child molestation because the architects of public opinion in the media made it appear so. Isn’t there any worry, by members in the media, that there can be the possibility of a blacklisting backlash? Especially during a time where trust in the media and government are at an all-time low.

It is worrisome how many people have been more than willing to profit mercilessly off of these unsubstantiated charges with no regard or care that he could be innocent and that this kind of white-collar corruption could easily happen to them. Many brilliant satirists such as Robin Williams, Chris Rock, Howard Stern or Eminem, who come across as your witty non-conformists and voices for the voiceless, clearly sold out something when they jumped on the bandwagon and arrogantly implied in their material that Michael is a child molester. Now that the case has finally unfolded, with surprisingly suspicious timelines and poorly coached testimony, it will be intriguing to see how people like the aforementioned will rationalize their blindsided ignorance and apologize to him for it. I am sure they wouldn’t like being called child molesters as they pursue their own careers; even if it was ‘just a joke.’

All this time, so many were so sure that he was guilty. So sure, that Tom Sneddon, an accomplished District Attorney, had a solid probable cause, some evidence and a superb circumstantial case to compliment his giddiness when he demanded that Michael Jackson turn himself into authorities. Tom Sneddon has produced an alarmingly weak and baseless case. The transcripts speak for themselves, which is a highlight reel as to how many forms or patterns of lies one can count. It is Sneddon who is pathetically pushing Sisyphus’ boulder. This case is demolishing the reputations of several professionals who gambled their careers on Michael’s guilt. Michael has endured unprecedented alienation although his innocence is shining bright at this moment.

How the tides have turned. In classrooms across the world, this poorly presented and constructed case has cast a brand new light on to the situation. The question with which students must wrestle is no longer merely that of guilt or innocence. Today, the question is this: How did this case come to be? Why was Michael Jackson blacklisted throughout the media if their information from inside sources proved to be weak? Why should we trust law enforcement after this? With such a massive absence of evidence, what factors drove this prosecution to proceed using such a baseless case?

Those irritating whispers regarding Sony Music’s influence are certainly getting louder in a world where we are all too familiar with the ominous partnership between some corporations or organizations and the State. It was okay when the story framed law enforcement as being the good guys and the wealthy eccentric celebrity as the disturbed bad guy. But it is clear, at this juncture, that the State’s case against Michael Jackson is bankrupt.

Due to its poor performance, the prosecution’s case will never rest peacefully. Imagine all of those poor media profiteers who must now come to terms with the ill-advised investments made into all of those Michael Jackson specials, exclusives and late-night jokes. That monumental momentum that any prosecutor would dream of has vanished within weeks. With the absence of tangible evidence, questions are being asked as to why these media outlets weren’t aggressively exploring how this case was conceived and what is the nature of this obvious entrapment?

If a state like California is going to attempt to attract entrepreneurs and businesses, as Governor Schwarzenegger has frequently said it must, people need to be assured that its civic institutions are for the most part legitimate, and that the rule of law applies to all. This is paramount for free-market capitalism to flourish and a guarantee to attract the best talent. This case is being watched very closely from all over the world and the State’s action or inaction will speak volumes as to its sincerity as being progressive.

Will Californian Attorney General, Bill Lockyear, look the other way and permit this kind of conduct to continue? Is it acceptable for a prosecutor to pursue a case on a whim or for a price? How has this case demonstrated otherwise? These types of questions are just beginning to emerge as the state’s case against Michael Jackson comes to a close. By allowing the 93 allegations as evidence, Judge Melville’s home-court ruling to desperately resurrect such an embarrassing showcase of American jurisprudence will logically give solid premises to connect these toxic questions into substantial indictments.

