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Reply #90 posted 03/29/05 5:09am

muttley

Am I the only one that thinks that even if Mike is found not guilty, I cant listen to his music anymore?

After hearing that he paid almost 3 million to ANOTHER kid blows my mind.

I cant believe that everyone is out to get him. And the "my back hurts but I ll do a 180 to wave to the crowd" routine just seals it for me.

Mike needs to do some time either in a correctional facility or a mental institution to get his life in order.

Great career ruined because he doesnt want to grow up..... sad

Mutts
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Reply #91 posted 03/29/05 5:19am

Marrk

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muttley said:

Am I the only one that thinks that even if Mike is found not guilty, I cant listen to his music anymore?

After hearing that he paid almost 3 million to ANOTHER kid blows my mind.

I cant believe that everyone is out to get him. And the "my back hurts but I ll do a 180 to wave to the crowd" routine just seals it for me.

Mike needs to do some time either in a correctional facility or a mental institution to get his life in order.

Great career ruined because he doesnt want to grow up..... sad

Mutts


So even if he's found not guilty you're going to give up on his music? rolleyes

Ignore that Mcmartin crap i was misadvised.
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Reply #92 posted 03/29/05 5:27am

muttley

Marrk said:

muttley said:

Am I the only one that thinks that even if Mike is found not guilty, I cant listen to his music anymore?

After hearing that he paid almost 3 million to ANOTHER kid blows my mind.

I cant believe that everyone is out to get him. And the "my back hurts but I ll do a 180 to wave to the crowd" routine just seals it for me.

Mike needs to do some time either in a correctional facility or a mental institution to get his life in order.

Great career ruined because he doesnt want to grow up..... sad

Mutts


So even if he's found not guilty you're going to give up on his music? rolleyes

FYI, ever hear about the McMartin case?, 40 kids accused this guy of abuse and guess what? not guilty. It was all a lie. It happens.


Good Morning,

I do not know who McMartin is, maybe you can provide a link? Anyway, the pattern of paying these kids is more disturbing to me than anything. If you didnt do anything, why pay millions of dollars?

I know that if I didnt touch you, I am NOT giving up my loot!

But I still stand by my post. Every time I see Mike know I am in shock over his behavior and the accusations. BTW I would tell Mike to tone down on the "Stage Wear" and wear a regular suit and tie.

But that is just me

Mutts
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Reply #93 posted 03/29/05 6:28am

LightOfArt

I couldnt find his original drawing and description, but that's what it looked like.


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Reply #94 posted 03/29/05 6:42am

Marrk

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LightOfArt said:

I couldnt find his original drawing and description, but that's what it looked like.


[Edited 3/29/05 6:30am]


It's a mushroom! I'm getting flashbacks! lol
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Reply #95 posted 03/29/05 10:01am

Luv4oneanotha

you leave for a few days

and veerything is going to hell

Well i told ya, it happened

i had a weird feeling

because if i was in Judge Melville's place i would've done the exact same thing!
speaking from an unbiased point of view.

If i was to judge an alleged molester with previous bad acts
i would have no choice to let that evidence in!

the reason i objected to this
was because it would lead to a lengthy trial.

but this is not necesarily a bad thing!
as many have said
this could be the END game, Mj could use to completely clear his name.
Let all the evidence in?

the prosecution is in a faulty ways

cause 3 out of thier five witnesses say nothing has happened
and one refuses to testify

The maid(if you all saw that garbage movie, the man in the mirror)
has quite a bad history as well...

so this isn't really bad

THESE are the boys Michael Jackson allegedly abused in 1992-93, and will be presented as evidence in the Michael Jackson trial:

MACAULAY CULKIN:
Former Jackson employees due to claim they saw abuse, which Culkin denies. Jackson admited sleeping with him and brother Kieran in the documentary "Living With Michael Jackson". - nothing happened

JASON FRANCIA:
The only one who will testify. Francia says he was molested three times. He and his mother Bianca, an ex-maid/employee for Michael Jackson, allegedly got £1.3million payoff in 1994.

