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kurt was no technical genius but even my dad recognises he was a gifted songwriter. . [Edited 3/13/05 20:29pm] | |
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Dewrede said: Blood Sugar Sex Magik is great ! (be it a little too long)
it is. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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VoicesCarry said: Xavier23 said: and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? Watch it now. Some whiny wuss might act like they have a wasp up their ass and pick an idiotic internet fight with you because you dislike the album... This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Xavier23 said: and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? the 60's british explosion didn't last that long either but it was vastly influential, just like grunge. | |
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mrdespues said: Xavier23 said: Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain)
kurt was no technical genius but even my dad recognises he was a gifted songwriter. . [Edited 3/13/05 20:29pm] WTF???? "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is gifted songwriting????? "Americans consume the most fast food than any nation on Earth and the stupid motherfuckers wonder why they are so fat? " - Oprah Winfrey | |
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Supernova said: VoicesCarry said: And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? Watch it now. Some whiny wuss might act like they have a wasp up their ass and pick an idiotic internet fight with you because you dislike the album... I've already had that happen with this record. People can be SO defensive of it. | |
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mrdespues said: VoicesCarry said: And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? the 60's british explosion didn't last that long either but it was vastly influential, just like grunge. And please tell me where you see the huge influence of grunge today? Rock is basically DEAD altogether. | |
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VoicesCarry said: mrdespues said: the 60's british explosion didn't last that long either but it was vastly influential, just like grunge. And please tell me where you see the huge influence of grunge today? Rock is basically DEAD altogether. remember, grunge predated the 90s, but exploded around 1991...from then on it continued to grow...alternative music as a whole did for about 10 years....today you see the flotsam and jetsam that is left in its wake in total crap like linkin park which should not be confused with anything like nirvana or pearl jam or any of the other great bands of the 90s. seriously the whole mentality of the time was something broader than just "grunge"....the spirit continues today in bands like the red hot chili peppers, PJ Harvey, muse, radiohead and many others. it's basically just the punk ethos updated and it is a spirit that will probably never truly die. that of creating something meaningful against the musical status quo of the day. if you can't see past your opinion that nirvana and the like were very influential and continue to be then you're probably paying attention to mostly mainstream music. | |
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mrdespues said: VoicesCarry said: And please tell me where you see the huge influence of grunge today? Rock is basically DEAD altogether. remember, grunge predated the 90s, but exploded around 1991...from then on it continued to grow...alternative music as a whole did for about 10 years....today you see the flotsam and jetsam that is left in its wake in total crap like linkin park which should not be confused with anything like nirvana or pearl jam or any of the other great bands of the 90s. seriously the whole mentality of the time was something broader than just "grunge"....the spirit continues today in bands like the red hot chili peppers, PJ Harvey, muse, radiohead and many others. it's basically just the punk ethos updated and it is a spirit that will probably never truly die. that of creating something meaningful against the musical status quo of the day. if you can't see past your opinion that nirvana and the like were very influential and continue to be then you're probably paying attention to mostly mainstream music. I respectfully disagree, but I think you should write their press releases. | |
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mrdespues said: VoicesCarry said: And please tell me where you see the huge influence of grunge today? Rock is basically DEAD altogether. remember, grunge predated the 90s, but exploded around 1991...from then on it continued to grow...alternative music as a whole did for about 10 years....today you see the flotsam and jetsam that is left in its wake in total crap like linkin park which should not be confused with anything like nirvana or pearl jam or any of the other great bands of the 90s. seriously the whole mentality of the time was something broader than just "grunge"....the spirit continues today in bands like the red hot chili peppers, PJ Harvey, muse, radiohead and many others. it's basically just the punk ethos updated and it is a spirit that will probably never truly die. that of creating something meaningful against the musical status quo of the day. if you can't see past your opinion that nirvana and the like were very influential and continue to be then you're probably paying attention to mostly mainstream music.    "Americans consume the most fast food than any nation on Earth and the stupid motherfuckers wonder why they are so fat? " - Oprah Winfrey | |
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VoicesCarry said: mrdespues said: remember, grunge predated the 90s, but exploded around 1991...from then on it continued to grow...alternative music as a whole did for about 10 years....today you see the flotsam and jetsam that is left in its wake in total crap like linkin park which should not be confused with anything like nirvana or pearl jam or any of the other great bands of the 90s. seriously the whole mentality of the time was something broader than just "grunge"....the spirit continues today in bands like the red hot chili peppers, PJ Harvey, muse, radiohead and many others. it's basically just the punk ethos updated and it is a spirit that will probably never truly die. that of creating something meaningful against the musical status quo of the day. if you can't see past your opinion that nirvana and the like were very influential and continue to be then you're probably paying attention to mostly mainstream music. I respectfully disagree, but I think you should write their press releases.  at least you have a sense of humour. | |
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Xavier23 said: mrdespues said: kurt was no technical genius but even my dad recognises he was a gifted songwriter. . [Edited 3/13/05 20:29pm] WTF???? "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is gifted songwriting????? absolutely. i dare you to write a better song. lenny certainly hasn't and i'm a fan of his music. but kurt himself got sick of the song and often said he'd written many many better ones, which is true. most of in utero and most of nevermind contained better songs. for example, "all apologies" is a classic in the vein of lennon which even my dad appreciates (he never liked teen spirit either). . [Edited 3/13/05 21:38pm] | |
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Biscuit said: CONFESSIONS is very overrated, there's only like four good songs on it.