At this moment, it is plausible that there is an uncomfortable nexus of anxiety tormenting the taxpayers of Santa Barbara.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #125 posted 04/01/05 11:28am

Luv4oneanotha

dag said:

A Blacklisting That Went Bankrupt: The Questions Begin


Created: Thursday, 31 March 2005

By John Karrys
District Attorney Tom Sneddon has had a legion of help in packaging and selling Michael Jackson’s guilt to the world. On a daily basis, for the past twelve years, we have heard and seen an endless number of molestation jokes that imply Michael’s guilt or, at least, intelligent and wise people should think so. These are the establishment satirists and comics who subtly influence public opinion. Without any reference to context or even probable evidence, the quest for the most salacious stories are considered fair game if it is Michael Jackson on the receiving end. The over-arching assumption has always been that something inappropriate was happening at Neverland, and even if there wasn’t any evidence to support that claim, that it was okay to assume he was guilty of child molestation because the architects of public opinion in the media made it appear so. Isn’t there any worry, by members in the media, that there can be the possibility of a blacklisting backlash? Especially during a time where trust in the media and government are at an all-time low.

It is worrisome how many people have been more than willing to profit mercilessly off of these unsubstantiated charges with no regard or care that he could be innocent and that this kind of white-collar corruption could easily happen to them. Many brilliant satirists such as Robin Williams, Chris Rock, Howard Stern or Eminem, who come across as your witty non-conformists and voices for the voiceless, clearly sold out something when they jumped on the bandwagon and arrogantly implied in their material that Michael is a child molester. Now that the case has finally unfolded, with surprisingly suspicious timelines and poorly coached testimony, it will be intriguing to see how people like the aforementioned will rationalize their blindsided ignorance and apologize to him for it. I am sure they wouldn’t like being called child molesters as they pursue their own careers; even if it was ‘just a joke.’

All this time, so many were so sure that he was guilty. So sure, that Tom Sneddon, an accomplished District Attorney, had a solid probable cause, some evidence and a superb circumstantial case to compliment his giddiness when he demanded that Michael Jackson turn himself into authorities. Tom Sneddon has produced an alarmingly weak and baseless case. The transcripts speak for themselves, which is a highlight reel as to how many forms or patterns of lies one can count. It is Sneddon who is pathetically pushing Sisyphus’ boulder. This case is demolishing the reputations of several professionals who gambled their careers on Michael’s guilt. Michael has endured unprecedented alienation although his innocence is shining bright at this moment.

How the tides have turned. In classrooms across the world, this poorly presented and constructed case has cast a brand new light on to the situation. The question with which students must wrestle is no longer merely that of guilt or innocence. Today, the question is this: How did this case come to be? Why was Michael Jackson blacklisted throughout the media if their information from inside sources proved to be weak? Why should we trust law enforcement after this? With such a massive absence of evidence, what factors drove this prosecution to proceed using such a baseless case?

Those irritating whispers regarding Sony Music’s influence are certainly getting louder in a world where we are all too familiar with the ominous partnership between some corporations or organizations and the State. It was okay when the story framed law enforcement as being the good guys and the wealthy eccentric celebrity as the disturbed bad guy. But it is clear, at this juncture, that the State’s case against Michael Jackson is bankrupt.

Due to its poor performance, the prosecution’s case will never rest peacefully. Imagine all of those poor media profiteers who must now come to terms with the ill-advised investments made into all of those Michael Jackson specials, exclusives and late-night jokes. That monumental momentum that any prosecutor would dream of has vanished within weeks. With the absence of tangible evidence, questions are being asked as to why these media outlets weren’t aggressively exploring how this case was conceived and what is the nature of this obvious entrapment?

If a state like California is going to attempt to attract entrepreneurs and businesses, as Governor Schwarzenegger has frequently said it must, people need to be assured that its civic institutions are for the most part legitimate, and that the rule of law applies to all. This is paramount for free-market capitalism to flourish and a guarantee to attract the best talent. This case is being watched very closely from all over the world and the State’s action or inaction will speak volumes as to its sincerity as being progressive.

Will Californian Attorney General, Bill Lockyear, look the other way and permit this kind of conduct to continue? Is it acceptable for a prosecutor to pursue a case on a whim or for a price? How has this case demonstrated otherwise? These types of questions are just beginning to emerge as the state’s case against Michael Jackson comes to a close. By allowing the 93 allegations as evidence, Judge Melville’s home-court ruling to desperately resurrect such an embarrassing showcase of American jurisprudence will logically give solid premises to connect these toxic questions into substantial indictments.

At this moment, it is plausible that there is an uncomfortable nexus of anxiety tormenting the taxpayers of Santa Barbara.