JORDY CHANDLER:
Witnesses will say they saw his undies and Jackson's by a bed. Jordy made an estimated £16 million settlement.- will not testify

WADE ROBSON:
Britney Spears' Aussie choreographer began sleeping in singer's bedroom aged five after lookalike contest. Wade now has his own programe on MTV. - nothing happened

BRETT BARNES:
The australian, now 23, spent two years by star's side. Slept in same bed at 11, but denies abuse. - nothing happened
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Reply #96 posted 03/29/05 10:49am

lilgish

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ThaCat said:

Marrk said:


It's on the smoking gun website somwhere. a very childish drawing that looks like a 5yr old attempting to draw a house but forgetting to draw windows and a door. It's quite pathetic. It's been rumoured that Evan Chandler is responsible for the descriptions around the 'artists impression'.


see that was the only sort of evidence I was very uneasy with when the detective said the descriptions of his genitals matched jordys words. but if that allegation is false, surely that documentary should get sued for wrongful conduct of a character, because statements like that will hurt Mj's case esp if this is brought up in court,, its this question I have always wanted to know if it was true or not, because basically thats the only means of true evidence the prosecutor has!


Matt Drudge on that topic. http://site.mjeol.com/



Jacko's Former Flack Won't Lie
Tuesday, March 29, 2005
By Roger Friedman


Jacko's Former Flack Won't Lie

Michael Jackson's former PR guy is not going to lie for his ex-boss. And that's a good thing.

Bob Jones, who was with Jacko for over 20 years and knows all his secrets, got caught in the whirlpool of the pop star's scandal yesterday.

In court, District Attorney Tom Sneddon fingered Jones as a key witness who would come in and testify that he saw inappropriate activity between Jackson and an underage boy.

But it turns out that Sneddon may have gotten his signals crossed.

Apparently, he got his hands on a book proposal submitted by agent Laurie Liss of the Sterling Lord Literistic Agency in New York.

The proposal was co-written by Stacy Brown and Dennis Love. The authors' previous work was a biography of Stevie Wonder's mother, currently hovering around No. 450,000 on Amazon.com's sales rankings.


In the proposal, Brown and Love claimed that Jones had seen Jackson do something "inappropriate" to the boy, who received a $20 million settlement from Jackson in 1994.

But later in court, defense attorney Tom Mesereau announced that Jones had recanted his statement.

Indeed, my sources say that Jones never claimed to have seen anything unsavory. He's very upset about the book proposal getting out and having something wrong in it, my insider says.

In fact, if Jones takes the stand, he will only say that he saw Jackson curled up in an airplane seat with the boy on a flight home from Europe. No kissing, touching, licking or anything else.

This entire episode is proving to be something of a nightmare for Jones. I told you back in September that he was shopping the book proposal as the result of Michael's brother Randy Jackson firing him without notice on June 10, 2004.

Jones was so affronted by Randy's lack of care in handling his dismissal that he immediately consulted an attorney and became, at least for a time, Jackson's potential enemy, my source said.

But Randy's poor handling of Jones' situation is only one of the severe problems facing the defense in the Jackson trial.

Yesterday, I spent the entire day in court and noticed at least a couple of holes in the Jackson campaign.

For one thing, Mesereau and his sidekick Brian Oxman barely speak to each other. Oxman is relegated to "the kids' table," far from the real action up front where Mesereau sits with his real partner in this case, Robert Sanger.

The other problem with Jackson's team is a complete lack of spin control or guidance present at the courthouse or in Santa Maria.

Jackson's so-called PR expert, Raymone Bain, wasn't here to interpret yesterday's major ruling on his alleged "prior acts" of sexual abuse.

I spotted her on TV later last night acting like an expert, but that didn't help anyone here.

Of course, lack of funds could preclude Bain from being here on a regular basis, but the absence of someone in charge is keenly felt.

The single biggest problem in the Jackson case, in fact, has been Michael's inability, or rather insistence, on making enemies out of people who could help him.

Jones is one. His ex-wife Debbie Rowe and former business partner Marc Schaffel are two more.

There's one more. But that person, who shall go unnamed for now, will surprise him even more.

No Surprises With Jacko's 'Prior Acts'

District Attorney Tom Sneddon made an impressive announcement yesterday of about 30 witnesses he plans on bringing into court to explore Michael Jackson's alleged "prior acts" of sexual abuse.

In his plea to the judge, he didn't use names. Instead, he read off what they would say.

But in the end, there were no surprises when Judge Rodney Melville read the names of the nine witnesses he would allow the prosecution to grill.