I thought 8701 was much better. Also I might flamed for this one but I never got into SPEAKERBOX/THE LOVE BELOW either. It was okay to me. I enjoyed STANKONIA much better. I like Andre's side of the double album (The Love Below). If it was a separate sole album, he would have outsold Big Boi badly!!! 
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Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans JAGGED LITTLE PILL: Those songs from a very angry white woman (from Canada) were catchy as hell! And it's a damn shame that Alanis could never come up with a better album than this. CONFESSIONS: I think Burned was one of the best songs ever for Usher. But IMHO, Yeah was so f***ing stupid!!! Anything that include Lil'Jon or Atlanta Crunk (which is direct spin-off of New Orleans Bounce) is stupid & it's killing hip-hop as we know it. RAY OF LIGHT: Electronic Music going mainstream. This album (along with Music) were the last of the hit albums for Madonna. Beautiful ear candy! But I hated the idea that Madonna needed to invent a word (electronica) to make it sound like it was something new (house, techno, trance, downtempo, or electro anyone?). NEVERMIND: I only like Teen Spirit (the catchy rock song that killed 80's pop metal). And yes, I do think it's one of the top 100 most important songs in R&R history. But #1 (and ranking higher than Prince's Purple Rain)? HELL NO! And the people who voted for this (through VH-1 & Rolling Stone Magazine) needed to be shot!!! [Edited 3/13/05 22:24pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans JAGGED LITTLE PILL: Those songs from a very angry white woman (from Canada) were catchy as hell! And it's a damn shame that Alanis could never come up with a better album than this. CONFESSIONS: I think Burned was one of the best songs ever for Usher. But IMHO, Yeah was so f***ing stupid!!! Anything that include Lil'Jon or Atlanta Crunk (which is direct spin-off of New Orleans Bounce) is stupid & it's killing hip-hop as we know it. RAY OF LIGHT: Electronic Music going mainstream. This album (along with [b]Music) were the last of the hit albums for Madonna. Beautiful ear candy! But I hated the idea that Madonna needed to invent a word (electronica) to make it sound like it was something new (house, techno, trance, downtempo, or electro anyone?).[/b] NEVERMIND: I only like Teen Spirit (the catchy rock song that killed 80's pop metal). And yes, I do think it's one of the top 100 most important songs in R&R history. But #1 (and ranking higher than Prince's Purple Rain)? HELL NO! And the people who voted for this (through VH-1 & Rolling Stone Magazine) needed to be shot!!! [Edited 3/13/05 22:24pm] must fight urge to jack thread... by the way AL is the only album since Music You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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VoicesCarry said: Xavier23 said: and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? Seattle Grunge Rock had the same kind of 5 long years as the California G-Funk. In fact, only 4 things killed Grunge: 1. Kurt Cobain taking his own life (or was it murder?). 2. Pearl Jam started to suck (I never was a fan of this band)! 3. Rap-metal/Nu Metal 4. Dirty South Hip-Hop | |
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ehuffnsd said: TonyVanDam said: JAGGED LITTLE PILL: Those songs from a very angry white woman (from Canada) were catchy as hell! And it's a damn shame that Alanis could never come up with a better album than this. CONFESSIONS: I think Burned was one of the best songs ever for Usher. But IMHO, Yeah was so f***ing stupid!!! Anything that include Lil'Jon or Atlanta Crunk (which is direct spin-off of New Orleans Bounce) is stupid & it's killing hip-hop as we know it. RAY OF LIGHT: Electronic Music going mainstream. This album (along with [b]Music) were the last of the hit albums for Madonna. Beautiful ear candy! But I hated the idea that Madonna needed to invent a word (electronica) to make it sound like it was something new (house, techno, trance, downtempo, or electro anyone?).[/b] NEVERMIND: I only like Teen Spirit (the catchy rock song that killed 80's pop metal). And yes, I do think it's one of the top 100 most important songs in R&R history. But #1 (and ranking higher than Prince's Purple Rain)? HELL NO! And the people who voted for this (through VH-1 & Rolling Stone Magazine) needed to be shot!!! [Edited 3/13/05 22:24pm] must fight urge to jack thread... by the way AL is the only album since Music America Life was Madonna ripping off Janet's RN gimmick. And BTW, it sucks!!! And it wasn't a HIT album. Think about it. [Edited 3/13/05 22:38pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: ehuffnsd said: must fight urge to jack thread... by the way AL is the only album since Music America Life was Madonna ripping off Janet's RN gimmick. And BTW, it sucks!!! And it wasn't a HIT album. Think about it. [Edited 3/13/05 22:38pm] didn't say it was... and no it didn't jack Janet's RN gimmick because it was more about spirtuality than changing the world. and it's not her last album so you can't say her hits ended with Music. THE END You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans Sorry have to disagree with the Nevermind album. That album is great and even though they rock hard it has a real pop sensability to those songs. That album was as much as a breath of fresh air in 1991 as Purple rain did in 1984. | |