I've had the pleasure of speaking to Bill Lockyear when Jackson was first chargd almost 2 years ago.
Lockyear is extremely concerned with the continuity of the case itself?
He will only intervene if he believes the D.A. is pursuing the case on false pretenses.
If that is his conclusion he is sure to take action on it, in the behalf of District Attorney Tom Sneddon,
The several Civil Rights sneddon has violated in the past, Has made Lockyear concerned. and is watching the case with the utmost scrutiny
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Reply #126 posted 04/01/05 5:18pm

Luv4oneanotha

Hold on to your seats kids, Kansas is going bye bye

Ex-Maid Says Jacko Must Be Stopped


Friday, April 01, 2005

By Roger Friedman



Jacko: Ex-Maid Says Jacko Must Be Stopped


Michael Jackson had better spend this weekend preparing himself for what's coming Monday morning.


He'd better prepare his parents, too, and other loved ones who might accompany him to court.


They're about to hear stories from the early '90s that will put the curl back in Jackson's fluffy, straightened, blown-out hair.


Ready for her appearance is Jackson's former personal maid, Adrian McManus, who worked for him from 1990 to 1994.


In 1995, McManus was one of five former employees who unsuccessfully sued Jackson for wrongful termination and sexual harassment.


Their case hinged on them being able to relate incidents they said they'd witnessed at Neverland of sexual molestation and inappropriate behavior by Jackson.


But when the judge in their case ruled that they couldn't tell those stories — which had already been captured in thousands of pages of depositions — the case fell apart.




Not only did they lose their case, but four of the five were forced into personal bankruptcy.


They sold some of their stories to tabloids for small amounts to pay debts. Some of them went back to living in Jackson's community, disgraced but feeling they knew the truth about him.


So get ready. Sources say that McManus, who comes across as hard-working, pleasant and sincere, has been waiting patiently for a decade to tell what she saw at the ranch. She is a long-time resident of the Santa Maria area, with a family and roots in the local community.


McManus is the only member of her group who didn't file for bankruptcy. But she's hardly bathing in cash from selling her story. Whatever remuneration she picked up in 1995 from tabloids was used for fighting Jackson, who then had a fortune at his disposal.


Since she was fired by Jackson, McManus — who's in her early 40s — has worked on and off for a local discount store. She's on her feet for eight hours every day with a lunch break. She doesn't have the money or time for plastic surgery or madcap shopping jaunts. The Nation of Islam doesn't provide her with security.


According to sources, she's so worried about recriminations from her testimony that she's pulled her college-aged son out of school temporarily to watch her house during the day while she continues to work. She needs to have a paycheck.


Sources say her family is frightened for her. Santa Maria is a small town. They are not looking forward to the bright light of celebrity when she testifies.


But McManus, sources tell me, has been suffering from anxiety attacks and sleeplessness for a long time. She feels that when she finally tells a jury what she saw, a friend says, "she will have peace."


And what did she see? Enough to make Jackson and his family squirm when she testifies, she says.


Among her recollections will be the comings and goings of certain young teenage boys she saw in Jackson's bedroom. For four years, she was the only Neverland employee with a key to that bedroom.


Jackson's security guards at the time were keenly aware of that, too. After the Chandler case broke in 1993, they started harassing her.


She will say, as she did in her deposition, that they chased her with stun guns and made her life miserable. She will name names, times and places.


She will say that in her opinion, Michael Jackson is a dangerous pedophile who must be stopped from ruining more lives.



The Jackson defense hopes that McManus will be rattled under cross-examination, that she will seem either crazy or vengeful or greedy or all three. But I think they are underestimating her.


McManus, unlike Jackson, is a peer of the jurors.


The other day Judge Rodney Melville characterized many of the witnesses so far as "lawyers and comedians."


McManus is neither. Once the jury hears a little about her personal life, her work and her history, they will see that she is one of them. If she weren't involved with the case, she would have been part of the jury pool.


McManus is not the only one of the five people who sued Jackson who will testify in the coming week.


Tentatively scheduled to appear very shortly is former security guard Ralph Chacon. He and two other security guards, Kaseem Abdool and Charli Michaels, also gave lengthy depositions in the 1995 case detailing first-person accounts of Jackson's allegedly inappropriate behavior with 13-year-old boys.