In fact, Sneddon appears to be trying the 1993 case he never a chance got to tackle. He will not offer a single witness who has anything to say about what Jackson has done in the past decade.

The witnesses Melville read off are the aforementioned Bob Jones, plus June Chandler, mother of the boy who received $20 million in 1994; former Jackson maid Blanca Francia and her son, Jason Francia, who received $2 million from Jackson in 1994; and a group of disgruntled former Neverland employees, including Philip and Stella LeMarque.

Four former employees who sued Jackson for wrongful dismissal, and lost, will also testify: Ralph Chacon, Charli Michaels, Adrian McManus and Charmagne Sternberg.

In other words, Sneddon will offer no bombshells or surprises. Only Jason Francia promises first-person recital of some kind of sexual abuse. For that, his mother took $2 million from Jackson and $20,000 from the TV show "Hard Copy." All the others will bring third-party reporting.

Sneddon's Evidence Is Based on Banned Porn

What's really interesting is that every boy Sneddon would like to paint as a victim of Michael Jackson comes from a book written by Victor Gutierrez.

The book, "Michael Jackson Was My Lover," was not published in the U.S. because Jackson won a libel suit against the author.

Gutierrez's writing is much more pornographic than anything the police say they found at Neverland.

The boys mentioned in the book are actor Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears choreographer and MTV star Wade Robson, Pepsi commercial actor Jimmy Safechuck and the less well-known Jonathan Spence and Brett Barnes.

Gutierrez, it is rumored, made up a lot of his material after stitching together bits and pieces of speculation from the maid who worked for the Chandlers, the family at the center of the 1993 case.

Sneddon doesn't have a boy who is not named by Gutierrez, or one who has spent any time with Jackson.

The judge himself ruled out testimony about Safechuck and Barnes. Culkin, Robson and Spence categorically deny anything inappropriate ever happened to them at the hands of Jackson.

The most interesting witness allowed by Judge Rodney Melville could be June Chandler. She hasn't seen her son in 11 years, and he hasn't spoken to her or his younger sister in that time.

June Chandler's desperation to appear as a her son's defender and champion on the stand is understood. But she received $1.5 million from Jackson in 1994, and defense attorney Thomas Mesereau could make her feel worse than she already does in his cross-examination.
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Reply #97 posted 03/29/05 11:32am

calldapplwonde
ry83

I try my best to understandd all of this, but I'm having problems with some words. Still, it seems that Sneddon's case will blow. I think, if he's really, really, REALLY honest to himself, he starts to doubt his own damn case.
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Reply #98 posted 03/29/05 12:18pm

doctormcmeekle

VoicesCarry said:





Is it just me or is anyone else imagining them all naked?

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Reply #99 posted 03/29/05 4:17pm

Annastesia22

doctormcmeekle said:

VoicesCarry said:





Is it just me or is anyone else imagining them all naked?

confused
Bunch of fucking freaks rainbow
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Reply #100 posted 03/29/05 5:44pm

superspaceboy

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VoicesCarry said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


yah i know the wig lol


That is the most obvious chin implant I've ever seen. lol What did they do, glue it to his jaw and hope it stayed?


It looks like the whole face is glued on.

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Reply #101 posted 03/29/05 10:46pm

dag

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Jones is one. His ex-wife Debbie Rowe and former business partner Marc Schaffel are two more

What would you think, guys, if Debbie testified against Michael after all those heartbreaking interviews she´s given?

As for June Chandler - I am really looking forward to what she´s going to say, cause I´ve heard rumours that it was her who was supposed to be MJ´s lover, not her son. I think that Michael´s father recently released a book in Germany where he confirms that. Question is now if it´s really true.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #102 posted 03/30/05 2:57am

nd33

Wonder how/if this could affect the old allegations comin into the trial:

"Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran dead"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/U...index.html

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Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss...
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Reply #103 posted 03/30/05 3:38am

Annastesia22

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OMG... sad mad confused neutral

Look at his cheeks lol thats why he wears his hair in his face
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Reply #104 posted 03/30/05 6:56am

LightOfArt

Wednesday, March 30, 2005
By Roger Friedman
Stewardess Comes to Jacko's Rescue


Cynthia Ann Bell, an utterly charming stewardess for Xtra Jet, did a lot to save Michael Jackson's hide yesterday.

In front of a jury hearing charges of child molestation, Bell recalled a flight she made with Jackson and 10 other people from Miami to Santa Barbara, Calif., on Feb. 7, 2003 by private plane.

