that's how i feel about another album that sounds like ray of light, music, and american life. perhaps madonna has finally lost her edge...or her ability to know what the "newest-latest" is?

I'ma hafta find my girl and hurt her for this crap.

if she wants to make a rock/pop record, she should hook up with brian eno or daniel lanois along with some of her former pop writers. i mean, fuck, she wants to be british so badly. then she could keep some of this electronic shit but update it some and mesh it with other styles.
[Edited 3/15/05 14:17pm]

larryluvlife said:

no that was pulling hte video. she had to recored most of the album before it was released. also there were some issues about WB and the photoshot for the album

SassyBritches said:

I wouldn't mind if she threw Flood some work either. I miss him.

GrayKing said:

Regardless, it was still a case of "too little, too late."

jayaredee said:

frankly, "British" hasn't ever really been Madonna's type, until Guy and the one before him (Andy Bird, i think). she usually goes for tall dark and handsome.... latin types.

Impressed said:

what do you mean? it was an extremely lucrative deal for Madonna and was quite beneficial to the Gap. the song was incidental, and not promoted as a single or a new project. it only existed so that they'd have something to do in the commercial. "too little, too late" doesn't really apply, because it wasn't really there in the first place, nor was it intended to be.

VoicesCarry said:

damn,hes like her larry graham isnt?

Christopher said:

its witching hour for the divas..poor janet and madge.....

oh well..they did it to themselves they did.....

at least we still have liza...

VoicesCarry said:

1. Her name is Madonna. And I'm not calling her Madge. It's stupid & the British Press were stupid to give her that nickname.

2. You're right. It is a stupid business decision on her part. Madonna should just retire & call it a music career already.

3. And for arguement sake, if (and only if) Madonna was really taken another comeback attempt seriously, she needs to fired Mirwais and replace him with another group of electronic dance producers (Top picks: BT, Daft Punk)

BTW, I voting for Madonna to retire!

TonyVanDam said:

its too soon to call her "over"; we'll have to wait to see what she does with this record. for madonna, its usually been style over substance. the problem is she was one of the few who could mix the two. these days she's trying to supply more substance than style so she can validate herself as an artist. that's her mistake. i said this back before american life came out...madonna is not an artist, she's a business woman. i think she may be getting her roles confused and forgetting where she fits in with the music industry. if she makes a fun record with mirwais, stuart price, and a few other producers, this will be a big hit record. if she continues to try and prove that she's an artist, this record will flop harder than american life and maybe then we'll be able to say "madonna's over."

You know....


there have been so many rumors about who Madonna is working with that I don't really take this story seriously.Already,we've heard that she is working with Bloodsky,Patrick Leonard,William Orbit on one song,Martin Gore of Depeche Mode,Nelle Hooper,Stuart Price,Patrick Leonard (on songwriting)....even Emilio Estefan! There is no way she would utilize all of these producers.And even if she is recording demos with Mirwais,how do we know that the song(s) will make the final tracklist?

It's obvious that Maddy is just recording a bunch of tracks,seeing what works and what doesn't.I seriously doubt that Mirwais will play a big role this time around.She's probably just re-working a few songs that they recorded years ago,the same way she is re-working the 2000 song "Liquid Love" with William Orbit.
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GangstaFam said:

I've got no problems with Missy either.She's not the worst thing in hip-hop right now.I can tolerate Missy.As long as Maddy stays far away from losers like 50 Cent or R.Kelly,it's fine

Dance rock? Madonna recently played three new songs for Warner Bros.These songs were produced with Stuart Price,and an insider describes them as "danceable rock...sorta like Chumbawamba".He was impressed.Early signs indicate that she is going for a heavier,faster,more aggressive rock/dance sound...not unlike the stuff we heard on 'Remixed and Revisted'.

As for another R&B album from her....hell no! When Madonna recorded the 'Bedtime Stories' album in 1994,R&B was still exciting.But much of today's R&B is uninspired,sample-heavy crap.I cringe at the thought of her working with people like R.Kelly and Rodney Jerkins.

DavidEye said:

Well, I'd like it. She wouldn't have to work with those losers. I would actually like to see more of a full blown collaboration with Missy instead of just a remake and a remix. Some of the tracks on Gwen's album were pretty hot and have a r+b feel to them. Let her work with the Neptunes and Outkast. Get Me'shell or Tricky on there. Anything. As much as I love the last 3 albums, I'd like to see her get away from the electronica, just for a change.