Defense attorneys will be barking objections to keep out Chacon's and Michaels' specifically disturbing recollections; Abdool is so far not scheduled.


The big question, though, is whether the prosecution is up to the presentation of these witnesses.


As in 1995, they will probably be questioned for Jackson by the eminently prepared Robert Sanger. He was the one who took them through the depositions and knows their stories backward and forward. Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen — the star of the prosecution team — will have his work cut out for him.


In fact, I'm told that so far, these key witnesses have had little preparation. The prosecution has been made so paranoid by Tom Mesereau's standard line of questioning — "Have you had meetings with the district attorney before today? Did you discuss your testimony?" — that they may be neglecting some important elements that would support these witnesses' appearances.


My advice: Get them haircuts and new suits. Call in "Extreme Makeover."


And for heaven's sake, don't permit a rerun of what happened with flight attendant Cynthia Ann Bell. She turned out to be the defense's best witness so far — and she was called to the stand by the prosecution




It seems that disgruntle employees are coming to the aid of the prosecution
and this is not good
Theirs one thing i am going to say, Jackson has made alot, alot, alot of enemies over the years.

and now is time for him to suffer.
Cause this is going to be an old fashion Barn Burner,

theirs nothing worst then scorned workers.
if Defense can't discredit these wittnesses
Prosecution just might have a case
[Edited 4/1/05 17:20pm]
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Reply #127 posted 04/01/05 7:48pm

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"... nothing worst then scorned workers.
if Defense can't discredit these wittnesses
Prosecution just might have a case..."


Hasn't the defense discredited every witness for the prosecution so far?
"New Power slide...."
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Reply #128 posted 04/01/05 8:15pm

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Hasn't the defense discredited every witness for the prosecution so far?


Everyone but George Lopez and Jaime Masada, but they said very little. Mesereau has put on a clinic so far.


Attorney Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. specializes in criminal defense (state and federal court) and civil trials. He is a partner with the firm of Collins, Mesereau, Reddock & Yu, LLP in Los Angeles. Tom was educated at Harvard University, The London School of Economics and The University of California’s Hastings College of Law. He appears often on national and local Los Angeles television and radio stations and lectures on various topics, including criminal law, civil rights and trial strategy.

Mr. Mesereau has served as counsel in many high-profile trials in Los Angeles County, as well as other parts of the United States. A noted defender of the underprivileged, Mr. Mesereau has received numerous awards from cities and churches for his contributions. He has been named the “Criminal Defense Lawyer of the Year” by the Century City Bar Association, Los Angeles, and has been listed as one of the “One Hundred Most Influential Attorneys in California” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal. Los Angeles Magazine has named Mr. Mesereau one of California’s “Super Lawyers.”



In a one-year period, Mr. Mesereau obtained seven (7) acquittals and two (2) hung juries in cases involving murder, drive-by shootings, robbery, assault and illegal weapon possession.



Mr. Mesereau has obtained numerous acquittals in criminal jury trials involving murder, the death penalty, securities fraud, health care fraud, business fraud, sex crimes (rape, child molestation, etc.), conspiracy, drugs, assaults, three strikes, gang violence, weapons violations and other alleged crimes. He has successfully defended and prosecuted civil cases through trial involving business fraud, legal malpractice, sexual harassment, real estate fraud and personal injury. Mr. Mesereau has successfully defended licensed professionals, including physicians and attorneys, in administrative licensure proceedings.



Sample cases defended by Mr. Mesereau include:



Thomas Mesereau is currently defending music legend Michael Jackson against conspiracy and child molestation charges. Mr. Mesereau says Mr. Jackson is innocent and will be acquitted and vindicated.



Mr. Mesereau defended actor Robert Blake against charges that Mr. Blake murdered his wife. He was successful in obtaining bail for Mr. Blake in a “murder with special circumstances” case – a result legal experts called impossible. Following the televised preliminary hearing, Court TV commentator Rikki Klieman called Thomas Mesereau “. . . if not the best, one of the best cross-examiners I have ever seen.” Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Lloyd Nash, who presided at the Blake preliminary hearing, called Mr. Mesereau “One of the finest lawyers I have ever seen.” Tom also obtained a dismissal of the “conspiracy to murder” charge prior to trial. “Irreconcilable differences” with Mr. Blake led to Mr. Mesereau’s withdrawl from this case, despite all of these victories.



