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Reply #120 posted 03/14/05 1:25pm

Martinelli

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David Bowie- 'Heroes'

'Lodger' is so much better...discuss!
...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #121 posted 03/14/05 1:29pm

GangstaFam

Martinelli said:

David Bowie- 'Heroes'

'Lodger' is so much better...discuss!

Those albums go back and forth for me. They're both near the top of the heap, but I change my mind constantly.

"Lodger" has the songs. "Heroes" has the magic.
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Reply #122 posted 03/14/05 1:35pm

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Xavier23 said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind.

and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain)


I just used the relatively random examples you gave on your list. I don't rate those albums at all but they were both massively successful.

Forget grunge, i can't avoid their imprint whenever I turn to a music channel, and unfortunately its without exception not as good, not even close. Its not Nirvanas fault, those following have just not had the same talent for awesome hooks, or genius lyrics.
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Reply #123 posted 03/14/05 1:37pm

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GangstaFam said:

"Lodger" has the songs. "Heroes" has the magic.


'I Think I'm Having Issues...Give Me A Moment....'




also see: 'Scary overrated Monsters' cool
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Reply #124 posted 03/14/05 2:20pm

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OK Computer
Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Thriller
The Joshua Tree and everything by U2 post-"Pop"
Anything by Coldplay
Everything by Nick Drake
There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently
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Reply #125 posted 03/14/05 2:20pm

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Double post. Please snip.
[Edited 3/14/05 14:22pm]
There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently
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Reply #126 posted 03/14/05 2:36pm

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garnis said:

jacktheimprovident said:

Sgt. Pepper-Don't get me wrong, a great album, but the best rock album ever? No way, not even the best Beatles album. So much of it rehashes and in many ways palliates musical ideas they'd played out on Revolver, which, along with Abbey Road and the high points of the White Album, blows this out of the water.

Dirty Mind-Our intrepid hero's most overrated work. There were funkier and harder rocking songs on his first two albums, this just has slightly better blending of styles and cheaper production values, plus the best song is the one he stole from Morris Day. Granted, it is the first album where he'd developed a more original sound, but not the masterpiece or even the great leap forward it's cut out to be.

Exile On Main Street-It's good, quite good, but it seems like one continuous song to me and though I've listened to it multiple times I can't even remember any of the individual tracks afterward.

Aquemini-Sorry but I enjoy Stankonia and Speakerboxxx/Love Below a whole lot better. This is an album that has become overrated among fans in backlash to how much higher rated their subsequent two albums were. Good, but not outkast's best by any means.

What's Going On-Not that it isn't a great album it's just that there are at least two socially conscious R&b semi-concept albums that are much better, one of which came before, and both of which are by artists who had much more actual creative involvement in the music (marvin didn't really write his material till the mid 70s from what I hear): Curtis by Curtis Mayfield, and Innervisions by Stevie Wonder.

Pet Sounds-as with all the others in my list, It's an album I enjoy and appreciate but I don't think quite deserves the status it's acrued. I rarely listen to anything other than the hits (wouldn't it be nice, god only knows, sloop john b) and there isn't a hell of a lot of stylistic or emotional range. At it's worst it's treacly and whiny and just because Paul McCartney loved it doesn't mean that it's remotely like the Beatles or that you'll like this if you liked Sgt. Pepper.

Bitches Brew-I'm not the sort to label this a rambling incoherent mess, but Miles has done much better fusion albums (In A Silent Way, Dark Magus, Live Evil).

We're only In It For the Money-This is not Zappa's masterpiece nor is it the anti-sgt. pepper, it's just one in a series of countercultural satire concept albums he made in the late sixties and this one isn't better or even necessarily as good as his others.

