Cloudbuster said:

This is in the UK, right?

Nuf said. Clif Richard has number ones in the UK...

Can't you just accept I do not like them? Just imagine you have a more superior taste in music than I do. Will make you feel better.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I don't want her to go back either, but I still think it's her best work.

I really can't see why Tori fans go so crazy for it. I thought it was pretty lame.

I really can't see why Tori fans go so crazy for it. I thought it was pretty lame.

So did I until about two years ago.

Cloudbuster said:

Really? What changed your mind? What didn't you like about it in the first place?

GangstaFam said:

I really can't see why Tori fans go so crazy for it. I thought it was pretty lame.

GangstaFam said:

I saw a Kate Bush video on VH1-Classic and I saw nooooo similarity to Tori whatsoever. She was dancing weird, singing weird, had weird dancers and wasn't playing any instruments.

GangstaFam said:

I really can't see why Tori fans go so crazy for it. I thought it was pretty lame.

EvilWhiteMale said:

You're not a fan.

EvilWhiteMale said:

It's better than The Beekeeper.

VinaBlue said:

listen to "Under the Ivy" by Kate. I can promise you you'll like that song.

I'm a huge fan, but I can't get into that sleepy shit.

AnckSuNamun said:

i don't get the kate/tori comparison thing either, to be honest. tori's lyrical style is very different - far more narrative than any of kate's work whereas kate's work is very obscure. musically they are also on very different ends of the spectrum (usually). their voices have undeniable similarities but not so much that i'd ever think they sound alike. yeah, i just don't hear or see the comparisons.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I really don't see it as sleepy. But I could see how you might if you're not a fan of her solo piano performances. It's Tori at her most raw and exposed. I think it has proportionally the least amount of beats or band-like songs of any of her albums. But to me, there are so many songs on there that hit me square between the eyes. Of all of her albums, you can feel the anger, pain and loss the most. Songs like Horses, Father Lucifer, Marianne, Hey Jupiter, Not the Red Baron and Putting the Damage On would suffer from having a band arrangement. They're some of her most effective songs. But hey, what do I know?

So I should ask, do the songs from Little Earthquakes and Under the Pink with just her and piano bore you too?

EvilWhiteMale said:

It's better than The Beekeeper.

Nah, they're cool. I think I just don't like Pele cuz pretty much ever song is just her and the piano. So I get bored of the same shit after a while. The other albums were more mixed up, so the piano tracks didn't bother me. It's not that I think the songs are bad, cuz they're not, but I just prefer a beat behind her stuff.

SassyBritches said:

I totally get the comparison. The first song I heard of Tori's was Silent All These Years and my initial thought was that there was a definate Kate influence in it. There are differences, tho'. As you say, the most obvious one is in the writing. Tori's work is often very bleak and emotionally naked and can leave one feeling rather cold. Kate's music is a lot warmer and more hopeful. Also, Tori is far easier on the ear and more mainstream which is probably why the US favoured her over Kate whose music is often just too "out there" for people to grasp. One of the main reasons why I love her.

Maybe if you made up your own mix with some b-sides and remixes it might make a difference.

Say add:

Hey Jupiter (Dakota Version)
Putting the Damage On (Twilight Mix)
Horses (Gavin's Houseback)
Mr. Zebra (Librarian version)
Father Lucifer (Sylkscreen remix)

etc.

GangstaFam said:

Well, the Jupiter Dakota Mix is one of my favorite songs. The others I still need to find.

I like this thread...

Thanks G!

HamsterHuey said:

Me too.

Welcome H!

You pleasure yourself?

HamsterHuey said:

Immediately you show off your open-mouthed emoticon... nasty.

HamsterHuey said:

I want a blue t-shirt with that emoticon on it.

Cloudbuster said:

Yeah...I don't get when people can't see the obvious influence in her early work. Tori's early work that was more whimsical,dramatic, or theatrical was very Kate Bush. People think that they were only vocally similar, but a lot of Tori songs had an arrangement very similar to Kate's songs. Vocals also play a large role...that's one of the first things(if not the first)people notice.The only thing most people seem to agree with is that they were always lyrically different. Tori's not writing songs about being charmed by a man on the dance floor only to find out later that that man would become Hitler I'm sorry I just had to make a "Heads Were Dancing" reference. Tori's lyrics and music(esp. around the Boys for Pele era an up)for me are more relateable, which is why I like her. I'm more emotionally fueled by Tori more so than Kate. Every single song on Little Earthquakes with the exception of "Me and a Gun" and "Precious Things" sounds so much like Kate's music. "China"?!.....that song screeeeams Kate Bush, even down to the "ah ah ah ahh ah ahh" "Yes,Anastasia", "Mr. Zebra" and other Tori songs in that style are arranged like a Kate Bush song.

Cloudbuster said:

Yeah...I don't get when people can't see the obvious influence in her early work. Tori's early work that was more whimsical,dramatic, or theatrical was very Kate Bush. People think that they were only vocally similar, but a lot of Tori songs had an arrangement very similar to Kate's songs. Vocals also play a large role...that's one of the first things(if not the first)people notice.The only thing most people seem to agree with is that they were always lyrically different. Tori's not writing songs about being charmed by a man on the dance floor only to find out later that that man would become Hitler I'm sorry I just had to make a "Heads Were Dancing" reference. Tori's lyrics and music(esp. around the Boys for Pele era an up)for me are more relateable, which is why I like her. I'm more emotionally fueled by Tori more so than Kate. Every single song on Little Earthquakes with the exception of "Me and a Gun" and "Precious Things" sounds so much like Kate's music. "China"?!.....that song screeeeams Kate Bush, even down to the "ah ah ah ahh ah ahh" "Yes,Anastasia", "Mr. Zebra" and other Tori songs in that style are arranged like a Kate Bush song.

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