i think its time for their close up!

The lighting on those pics are too harsh. They need to be soft focus

DavidEye said:

I did NOT say any of this.

What I did say is that Madonna needs to either stop hanging out with Britney, Missy, etc. or risk tarnishing her legacy permanently. She is dangerously close to being labeled as nothing more than the 'original Britney', and she is so much more than that. I would rather her retire than continue down the path she's going. But that is my opinion, DavidEye - you've got yours, too. It seems that when they differ you get your pantyhose all in a knot. If you don't like it, just fuck off and move on.

VoicesCarry said:

Actually,you did say those things and I quoted you correctly.You said she should retire because you don't want her to become a "gay in-joke like Cher" (whatever that means,lol).You're too concerned about her legacy.That's your opinion and you're entitled.But MY opinion is that you care way too much about what the public thinks about her.If an artist makes music that I like,I could care less what everyone else thinks.As for getting my "pantyhose in a knot"....lol....No,honestly,I'm not pissed off or anything,and this is not an argument,just a difference of opinion.I do respect different opinions.Just don't expect me to remain silent and not voice MY opinion in return,especially when it's about Madonna


Oddly enough,we always seem to agree on other artists.But when we discuss Maddy,all hell breaks loose.No big deal though.

Define "fan". Is this someone who is some sort of unquestioning robot and who likes every single move an artist makes? That's not a fan, it's an idiot. Maybe it's the fact that I have no problem being honest about Madonna that bothers you and DavidEye (DavidEye much more so, it seems). Oh well, nothing I can do about that.

DavidEye said:

Gee, I wonder why that is, DavidEye. Notice a trend with you, Madonna, and anyone who disagrees with you? Yeah, I thought so.

Voicing your opinion about Madonna is fine, bashing me and questioning my fandom when I "step out of line" is not. You do that with others, too. So be it, but I know you're not in grade 3 anymore.

P.S. When you quote me from 2003 threads, at least have the decency to link to said threads so I can confirm what I said and explain it in context. I remember saying she should retire, but I had other reasons and I don't remember the "gay in-joke" comment.

VoicesCarry said:

I don't like every move that Madonna makes,and I always criticize her when I think it is warranted.I'm not one of those asskissing fans who likes everything she does.On more than one occasion,I've pointed out that I rarely listen to her first three albums.I've also made lists of her worst songs,I've criticized some of her movies,and I've complained repeatedly about her being "stingy" when it comes to releasing bonus tracks,and outtakes.I have no problem with other fans who are also honest and objective.

But come on,VC....all you ever do is bitch and complain! You complain about her studying Kabbalah.You complain about 'American Life'(BULLSHIT! I love that record, with the exception of "I'm So Stupid" and the title track. I've defended it many times on here.).You even complain about things that she can't control (such as her looks,as if this should matter).You complain about the people she chooses to collaborate with (Missy and Britney are fuckin' stupid decisions, David - even jayaredee admits this).You constantly post unflattering photos of her,basically implying that she is an ugly old hag (Nope, she's 46 and looks it. How many times do I have to say this?).You try to downplay her accomplishments,suggesting that 'Evita' wasn't a success (No, I said that they did not make a profit considering the $70M budget. There's no arguing with math.).Last year,you even bitched about all the remixes that we were getting from the 'American Life' CD! (Um, no, I bitched about the MISSY ELLIOTT AMERICAN DREAM REMIX (1 mix!) which was a hot mess) Anyday now,I expect you to start bitching about the fact that she settled down and became a mother(lol).I rarely,if ever,see you actually praising something she has done.Like I said,there's nothing wrong with being honest and objective.But damn,if you are a fan,then surely it won't hurt to actually say something nice for a change? You remind me of Bart,a guy who used to post her regularly.He dissed Prince on a regular basis,and never had anything positive to say.

Even though Janet has made some questionable career moves (like all artists do),you always give her a "free pass" (BULLSHIT! I've argued with Sassy many times about the quality (lack thereof) of Damita Jo. See his comments above).Seriously,if Madonna bothers you so much,sell your Madonna stuff on Ebay (you'll make a fortune) and move on already.It's silly to continue being a "fan" of someone,while you constantly disapprove of everything they do these days.

VoicesCarry said:

Oh no,I'm not bashing you.Like I said,this is not an argument.Just a friendly disagreement (lol).I wish I could link you to those 2003 threads,but apparently,the search engine is not working.But I NEVER forget a heated argument/discussion that I participated in...lol...you and I actually went on and on for awhile.Trust me,you really made the "gay-in joke" comment


It's no big deal really.I enjoyed that debate and as you know,I liked debating with Gman too.I don't take this shit seriously.

maybe we should just stick to discussing Donna Summer,it's so much easier,isn't it?

DavidEye said:

For you, it would be, yes. I don't challenge things that you say about Donna.

VoicesCarry said:

Oh of course not.All your venom is reserved for only Madonna

VoicesCarry said:

ok, so look...i'm a mildly attractive fellow - not gorgeous or hot or anything like that, but i wouldn't say i'm unattractive. many god awful photos have been taken of me 1) when i didn't know a picture was being taken, 2) in bad lighting when i did know a picture was being taken 3) from an awful angle when i did know a picture was being tsken, etc, etc. so, like i said before, if i had people following me constantly, they are bound to get some really bad photos. madonna is no different.

lilgish said:

damn, these photos are hot! britney, christina, beyonce...eat your hearts out!

DavidEye said:

Gee, I wonder why that is, DavidEye. Notice a trend with you, Madonna, and anyone who disagrees with you? Yeah, I thought so.

VoicesCarry said:

No,it's not a "trend" at all.In fact,I get along well with other people on this site who regularly criticize Madonna.I've said in the past that I find Gman to be "amusing and fun to have around".He's very harsh,but he's also a great debater and he gives credit where it is due.Ask Sassy about the long discussion we had in 2003 before 'American Life' came out.He said that he doesn't think Madonna is an artist at all.But I understand why he feels that way,and he also makes many positive comments too.He's able to focus on the good and the bad.Don't make it seem as if I'm enemies with anyone here who doesn't like Madonna.That is bullshit and you know it.Hell,I'm even civil with you,in spite of everything

SassyBritches said:

ehuffnsd said:

Looks like John Galliano underware to me!


I dubs the two in the middle!
[Edited 3/25/05 14:13pm]

minneapolisgenius said:

RipHer2Shreds said:

Where did you guys get this from? very funny.