Following the successful preliminary hearing in the Robert Blake case, Mr. Mesereau acquitted a man who had spent six years on Alabama’s death row for a double homicide in Alabama v. Wesley Quick. Mr. Quick had been convicted while represented by another lawyer. This case was tried before a jury in Birmingham, Alabama after a successful appeal.



Mr. Mesereau recently traveled to Bessemer, Alabama to defend a man charged with capital murder. He was facing the death penalty. On the day the trial was to start, the defendant was permitted to plead guilty to a marijuana charge and go home! This was a remarkable result in a death penalty case.



Thomas Mesereau has won numerous acquittals in sexual assault cases. Examples include the following:



Firefighter/paramedic charged with sexually assaulting two women in the ambulance during a twenty-hour shift: acquitted.



Husband/father charged with sexually assaulting daughter’s sixteen year old girlfriend in home: acquitted.



Swimming instructor at YMCA charged with molesting child/student: acquitted.



Husband/father charged with molesting child in his garage. The child lived across the street and claimed four acts of molestation: acquitted.



Three hundred and fifteen pound football player charged with raping a college student in her apartment: acquitted.



Mr. Mesereau was local counsel to boxer Mike Tyson and his legal team was successful in persuading the San Bernardino District Attorney’s Office not to file rape and sexual assault charges against Mr. Tyson.




Mr. Mesereau represented former CBS news anchorman, local celebrity, and currently KFWB broadcaster Larry Carroll who had been falsely indicted by a San Bernardino Grand Jury for securities fraud. After eleven (11) weeks in a jury trial in Rancho Cucamonga, California, the trial judge dismissed the case against Mr. Carroll “in the interest of justice,” resulting in a complete acquittal for Mr. Carroll.



A few weeks after Carroll victory, Mr. Mesereau defended a woman from San Bernardino, California who was charged with traveling to Los Angeles and murdering her ex-husband. The verdict was not guilty.



Mr. Mesereau defended local comedian and film actor A.J. Johnson who was charged with various felonies, including, kidnapping and assault with knife and firearm. Towards the end of the trial, the prosecutors agreed to allow Mr. Johnson to suffer no jail time and probation.



Mr. Mesereau defended a Los Angeles man charged with committing murder behind a nightclub in Gardena, California. The claim was self-defense. The jury verdict was not guilty.



Mr. Mesereau traveled to Bessemer, Alabama to defend a 24 year-old mother charged with murdering her 22-month old infant daughter. She was facing the death penalty in a very high-profile case. Mr. Mesereau’s client was found not guilty of murder and convicted on a lesser charge of manslaughter.



In a three-strikes case that has received media attention, Mr. Mesereau defended a former Los Angeles gang member who was facing a 25-year to life sentence for drug possession. The case went to a jury trial in Torrance, California and the verdict was not guilty.



Mr. Mesereau traveled to Birmingham, Alabama to defend a homeless black man who was facing the death penalty for allegedly shooting a beautiful, 21-year old white woman to death during a robbery. This case was the lead story on the evening news in Alabama throughout the trial. Mr. Mesereau was asked by two local white lawyers to assist in this case because they needed help and were receiving death threats. Mr. Mesereau cross-examined all of the witnesses who had identified his client as the killer and, for the first time in Alabama history, Mr. Mesereau called an eyewitness identification expert to testify about the problems of cross-racial identification. Mr. Mesereau’s client was acquitted of all counts. This case continues to generate controversy.



Mr. Mesereau defended an alleged Los Angeles gang member, allegedly known as “Little Hit-Man,” who was charged with murdering a rival in broad daylight at a major intersection. Three eyewitnesses identified the defendant as the killer. The verdict was not guilty.



He defended a former choir member at the First A.M.E. Church, who was charged with murdering her mother, a First A.M.E. Trustee. The prosecution claimed that the murder weapon, a handgun, was located in the dresser drawer of the defendant’s bedroom and that she had repeatedly lied about the facts on a 911 call and to police officers. The first trial resulted in a hung jury. In a re-trial, the defendant was acquitted of first and second-degree murder. She was convicted on a lesser charge of manslaughter.