At issue was the allegation that Jackson served liquor to a minor in a Diet Coke can. Not only did Bell deny this allegation, she added some unknown details. She said that she "carded" the then-16-year-old sister of the accusing teenage boy in the Jackson case. Nevertheless, she served her liquor.

Bell also said that Jackson hated turbulence and was a "private drinker," preferring to hide his wine or vodka in a container or soda can. She conceded, however, that on this flight he did not ask for the concealment — she did it on her own. She insisted that Jackson never shared his liquor with the accusing boy.


But Bell had harsh words for the boy, recalling that he started a food fight on the plane, complained that his chicken dinner was cold and was "unusually rude and discourteous. It was embarrassing to have him on board, actually."

The stewardess also recalled that the accusing boy talked about "getting a watch from Michael" and boasted that "it was very expensive."

Bell, called as a prosecution witness, did more harm than good for District Attorney Tom Sneddon. The jury seemed captivated by her. Bell's testimony continues today.

Jacko Accuser's Dad Set Up as Fall Guy

After comedy club owner Jamie Masada and comedian George Lopez testified in the Michael Jackson trial this week, one thing is pretty clear: District Attorney Tom Sneddon is trying to separate the accuser's parents in the minds of the jury. The goal is to paint the father as a bad guy and grifter, while the mother is simply religious and pure.

But guess what? The father is not going to take this lying down. His attorney told me yesterday that the father is not the selfish moneygrubber depicted by Lopez and Masada. For example, when the accuser's mother was awarded $163,000 in her settlement from JC Penney, the father's "take" was a mere $5,000. What happened to the remaining dough?

"You'll have to ask her," the attorney said.

Listening to Lopez and Masada, as well as to Lopez's articulate wife Ann, the jury got an earful about the accuser's mother. What's really come to light is that she had an usual knack for eliciting money and gifts without actually asking for it.

Masada said in his often contentious and humorous testimony that the mother never asked him for things. Rather, she would present a dire situation — no money, no furniture, need for karate lessons — and let him finish the sentence. Masada, overly generous by his own description, would rush to fill the void.

It was a clever method of passive aggressive greed on the part of the mother. And while the district attorney would like the jury to think her ex-husband was the only one who was conning celebrities, Masada told a few stories that undermined this strategy.

When the accuser's mother left her husband, her boyfriend, Jay Jackson, then became her tool for doing the fundraising dirty work. It was Jay Jackson, Masada recalled, who filled in for the father. And it was Jay Jackson who let it drop to Masada that the kids needed karate lessons, but they were "expensive."

"I said, how much will take it make this happen?" Masada recalled.

He wrote a check immediately, not realizing he'd been suckered. Perhaps he still doesn't realize it because on the stand he said he never asked Jay Jackson how much his income was. The answer: $80,000 a year. In trading a husband for a boyfriend, the accuser's mother had moved up financially without informing her steadfast benefactor.

The picture of the accuser's mother that's come in clear over the last few days shows that she was simultaneously accepting welfare, alimony, the JC Penney settlement and charity from a variety of sources — all the time keeping everyone involved in the dark.

Masada ran fundraisers for her at her club, but she never told him about the JC Penney lawsuit and never mentioned the six figure settlement to him. He first heard it about after the Jackson scandal broke. Then, while erstwhile comic and radio executive Louise Palanker was giving her $20,000, Janet was not only buying DVD players and cosmetic surgery, she was also accepting charity from the LAPD in the form of a Christmas tree and presents.

Within the same year, she was also soliciting press in a local weekly newspaper, which resulted in another "fund" for her poor family. I can't wait to see a PowerPoint presentation on all this in court. Done properly, it could alternate as the proposal for a book she could publish about how to have it all.

There's more that will come out about the dark side of the accuser's family. I told you in February 2004 that the mother spent time in a Los Angeles mental hospital in 1988. This was revealed in court papers from her ongoing bitter custody battle with her ex-husband, who filed an affidavit with Los Angeles Superior Court on Jan. 28, 2004.

The father, a union member who says he's currently taking part in the supermarket worker strike in Los Angeles, claims that his wife spent time at the Kaiser Permanente Mental Health facility in downtown L.A. in 1998. He does not specify how much time she spent there.

H. Russell Halpern, the father's lawyer in his custody case, reiterated yesterday that the statement is true and that insurance records will back it up. Halpern said he didn't know how much time the accuser's mother spent in the facility.

George Lopez, his wife and Jamie Masada all testified this week that the mother was not a presence when the accuser was being treated for cancer. The father was constantly on hand, even if according to testimony he was also looking for a handout.

"David slept in a chair at his son's bedside," Halpern observed. "When [the mother] came to the hospital, she engaged her husband in shouting matches."

In his affidavit, the father — who was accused by his ex-wife of domestic abuse during their divorce — paints a picture of an unstable woman who's convinced her children to make up stories in other situations that might benefit them.

The father also claims in his affidavit that his ex-wife coached their kids to lie in her case against JC Penney.

"She would write questions and answers for the kids," he writes, "to study and practice with her."

According to court papers, the mother went back into Family Court on March 11, 2003 to have her child support payments increased to $1,499 a month — almost double what she'd been receiving. At the time, the mother was also the beneficiary of $769 a month in public assistance.

The date of the mother's demand for more money from her ex-husband is interesting in that she filed for emergency help on March 3, 2003. Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon's charges against Jackson are seven counts of child molestation between Feb. 6 and March 10. The sudden need for more money seems to coincide with the family's ouster from Neverland after a year and a half of living off Michael's largesse.
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Reply #105 posted 03/30/05 7:16am

Annastesia22

I dont why you all post everything that goes on in the trial ,we all know he will be innocent

he will walk away free ,to have more sleepovers at Neverland

but only 13 year old light skinned boys will be welcome ,but he wont do anything to them just read them stories and have cookies and milk in his secret room ,and how did Jordon Chandler know what his penis looked like ...well maybe he saw it when Michael was beside him in the bath lol


listen ..he is sick but if OJ can get away with murder
im sure Michael will get away with this ,only in America kitty
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Reply #106 posted 03/30/05 7:30am

Cloudbuster

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Annastesia22 said:

...the usual shit...


Okay, we're bored of you now. We know you don't like MJ and refuse to look at both sides of the story. Go and play 'stuck record' elsewhere, will ya? wink
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Reply #107 posted 03/30/05 7:42am

Annastesia22

Cloudbuster said:

Annastesia22 said:

...the usual shit...


Okay, we're bored of you now. We know you don't like MJ and refuse to look at both sides of the story. Go and play 'stuck record' elsewhere, will ya? wink
But he will not be found guilty ..are you not happy about that ?
you have to admit he has some problems ,and i know the boys family have lied

but he needs help even his fans should admit that ,i wont say anymore i promise after this
just this trial is a joke on both sides kitty

and btw i love Cloudbusting ,Kate Bush is one of my hero's smile
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Reply #108 posted 03/30/05 8:47am

Luv4oneanotha

Annastesia22 said:

Cloudbuster said:



Okay, we're bored of you now. We know you don't like MJ and refuse to look at both sides of the story. Go and play 'stuck record' elsewhere, will ya? wink
But he will not be found guilty ..are you not happy about that ?
you have to admit he has some problems ,and i know the boys family have lied

but he needs help even his fans should admit that ,i wont say anymore i promise after this
just this trial is a joke on both sides kitty

and btw i love Cloudbusting ,Kate Bush is one of my hero's smile


Cloudy is not talking about innocence or guilt, you are
see the difference is Cloudy knows MJ's innocent based on previous evidence post
You say mj will walk based on previous celebrity cases
Your case is fallable
but you do have the right to your opinion
even if it is quite stupid, no offence

Now obviously you don't need much evidence to be convinced of Jackson's guilt
most likely because of personal Vandetta, which is quite common and i understand

Their was two reasons why OJ Simpson walked,
One of them was Johnny Cochran (Rip)
and the other was the 92 LA riots and Rodney King incident

Majority of black people then felt that was a preverbial Payback...
The jury didn't convict him because of possible discrimination during the investigation, their was a racist detctive
not including the gloves didn't fit etc...

To compare a murder trial and Molestation trial is fool hardy just because they are celebrity cases
and they are in different time frames

OJ was loved everywhere,
MJ not so much anymore...

the balanced tipped in OJ's favor
MJ not so much

Not many people presumed OJ guilty befor ethe verdict and evidence
Damn near everybody presumed MJ was guilty before proper evidence

so its not the same case.