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Stax said: Paul's Boutique
  BLASPHOMEY!!!!! Oh no that album is the SHIT..although Licence to ill was better. | |
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ehuffnsd said: TonyVanDam said: America Life was Madonna ripping off Janet's RN gimmick. And BTW, it sucks!!! And it wasn't a HIT album. Think about it. [Edited 3/13/05 22:38pm] didn't say it was... and no it didn't jack Janet's RN gimmick because it was more about spirtuality than changing the world. and it's not her last album so you can't say her hits ended with Music. THE END The video for the AL's title track (as least) was a RN-gimmick ripoff (women in uniforms!) And TBDHWU, Madonna is finish (IMOH). Hell, even Kylie is doing a better job than Madonna now. | |
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damosuzuki said: Liz Phair – Exile in Guyville
I don’t fully have faith in my opinion of this album, because so many critics and acquaintances whose opinion I trust consider it a classic. However, every time I listen to it I hear exactly two great songs (fuck and run, explain it to me) – the rest sounds like run of the mill, traditional indie-pop. Reasonably well done, mind you, but still the kind of paint-by-numbers lo-fi that Lou Barlow or almost any other medium-talent in the alt-rock community could have done. There are things I like about this record. I’m reasonably keen on her voice (I enjoy the halting, off-key style she has here a lot more than the more professional style she’s adopted on her recent recordings), and I like the low-tech recording: I just don’t think the songs are generally that strong. As I said, I don’t have complete faith in my own judgment in this case. People still regard this album as a milestone ten years after its release, so that is obviously a testament to its strength – I just wish I could hear what they’re hearing. It's all about the songwriting. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Madonna needed to invent a word (electronica) to make it sound like it was something new
Madonna invented that word?  | |
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GangstaFam said: TonyVanDam said: Madonna needed to invent a word (electronica) to make it sound like it was something new
Madonna invented that word? Yes. Check out this site sometimes: http://www.ishkur.com | |
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I know I'm gonna take a little heat for my comments (lol) but here goes...
'Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants' by Stevie Wonder (1979)---Alot of his fans swear that this is a masterpiece,and at least one Orger on this site has declared that it is even better than 'Sitkol'(!!).I just don't get it.This double-album is a mess.Sure,there are a few nice tracks ("Outside My Window"),but it's not anything close to a masterpiece. 'Around The World In A Day' by Prince(1985)---Yes,I understand what he was trying to do.Yes,I understand that he didn't want to make 'Purple Rain Part Two'.Yes,I understand that this album is a favorite among critics.But I just think it's really overrated,and this stuff is hardly Prince's best work.Honestly,if I never hear "Rapsberry Beret" again,that's fine with me. 'Bad' by Michael Jackson (1987)---Really,there are only about three really great tunes here---"Liberian Girl","Another Part Of Me" and "Man In The Mirror".The other songs are good,but not great.As a whole,this album is nowhere near as interesting as the two records that came before it. | |
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that's it Harle....say what's really on your mind | |
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I have to say that where Ray Of Light is overrated, Bedtime Story is underrated. I think that's probably my favorite Madonna record. | |
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VoicesCarry said: I have to say that where Ray Of Light is overrated, Bedtime Story is underrated. I think that's probably my favorite Madonna record.
I don't think Ray Of Light is overrated at all. One of the very best pop albums of the 90s. | |
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Xavier23 said: mynameisnotsusan said: Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind. and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) Surely you must be gay...?! | |
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