jayaredee said:

I think VC has a love/hate relationship with Madonna,and he struggles with it everytime he comes here (LOL).He's genuinely a fan,but can't resist the opportunity to diss her.I suggest he give ME all of his Madonna stuff,and move on to somebody like Jessica Simpson.She's closer to his age anyway

As for Janet becoming a "plastic surgery addict"....EVERYONE in her family already is!

jayaredee said:

i'll risk sticking up for vc here...he and i have argued over janet - with me on her side. now, whether or not that just an excuse for vc to argue with me is another story, lol.

SassyBritches said:

He enjoys arguing i find
Everytime Janet shows up at an award show he'll be the first to make a topic about it and talk about her great looks, so i don't know his position on her either according to your statement.

He confuses me half the time, i don't know whether he likes Madonna or likes to insult her....
It must be the combination of him being a fan and hanging out on the Janet boards where Madonna is looked upon very poorly...

jayaredee said:

I don't doubt that he's a fan,but I think he's more a fan of the "old Madonna".I rarely hear him praise any of her recent stuff,and I know he has major problems with the whole Kabbalah thing.That's why I suggest that he send ME all of her stuff,and move on to someone else

DavidEye said:

Yes
he doesn't deserve all those rare Madonna cds and things. Give it to a more appreciating fan

from reading his past comments,this is what VC really thinks of Madonna...


She's an old-looking dinosaur who should retire now in order to preserve her legacy.I don't want her to become a "gay in-joke" like Cher


I'm sure he will remember making these comments

DavidEye said:

Where did you dig that up?
That's unreal, Voices should be ashamed

jayaredee said:

last year,he made those comments and we got into a "slightly heated" discussion Apparently,VC is more interested in how Madonna is perceived by the public.He wants her to look young,stop studying Kabbalah,and just stick to simple pop/dance music...you know,do what the masses expect.Personally,I prefer my favorite artists to be true to themselves.If they need to grow and evolve,so be it.

VoicesCarry said:

Let's see, yes, she is just about exactly the same age as Prince & MJ...

Anyway, she's in great physical shape for a woman her age. All muscle.

Christ, this is hilarious! First time I've seen a Madonna thread turn into a VoicesCarry thread. All I said was that she's 46 and looks it - people, there's nothing wrong with that! I admire her for not going the Botox/surgery route.

DavidEye and jayardee - you two read way too much into people's comments, and you're way too defensive. Seriously, why does anything even remotely negative about Madonna get stuck in your craw, DavidEye? At least jayardee can manage to laugh at her every now and then.

And jayardee, the only thread I started about Janet's appearance at an awards show was the AMA thread - maybe you're thinking of again84, who has started dozens of Janet picture threads in the past few months. It certainly isn't me.

DavidEye said:

I did NOT say any of this.

What I did say is that Madonna needs to either stop hanging out with Britney, Missy, etc. or risk tarnishing her legacy permanently. She is dangerously close to being labeled as nothing more than the 'original Britney', and she is so much more than that. I would rather her retire than continue down the path she's going. But that is my opinion, DavidEye - you've got yours, too. It seems that when they differ you get your pantyhose all in a knot. If you don't like it, just fuck off and move on.
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The lighting on those pics are too harsh. They need to be soft focus

VoicesCarry said:

You should be honored we're so interested in you Voices.

But to get back on topic, you're not telling the whole truth. Someone said Madonna is good looking and then you decide to post a billion bad photos of her to suggest she's not attractive. Can't you come out and just say it?
No one really understands where you stand with Madonna, you're a fan and then you're not..... odd

jayaredee said:

Read again - Sassy said she looked "fabulous "in candids. No, she looks like a regular 46-year-old woman - which was my point. I posted three real candids, not "made-up-for-the-media" candids.

And define "fan". Is this someone who is some sort of unquestioning robot and who likes every single move an artist makes? That's not a fan, it's an idiot. Maybe it's the fact that I have no problem being honest about Madonna that bothers you and DavidEye (DavidEye much more so, it seems). Oh well, nothing I can do about that.
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VoicesCarry said:

Yeah but with Janet.....
you know the rest

jayaredee said:

Excuse me, but you tell me one instance where I ever bashed someone for disliking Janet or anything Janet-related? DavidEye can't handle something like that, I have no problem with it. If you dislike her, so fucking what? It's not an issue with me.

Recall that huge "JANET IS IN A RUT" thread that went on forever? Man, if there had been a "MADONNA IS IN A RUT" thread posted, do you know how quickly that would have devolved into flaming between you, DavidEye and some orgers who disagreed with you?

VoicesCarry said:

Hitting the ball off the feild are we VoicesCarry?

You were talking about "fans" and what it is to be a fan. You said me and David are idiots because we like every move she makes, which is not true by the way.

But with Janet you're exactly the same in fact you have a site you made for her. Me and David don't own Madonna sites. Voices it's time for tea

jayaredee said:

Nope, I never said you were idiots. I said someone who ROBOTICALLY ACCEPTS everything Madonna does and praises it is a complete idiot. Now, I've had conversations with you and you're not like that. That is, however, what you seem to expect from every fan, judging by your posts on this thread.

And who was the second person on that thread saying most of Damita Jo is crap, huh? What do you think Sassy and I were arguing over? He loves that album. Don't be silly - if I had a Madonna website you'd be kissing my ass. I'm honest about what I like and don't like from every artist.
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VoicesCarry said:

Why don't you have a Madonna site? Is it because Janet is too good for Madonna?
Oh so you're turning this into a Madonna vs. Janet thread.
VoicesCarry, shame on you. I now realize your master plan

jayaredee said:

You started it.

My site is a discography and remixography site - Madonna has plenty of those. What's the point of starting one when there's already www.buysellmadonna.com?

VoicesCarry said:

ok, so look...i'm a mildly attractive fellow - not gorgeous or hot or anything like that, but i wouldn't say i'm unattractive. many god awful photos have been taken of me 1) when i didn't know a picture was being taken, 2) in bad lighting when i did know a picture was being taken 3) from an awful angle when i did know a picture was being tsken, etc, etc. so, like i said before, if i had people following me constantly, they are bound to get some really bad photos. madonna is no different.

SassyBritches said:

Yeah, I'd say you have a point. But posting premiere photos really doesn't present the whole picture, does it? I'm trying to say, here subtract the makeup artist and professional stylist, and this is what the 46-year-old mother of two looks like. She doesn't look bad for her age.
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time for a cold shower everyone and come back and gather ourselves in a place of sernity...

i think its time for their close up!

Sarah Ferguson?




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lilgish said:

"Secret" was the jam....
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These aren't as bad as the first photo, plus i did some retouching.


Don't like it, not awful


She looks hot in this.


These two are not flattering to her face.

They're far from bad, they just don't look like Madonna. It looks like she has brown contacts in or something; they all remind me of Evita-era Madonna for that reason.

lilgish said:

She has nice feet tho'...

lilgish said:

damn, these photos are hot! britney, christina, beyonce...eat your hearts out!