If the MJ trial was in 93, MJ would of walked, i guarantee it, just because of the LA riots
you have one black person on that jury and they would walk him

I do respect your opinion, because its in every way valid as mine
But i do reccomend that you study the options before judging
Because MJ has a better chance of going to jail than OJ ever did...
i assure you
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Reply #109 posted 03/30/05 9:34am

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Bell, called as a prosecution witness, did more harm than good for District Attorney Tom Sneddon. The jury seemed captivated by her. Bell's testimony continues today.


See...what the hell? Again...with feeling...THESE ARE PROSECUTION WITNESSES? omfg
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Reply #110 posted 03/30/05 10:50am

Cloudbuster

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Annastesia22 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Okay, we're bored of you now. We know you don't like MJ and refuse to look at both sides of the story. Go and play 'stuck record' elsewhere, will ya? wink


But he will not be found guilty ..are you not happy about that ?


We'll see in time what the verdict is. wink

you have to admit he has some problems


You don't say! lol

and i know the boys family have lied


You don't say! lol

but he needs help even his fans should admit that


Maybe. But you can't force people into therapy.

i wont say anymore i promise after this
just this trial is a joke on both sides kitty


On both sides? hmm

and btw i love Cloudbusting ,Kate Bush is one of my hero's smile


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Reply #111 posted 03/30/05 1:51pm

papaa

JUNE7

Can you please point me in the direction of Thread V?

Thanks.
M.2.K
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Reply #112 posted 03/30/05 2:09pm

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Michael Jackson arrived today for court again with another huge smile on his face.

Yesterday in court, the jury heard from Cynthia Bell, one of the flight attendants on that now famous plane ride where the accuser claimed he was given alcohol by Jackson in a diet coke can.

Bell completely shot the previous alcohol testimony by the accusing family concerning that plane ride to shreds. She says since it wasn't a large plane, she could see what was going on. She testified that she never saw Jackson and the accuser sharing a can, which she says had white wine in it.

She never saw Jackson licking anybody's head either. Bell says that he was always had his children beside him and/or sitting on his lap. She confirmed that he is sometimes a nervous flyer.

Just as important, she revealed that it was HER idea to put white wine in a coke can for Jackson since apparently he doesn't like either his children or other children to see him drink.

Bell testified that Jackson has never asked her to put wine in a coke can. And that she has served other clients in the same manner as well.

She blasted the accuser's behavior on that plane ride as well. She called him obnoxious, demanding and said it was embarrassing to have him on the flight.

Bell even blew the whistle on the accuser's sister. She says the sister ordered alcohol on that flight. Apparently, at the time, she had no idea how old the sister was. Bell carded her and was shown an ID saying she was of legal age.

Well, the public now knows the sister was only about 16. Thus, the ID was fake. The sister had previously testified that the only time she'd drank alcohol was when it was given to her by Jackson so she obviously lied on the stand.


Gotcha Bitch lol
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Reply #113 posted 03/30/05 2:28pm

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If you've got time. click on the link below for what's going on currently in court. The prosecutions witnesses get better an better for MJ. Didn't know Feldman (the lawyer from '93 and the lawyer the grifter family contacted) and Katz (the shrink from '93 and 2003) are related. apparently their kids are married! lol oops! i meant hmm

shadier and shadier.

http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...topic=4835
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Reply #114 posted 03/30/05 2:34pm

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Marrk said:

If you've got time. click on the link below for what's going on currently in court. The prosecutions witnesses get better an better for MJ. Didn't know Feldman (the lawyer from '93 and the lawyer the grifter family contacted) and Katz (the shrink from '93 and 2003) are related. apparently their kids are married! lol oops! i meant hmm

shadier and shadier.

http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...topic=4835


yea, i belong to this and many other mj boards, my name is rheumatism on here....
MJ fans definitely need a centralized board like the org. I dunno, nothing is like the org, Prince fans are so smart about music. MJ fans are in love biggrin
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Reply #115 posted 03/30/05 2:55pm

Marrk

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lilgish said:

Marrk said:

If you've got time. click on the link below for what's going on currently in court. The prosecutions witnesses get better an better for MJ. Didn't know Feldman (the lawyer from '93 and the lawyer the grifter family contacted) and Katz (the shrink from '93 and 2003) are related. apparently their kids are married! lol oops! i meant hmm

shadier and shadier.