Thomas Mesereau has received many awards for his contributions to the criminal justice system and to minority communities. Once a year, Mr. Mesereau travels to Alabama to defend a death penalty trial without charging any legal fees. He has represented an indigent defendant in a death penalty case in Mississippi (pro bono) that resulted in a successful plea bargain on the eve of trial. Quite often, he is asked to speak about his experiences in the justice system to various organizations and groups.



Mr. Mesereau is a co-sponsor and active participant in the free legal clinic at First African Methodist Episcopal Church, Los Angeles. Two Sunday mornings a month, Tom and other volunteer lawyers donate their time and expertise to poor people who cannot afford a lawyer. Tom also participates and donates his time to the “Save Our Sons” organization at Crenshaw United Methodist Church, Los Angeles. This organization is run by mothers whose sons are incarcerated and who need advice on various legal issues. Mr. Mesereau serves on the advisory board and donates his time to “n-Action,” a non-profit organization devoted to assisting women and their children with making a positive re-entry into society following incarceration.



Thomas Mesereau has marched with and supports the “Mothers of Watts, Los Angeles” and their children in opposition to gang violence and crime. He also assists and supports various organizations who seek to reform our laws so that they will be more equitable.



Mr. Mesereau was awarded a “Certificate of Appreciation” from Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke due to his dedicated service to the citizens of Los Angeles County. On the same evening, Mr. Mesereau received an award from the Reverend Cecil Murray, Senior Minister of the First African Methodist Episcopal Church for the many hours of volunteer time he had devoted to the church’s free legal clinic. Mr. Mesereau received the Sarah Allen Women’s Missionary Society of First A.M.E. Church, Los Angeles Award for his contributions to the African-American and other minority communities. He also received a formal commendation from the Compton Seventh-Day Adventist Church for the time and effort he has given to pro-bono legal services in Los Angeles. Mr. Mesereau has received a Certificate of Appreciation from the African-American Community Empowerment Organization, a Los Angeles-based group devoted to assisting “at-risk” youth and developing their skills and goals. He previously received the Compton, California School Board President’s Award for “Outstanding Contributions to the Children of the Compton Unified School District.” He has also received an award from The State Bar of California Board of Governors for providing pro bono legal services to low income Californians.



Mr. Mesereau has received the “Humanitarian Award” from The National Association of Blacks in Criminal Justice (NABCJ), “In Recognition Of Your Ongoing Commitment To Justice for All.” Mr. Mesereau has conducted seminars for NABCJ on various aspects of the criminal justice system.



This guy probably coulda got Winona off. biggrin
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Reply #129 posted 04/02/05 1:26am

calldapplwonde
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Don't you think that with a staff as big as his he's not personally responsible for every disgruntled ex-employee?
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Reply #130 posted 04/02/05 8:16am

Luv4oneanotha

calldapplwondery83 said:

Don't you think that with a staff as big as his he's not personally responsible for every disgruntled ex-employee?

Doesn't matter

They seem to have axes to grind,

and are very, very vengeful

it doesn't even matter if they're telling the truth or not, the Jury is going to hear them out, just cause they're members of the Community
Just like them...
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Reply #131 posted 04/02/05 9:33am

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She will say that in her opinion, Michael Jackson is a dangerous pedophile who must be stopped from ruining more lives.




and why hasn´t she told the police before? What the hell was she waiting for all those years?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #132 posted 04/02/05 7:54pm

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RogerFriedman said:

They're about to hear stories from the early '90s that will put the curl back in Jackson's fluffy, straightened, blown-out hair.


whofarted
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Reply #133 posted 04/02/05 9:40pm

LightOfArt

Change your style Roger, not excited a bit.
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Reply #134 posted 04/02/05 11:44pm

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Jackson witness is linked to America's most infamous child sex claims
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
03 April 2005


A few days ago prosecutors in the Michael Jackson case arguably hit their lowest point - by showing obvious embarrassment at a man touted as one of their star witnesses. On the stand was Stan Katz, the psychologist who first interviewed the teenage boy at the centre of the case and subsequently reported his allegations of sexual abuse to the police. The jury and press gallery were primed to hear a detailed account of what Gavin Arviso disclosed to Dr Katz about Jackson's alleged attempts to seduce him.