This guy is clearly out to lunch


Did you even read what I wrote? It's not that I don't like these albums, I just think they unfairly overshadow these artist' other albums, or other albums in a similar vein. What's Goin On Is not as good as Curtis or Innervisions IMO, nor is Sgt. Pepper as good as Revolver or the White Album, and personally I think Hot Rats is Zappa's true masterpiece. Pet Sounds is great, but Smile would have better had it been released in it's time and Today! would have been better if had had the same care devoted to it as Pet Sounds. As for Dirty Mind, I think Controversy is a better album and that the high points of P's first two albums are better than anything on Dirty Mind. Exile on Main Street Is good, but Stick Fingers is simultaneously much tighter and more varied.
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Reply #127 posted 03/14/05 3:34pm

GangstaFam

Martinelli said:

also see: 'Scary overrated Monsters' cool

I don't really think many of his albums are overrated. Especially not "Heroes" or "Scary Monsters". But some like "Lodger" are definitely underrated.
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Reply #128 posted 03/14/05 5:20pm

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VoicesCarry said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



Whats your alternative?


Who's this website about? lol


Thats...cheating! lol

I think his influence has been more general. You cant point at any Prince album and say music was changed after it. Nevermind absolutely changed the musical landscape.
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Reply #129 posted 03/14/05 5:38pm

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Like A Prayer (Yeah, I said it.)
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Reply #130 posted 03/14/05 9:15pm

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jayaredee said:

TonyVanDam said:



The video for the AL's title track (as least) was a RN-gimmick ripoff (women in uniforms!)

And TBDHWU, Madonna is finish (IMOH). Hell, even Kylie is doing a better job than Madonna now.


Between RN and AL, the albums are totally different concepts. It's insane to compare them.




EDIT: Misread!!!!
[Edited 3/15/05 4:23am]
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Reply #131 posted 03/15/05 3:24am

jayaredee

TonyVanDam said:

jayaredee said:



Between RN and AL, the albums are totally different concepts. It's insane to compare them.


Like hell. Madonna is like a female David Bowie in one more regard:

She needs an electronic trilogy (Ray Of Life/Music/American Life).

You're right for saying each album is a different concept. But they all connect!
cool


I said Rhythm Nation and American Life are different concepts
where the hell did you just get that crap you're shoving at me?
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Reply #132 posted 03/15/05 4:21am

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jayaredee said:

TonyVanDam said:



Like hell. Madonna is like a female David Bowie in one more regard:

She needs an electronic trilogy (Ray Of Life/Music/American Life).

You're right for saying each album is a different concept. But they all connect!
cool


I said Rhythm Nation and American Life are different concepts
where the hell did you just get that crap you're shoving at me?


Oops! I misunderstood you. Pardon me. I need a V8!
cool
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Reply #133 posted 03/15/05 5:28am

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VoicesCarry said:

Cloudbuster said:



I don't think Ray Of Light is overrated at all. One of the very best pop albums of the 90s.


Yes but you also like Invincible. 'Nuff said. wink lol


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Reply #134 posted 03/15/05 5:31am

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Moonbeam said:

nod If you're looking for an overrated Madonna album, it's not Ray of Light, it's Music.


Aye. The title track and Don't Tell Me are pretty good, tho'. smile
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Reply #135 posted 03/15/05 6:49pm

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psykosoul said:

Supernova said:

I was blown away the first time I listened to that album all the way thru, and I can't say that about Here, My Dear, and I can only remember one or two songs at the most that I liked from it.

I know it's a sacred cow amongst Marvin's fans, but it's not special to me like WGO. WGO is Marvin's inspired masterwork.

Says me.[/color]



Ooooh! It hurts

Nova, I will agree that all of Marvin's personal business surrounding Here My Dear does generate a lot of fanfare behind the LP. However, I do think that his pain and anguish comes through on the vocals and the music. The bulk of Marvin's 70s albums revolved around a central theme whether it was a particular subject matter or musical coda. As personal as the album was, I still think the messages in it can be applied to a whole lot of marraiges/divorces out there.

It's okay pat I still wanna have your babies razz

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Reply #136 posted 03/15/05 6:50pm

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Moonbeam said:

GangstaFam said:


I think it's rated how it should be. Bedtime Stories is unfocused and trendy. I love a lot of the individual songs, but it just doesn't add up to being one of her best albums although I still really enjoy it. I think the work she did in '94/'95 is one of her best batches of songs. That album gets a major boost when you add in some of the non-album stuff like "I'll Remember", "I Want You", "You'll See" and "Let Down Your Guard".


nod If you're looking for an overrated Madonna album, it's not Ray of Light, it's Music.

omg
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Reply #137 posted 03/15/05 7:09pm

GangstaFam

Supernova said:

omg

He is risen!
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Reply #138 posted 03/15/05 7:25pm

Supernova

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GangstaFam said:

Supernova said:

omg

He is risen!