http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...topic=4835


yea, i belong to this and many other mj boards, my name is rheumatism on here....
MJ fans definitely need a centralized board like the org. I dunno, nothing is like the org, Prince fans are so smart about music. MJ fans are in love biggrin
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I do post on there (not a great deal), to be honest i find it too, erm 'flowery' and gushing, and to be frank in some cases pretty scary. i do follow the daily court thread fervently though. Michael isn't perfect in everyway, nobody is. Just don't dare criticize in any way or they think you're a mole from the courttv boards. the level of devotion is quite scary from some posters there.
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Reply #116 posted 03/30/05 10:57pm

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a picture from yesterday. biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #117 posted 03/31/05 12:15am

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a picture from yesterday. biggrin


So, his mother has started to bleach her skin too? Just compare it to Joe in the background! (Just kidding, this just shows how much the amount of lightning matters in photography)
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NEW YORK TIMES

March 31, 2005

At Jackson Trial Psychologist Testifies Briefly About Interview

By CHARLIE LeDUFF

SANTA MARIA, Calif., March 30 - Testimony in the child molesting trial of Michael Jackson took an odd twist on Wednesday because of what was not said.

The psychologist who had first interviewed Mr. Jackson's teenage accuser and who was widely expected to detail what the boy had told him about Mr. Jackson was called to the stand by prosecutors. But the public heard no prurient nuggets, as prosecutors conducted a remarkably brief questioning of the psychologist, Dr. Stanley J. Katz.

What did emerge, however, was the contorted way in which Mr. Jackson came to find himself seated in court, clinging not only to his battered celebrity, but also to his freedom.

Dr. Katz was not asked, and so did not offer, any fresh or corroborating elements to the boy's three days of testimony. The senior deputy district attorney of Santa Barbara County, Ron Zonen, limited his questions to about three minutes about interviewing the family and in doing so avoided inconsistencies and lost recollections that plagued the testimony of the boy, now 15.

Nevertheless, Mr. Jackson's lawyer, Thomas A. Mesereau Jr., tried gamely. He suggested that Dr. Katz was involved in a well-planned shakedown of his client. He pointed out that Dr. Katz had worked before with the boy's lawyer, Larry Feldman, on another sex case against Mr. Jackson.

In 1993, Mr. Feldman represented a 13-year-old who said Mr. Jackson had molested him. The boy received a $20 million settlement with the caveat that he remain silent. Mr. Jackson was never charged in that case.

It became clear as the morning wore on that the current case made its way to trial only after a circuitous journey. In early 2003, after a documentary featuring the boy holding Mr. Jackson's hand had been broadcast, the boy's mother spoke with the owner of a comedy club, Jamie Masada, who had befriended the family. Mr. Masada put her in touch with his lawyer, Bill Dickerman. Mr. Dickerman put her in touch with Mr. Feldman in exchange for a percentage of any money that Mr. Feldman might gain in a civil suit against the singer in connection with the boy.

Mr. Feldman then contacted Dr. Katz. The doctor said he conducted two cursory mental examinations of the boy, each an hour long, for which he was paid $300 an hour.

In June, the doctor and the lawyer, went to Los Angeles County child welfare investigators with their complaint. Investigators refused to take an abuse report because the boy was not considered in immediate danger.

It was then that Mr. Feldman contacted the Santa Barbara police.

Dr. Katz also admitted that he had discussed his testimony not only with Mr. Feldman on Tuesday to "refresh our memories about things," but had also received from Mr. Zonen a transcript of statements he gave to detectives. Those transcripts had notes written by Mr. Zonen.

As Mr. Jackson sat motionless, his lawyer painted Dr. Katz as a self-promoter and a gun for hire. Dr. Katz has worked on more than 1,000 abuse cases, including current work against the Roman Catholic Church, and he has a syndicated television program.

He was director of training and professional education at the Children's Institute International in Los Angeles, the agency that gave diagnoses for 360 children that they had been sexually abused at the McMartin preschool in Manhattan Beach in 1983. In what became the longest, most expensive trial in Los Angeles County history, no one was convicted.

"Have you ever had false claims of molestation in children over the age of 6?" Mr. Mesereau asked.

The doctor waffled and said his book "The Co-dependency Conspiracy" was available on Amazon.com.