Instead, Tom Sneddon, the Santa Barbara County district attorney, did little more than establish the circumstances of Dr Katz's involvement and then, after barely half an hour, abruptly terminated his questioning. The prosecutor's reticence almost certainly had to do with Dr Katz's association with one of the most notorious child sex abuse investigations in American history - a catalogue of appalling professional errors and mass hysteria surrounding a Los Angeles area pre-school in the 1980s that scarred dozens of lives but failed to lead to a single criminal conviction.

Dr Katz's organisation, Children's Institute International, believed at the time it had uncovered sex crimes and satanic rituals at the McMartin pre-school in Manhattan Beach. After interviewing 400 current and former students, it concluded that 369 of them had been sexually abused - lured into underground tunnels, forced to perform bizarre forms of devil-worship including the disinterment of coffins, raped at a car wash and filmed with their adult abusers for pornographic purposes.

The problem with CII's "discoveries" was not only that they failed to meet the basic test of plausibility. They were also based on highly coercive interviews, in which the children systematically denied anything was amiss until the interviewers started putting ideas into their heads. Over and over, the children were asked if they had participated in a certain "game" or if a teacher had touched them. If they said no, they were called "dumb". If they said yes, they were called "smart".

When the case reached trial, jurors were able to see the coercive techniques for themselves because the interviews had all been videotaped. Not a shred of corroborating evidence ever surfaced and the defendants, all members of the same family, were exonerated. Among family psychology professionals, the case is now a byword for how not to conduct a sex abuse investigation.

CII has never conducted a thorough review of its mistakes in the McMartin case, and indeed the woman who conducted the bulk of the sex abuse interviews - a social worker with no formal training in psychology or family therapy called Kee MacFarlane - was later promoted to become CII's director of education and training. She has since left the organisation, but continues to consult and lecture on child abuse.

All this, of course, plays very nicely into the hands of Mr Jackson's defence lawyers. Mr Sneddon's abbreviated questioning of Dr Katz denied them the opportunity to reveal the full horrors of the McMartin case to the jury last week, but they did get Dr Katz to acknowledge that he was personally involved.

The association with McMartin is not an automatic black mark on Dr Katz's reputation. The science of sex abuse evaluation was in its infancy in the 1980s, and he was not personally responsible for Ms MacFarlane's interview techniques.

Likewise, his involvement in the Jackson trial neither augments nor diminishes the credibility of Gavin Arviso and his brother Star, who allege that Jackson put his hand inside Gavin's underpants and masturbated him at least twice while the boys were guests at his Neverland ranch in central California.

But Dr Katz does present the latest of a series of headaches for the prosecutors, who badly need some authoritative figures with direct knowledge of the case to tell the court why the boys should be believed - despite the vagueness of some parts of their account and their acknowledged record of lies and rowdy behaviour.

For this purpose, Dr Katz is effectively useless, the risk being that he could only fuel the defence's contention that Mr Jackson's accusers are being egged on by a cabal of unscrupulous professionals out to fleece him for as much money as they can.

He and the private litigation lawyer Larry Feldman, who referred the Arvisos to him, were both involved in an earlier case against Mr Jackson, in which Jordy Chandler, then 13, accused the singer of molesting him. Chandler's family dropped their charges only after receiving a $20m (£10.6m) settlement.

It is far from proven that the allegations against Mr Jackson are part of a witch-hunt analogous to the McMartin case, but that does not mean that the defence won't try to argue it anyway.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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No DNA Evidence Found On Sheets

Sheets seized from Michael Jackson’s bed contained no DNA trace of his young accuser, an investigator revealed today.

Sgt Jeff Klapackis told Santa Maria court, California, every bit of bedding was taken but not a single hair or any DNA could be linked to the 13-year-old.

Both he and his brother have claimed they frequently slept in Jackson’s bed.

Associated Press

"Mj should release an album after this is all over,
Write a bunch of songs about prince and call it sell out" - Queen Latifah lol lol lol lol
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