I see! touched
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Reply #139 posted 03/24/05 4:16am

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Axchi696 said:

Just discussing albums by artists I like

Madonna - Music
- After the overwhelmingly positive reviews that she got with Ray of Light, Madonna could've put out any old crap (some might make that argument for American Pie) and scored a hit. With Music, I think Madonna rode the coattails of Ray of Light into a critically acclaimed album. Unlike ROL, I think Music is filled with fragments of songs, unfinished ideas, and sophomoric lyrics. I think had this album followed up Erotica or Evita (when it was uncool to like Madonna), she never would've received the 4 star reviews from AMG and Rolling Stone.


clapping clapping

Yup, all the publicity bitches were riding the wave of compliments that
Madonna got for Ray Of Light. I guess they all figured you couldn't put
a foot wrong in praising this album since everyone was high on Madonna
anyway. The album itself however sounds very much unfinished, boring
and extremely lame. [runaway lover / amazing] are two examples of songs
that should have remained unreleased or been b-sides. it felt like a
lot of ideas that might have been put to better use on a ROL remix album
instead of being fleshed out into a mediocre album.


U2 - All That You Can't Leave Behind
- Even though I consider it an excellent album, I think that the critics jumped all over it because it was a "return to form". The review section in this month's Blender is a prime example of this; albums like War and How to Dismantle, which are more consistent, get 4 star ratings, while ATYCLB is considered a classic on par with Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. I'd classify it alongside Zooropa and Pop (both of which I think are great and severly underrated, but not flawless albums).


I agree wholeheartedly. Much the same as with what you said about "Music",
I think the same thing happened with this album. It seemed "hip" to like
U2 again and to like any old tosh they released. Why this album was hailed
as a "return to brilliance" after the arguably 'bad' "zooropa" & "pop",
I can't tell.

IMO, "Please" and "If God Would Send His Angels" from "Pop" are as good as,
if not better than anything on "ATYCLB". The best song on it [uk edition]
was "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" which was from another project, written
a long time before the album. It has some nicely crafted songs but it sound
over-reached and contrived to me. As well as bland and u2-by-numbers in
other places. At the time I was quite unnerved by all the positive attention
for this cd.




Janet Jackson - The Velvet Rope
- Still not sure why her fanbase considers this her defining statement. It's overlong, overblown, and cheesy as hell. RN1814 and Control made Janet seem untouchable, and janet. made her seem more human, but TVR showed that deep down, Janet really didn't have as much to say as everone initially thought. Some of the statements on the album just seem really shallow (Spousal abuse is bad, it's ok to be gay, "We all have the need to feel special") and some of them just sound like they were ripped straight from a self-help book ("We need to learn to water our spiritual garden", "You Don't Have to hold on to the pain to hold on to the memory"). I still think that there are 11 or 12 great songs on the album, but I don't consider it Miss Jackson's masterpiece.


bow

About time someone put it like that. Yes, there are some amazing tunes
on this. Yes, it's a good album. But no, it is not a masterpiece and it
does contain a lot of gutwrenchingly bad moments. The self-help lyrics
and the "ooh look at me being naughty" routine seems kinda dull with
her. and she continues doing it to this day. urgh.




Prince - O+>
- Not a terrible album, but definitely overlong and overblown; I think the album could afford to be cut in half. The segues need to go, and so does the Tony M shit. From Prince's 90's work, I think Gold and Come are both better, tighter albums.


nod bow clapping bow clapping bow nod

I could not agree more. As a 9 or 10 song album it would be absolutely great
but the way it is, it is almost a pain to listen too. I enjoy a lot of the
songs on here but I hardly ever listen to them (perhaps once every 2 years)
because I have to skip through so much utter shit to get to the gems.

It baffles me how songs like "Peach" and "Howevermuch U Want" were left off
this and shit like "The Flow/Arrogance", the Tony M ramblings and the segues
made it onto the album. I really need to make me a cdr of the best songs from
this including Peach and finally get to listen to those cool tracks from this
project again, however few they were lol.





moanedit
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