Earlier Wednesday, there was laughter. Cynthia Bell, a flight attendant on a flight that Mr. Jackson took with the boy from Miami to Santa Barbara, said she did not see Mr. Jackson ply the 13-year-old with wine, as the prosecution contends.

"Were they cuddling?" Gordon Auchincloss, a senior deputy district attorney, asked.

"I wouldn't say cuddling," Ms. Bell said. "He had his arm around him."

"How do you define cuddling?" the prosecutor asked.

She giggled. "I guess I'd have to show you."

The prosecutor said: "Permission to approach the witness, Your Honor."
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #119 posted 03/31/05 9:20am

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http://news.yahoo.com/new...el_jackson

Psychologist Testifies False Claims Rare

2 hours, 18 minutes ago


By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The psychologist who was the first to tell authorities about claims that Michael Jackson molested a 13-year-old boy testified Wednesday that it would be "extremely rare" for a child that age to make a false allegation.

Stan Katz, one of the prosecution's key witnesses, was prohibited by Judge Rodney Melville from testifying directly about the credibility of Jackson's accuser or whether he believes the molestation occurred.

However, Katz said that children over 5 rarely fabricate claims of molestation.

He said that accusers who appear to be truthful sometimes change their stories and embellish or exaggerate, while "children who make false allegations are usually consistent, almost scripted."

Jackson's defense has noted inconsistencies in testimony by the accuser and his brother.

Under cross-examination, Katz acknowledged he has done no research on civil suits involving teenagers in abuse cases, but later testified, "I don't recall any adolescent or preadolescent making claims for profit."

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting the boy in 2003 and plying him with alcohol.

Earlier Wednesday, a flight attendant testified that the boy once showed off an expensive watch the singer gave him and boasted that Jackson would buy him anything.

Cynthia Bell said the conversation took place in 2003 during a Miami-to-California flight with Jackson and members of the boy's family.

"He was saying things like, `Look at what Michael got me,' and, `These are very expensive watches,'" Bell said. "He did say, `Michael bought this watch for me and he'll buy me anything.'"

Prosecutors contend the watch was a bribe to keep the boy from revealing that Jackson gave him alcohol. The defense contends the boy and his family were out to bilk Jackson. They have portrayed the molestation charges as a shakedown attempt.

Bell also testified that she served Jackson wine in a Diet Coke can but did not see the boy drink from it, as the prosecution says happened.

On Tuesday, Bell said it was her idea to serve Jackson wine in soda cans and it became a routine on all of the pop star's flights, because "Michael Jackson is a very private drinker." She said Jackson was a nervous flier who could not stand turbulence.

She testified that the boy was rude and unruly throughout the flight, at one point starting a food fight by throwing mashed potatoes at a sleeping doctor who was traveling with Jackson.

The flight attendant also said the boy had a wide range of unreasonable demands. "His chicken was warm. `I want a side of coleslaw. I don't want it on the same plate.' ... He was very demanding throughout the entire flight," she said.

At one point, prosecutor Gordon Auchincloss asked Bell if she saw Jackson cuddling the boy. She said that she did not think so but that Jackson had an arm around the boy while listening to music.

Auchincloss asked Bell, "What do you define as cuddling?"
She hesitated, smiled and said, "I'd have to show you."

The courtroom erupted in laughter, and Auchincloss quipped, "Your honor, may I approach the witness?"

Also testifying was attorney William Dickerman, who was contacted by the accuser's family in February 2003 and wrote letters to Jackson's then-lawyer, Mark Geragos, claiming the family was being subjected to surveillance and harassment by Jackson associates.

He acknowledged on cross-examination that he never mentioned allegations of molestation, false imprisonment or giving wine to children in his letters.

Dickerman said he eventually referred the case to another attorney, Larry Feldman, with whom he has a fee-sharing arrangement that would give him part of any reward obtained in a civil suit.

Mesereau repeatedly implied that the family went to Dickerman because they were after money, but the witness denied that.

"I never made a demand for money for the (family) for any purpose under the sun," Dickerman said.

Jackson arrived at court amid screams from a few fans on the street. He waved and blew a kiss to them and patted one of his aides on the head. He showed no signs of the stiffness that he blamed on a fall in the shower earlier this month.

Testimony is expected to resume Friday. The trial will recess Thursday in observance of the Cesar Chavez state holiday.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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