GangstaFam said:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

An R&B album from Madonna would be cool only if it were produced by folks like Jamiroquai and Remy Shand....guys who don't work with every other R&B act.I would love for Maddy to make an "old school"-styled R&B album....with a strong 70s disco-inspired sound (like Jamiroquai's recent albums).That would be interesting.

But I agree with you about Missy.I wouldn't mind a full-blown collaboration.I liked Missy's remix of "American Life".Get the two of them in the studio and let's see what happens.The results could be explosive! Actually,there is a rumor that Maddy appears on a song from Missy's upcoming CD,so we'll see...

DavidEye said:

Well, I wouldn't want her to have a run-of-the-mill album either. So we're not exactly disagreeing. I just want her to try something different. Jamiroquai would be cool.

GangstaFam said:

Jamiroquai would be GREAT.Have you heard their last album 'A Funk Odyssey'? It's basically a modern-day disco album with electronica elements added to the mix.That sound would be perfect for Madonna,and her fans would eat it up.The one thing I like about Madonna is that,for the most part,she prefers to work with producers who don't work with many other artists ('Bedtime Stories' is the exception).She likes to have these guys to herself...lol...for this new project,Stuart Price (from her band) seems to be the main producer.

It would also be cool for her to work with JuniorSenior.Their 2003 hit "Move Your Feet" is the type of fun dance song that Madonna could use right now.

I guess this would be a good time to re-cap some of the recent rumors concerning the tracklist.So far,these are the rumored tracks...

"Goddess"
"I Love New York"
'Stare"
"Imagine"
"In An Instant"
"Liquid Love"


I removed the song "The Devil Wouldn't Recognize You" from the list because I doubt that it will appear on the album.That song was written for a musical that Maddy was planning last year.It has been described as "very old school sounding...like it's from the 20s",which obviously wouldn't fit on a modern-day rock/dance album (lol).So for now,let's retire that song from this list.

Supposedly,"Goddess" is the Latin-flavored track that we've been hearing about.

"I Love New York" is one of the three songs that Maddy played for Warner execs last week (which means that it will probably be one of the first tracks to start circulating,lol).It's a rock song and Madonna plays guitar on it.

"Liquid Love" is an outtake from the 'Music' sessions in 2000.It was co-produced with William Orbit.It is being re-worked for possible inclusion on the new CD.

The lyrics to "In An Instant" were posted on a fansite several weeks ago,but who knows if it's the real deal?

Other song titles that have been mentioned---"If You Were Here" and "Haunted"---are not Madonna songs.They appear on a CD called 'Haunted' by some artist named Poe.So,needless to say,I removed these songs from the list of rumored tracks.

I'll keep you guys updated
[Edited 3/17/05 0:25am]

right on, Dave

DavidEye said:

DavidEye, no offense, but most fans think that remix is one of the worst Madonna mixes of all time. Somehow, it makes American Life even more horrible than it already was. You really aren't with it if you think she should still be working with Missy NO MORE OF THIS MISSY SHIT, PLEASE!

VoicesCarry said:

One thing you'll learn about me is that I never "go with the flow" when it comes to what other fans think.Alot of Madonna fans think 'Desperately Seeking Susan' is a great movie,but I think it's shit,so there you go

I think Missy's remix of "American Life" is cool.This remix,and the one that comes right after it on the maxi-single,is superb.You don't like Missy.I get it.But I think she's cool.But why are we arguing about Missy anyway? As far as I know,she won't be appearing on the new Madonna album.But if she did,I'm not gonna boycott the album,lol.

DavidEye said:

You're such a rebel fan.

Ok, ok, Madonna can indulge her Missy stupidity on Missy's album. YAY! Just don't bring that awful annoyance onto this record - Mirwais and Missy could cause the album to collapse in its own crappitude.

Will "I Love New York" be the first single from the new album?

DavidEye said:

Will DavidEye stop posting stupid fake-ass shit?

Man, you can see the curve of the poster doesn't even match the lettering or the liberty. What a sloppy job. You'd think the Maddy fans who make this crap would find a hobby or something.

VoicesCarry said: