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Printablejacktheimprovident said: Sgt. Pepper-Don't get me wrong, a great album, but the best rock album ever? No way, not even the best Beatles album. So much of it rehashes and in many ways palliates musical ideas they'd played out on Revolver, which, along with Abbey Road and the high points of the White Album, blows this out of the water.
Dirty Mind-Our intrepid hero's most overrated work. There were funkier and harder rocking songs on his first two albums, this just has slightly better blending of styles and cheaper production values, plus the best song is the one he stole from Morris Day. Granted, it is the first album where he'd developed a more original sound, but not the masterpiece or even the great leap forward it's cut out to be. Exile On Main Street-It's good, quite good, but it seems like one continuous song to me and though I've listened to it multiple times I can't even remember any of the individual tracks afterward. Aquemini-Sorry but I enjoy Stankonia and Speakerboxxx/Love Below a whole lot better. This is an album that has become overrated among fans in backlash to how much higher rated their subsequent two albums were. Good, but not outkast's best by any means. What's Going On-Not that it isn't a great album it's just that there are at least two socially conscious R&b semi-concept albums that are much better, one of which came before, and both of which are by artists who had much more actual creative involvement in the music (marvin didn't really write his material till the mid 70s from what I hear): Curtis by Curtis Mayfield, and Innervisions by Stevie Wonder. Pet Sounds-as with all the others in my list, It's an album I enjoy and appreciate but I don't think quite deserves the status it's acrued. I rarely listen to anything other than the hits (wouldn't it be nice, god only knows, sloop john b) and there isn't a hell of a lot of stylistic or emotional range. At it's worst it's treacly and whiny and just because Paul McCartney loved it doesn't mean that it's remotely like the Beatles or that you'll like this if you liked Sgt. Pepper. Bitches Brew-I'm not the sort to label this a rambling incoherent mess, but Miles has done much better fusion albums (In A Silent Way, Dark Magus, Live Evil). We're only In It For the Money-This is not Zappa's masterpiece nor is it the anti-sgt. pepper, it's just one in a series of countercultural satire concept albums he made in the late sixties and this one isn't better or even necessarily as good as his others. Exile took me a LONG time to get into...but now I think its BY FAR the Stone's Best Moment. Its the Stones doing it their sleaziness best. Give it more of a chance...please. It might take awhile but it WILL connect with you...I have turned so many people onto this album (they all thought the same as u). ..also...Pet Sounds could never be over-rated...its a beautiful piece of work. It's another grower...but Brian Wilson's arrangements on this album are astounding. The man is truly a musical genius. | |
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Harlepolis said: Nova, I know you got better sense than that babygirl
Here, My Dear is Marvin's MOST misjudged album in his career IMHO. What makes you think its overrated, tho? Indeed my dear Harlepolis, it's Marvin's most misjudged album by his fans. The very first thing people who love this album to death bring up is the story behind the making of the album, as if that in itself is what makes it great. An album is great (or not) based on the merits of the work within, not the soap opera behind it. People are far more fascinated with the story of how the album came about, and as proof of that they always start off their love of it by talking about what spawned it. Always. The material is secondary, it seems. There is no way in hell Here, My Dear is superior to What's Going On, no matter how often people have heard the latter album. It's Marvin's greatest work. The sheer flow of the entire disc is too powerful and seamless to discount. It's not only a top tier Soul album, it's a top tier album, period. An album that sounded like nothing that came before it. Laid back, subtle in its jazziness (is that a word?). A socially conscious, protest album that doesn't have to be loud and shout (those types have just as much merit) to get its message of anger, dispair, and hope across, and Marvin wouldn't let himself be beyond reproach among it all, as "Flyin' High (In The Friendly Sky)" can attest. Listen to how "God Is Love" sort of releases "Mercy, Mercy Me" - MMM flows in with unexpected power. I was blown away the first time I listened to that album all the way thru, and I can't say that about Here, My Dear, and I can only remember one or two songs at the most that I liked from it. I know it's a sacred cow amongst Marvin's fans, but it's not special to me like WGO. WGO is Marvin's inspired masterwork. Says me. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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VELVET ROPE!!!!! by Janet Jackson
"Confessions" by Usher "Thriller" by Michael RAY OF LIGHT!!!!! by Madonna I'd get into why I feel VR & ROL are truly overrated, but I have a headache. It's a neverending argument with me anout these 2 albums & I am not in the mood at the moment. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd I was shaking my head in agreement until... NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind. I've listened to Nevermind more in the last year than I have since 1991-92 when it came out and it remains for me 'the greatest album i will ever hear in my life' which was what I thought the first time I heard it. And the music is not depressed, its completely orgasmic. | |
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[quote] mynameisnotsusan said: I've listened to Nevermind more in the last year than I have since 1991-92 when it came out and it remains for me 'the greatest album i will ever hear in my life' which was what I thought the first time I heard it. And the music is not depressed, its completely orgasmic.[/quote] 
Nirvana killed the potential careers of jermey jordan and joey lawrence. | |
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So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection. | |
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Stax said: Paul's Boutique
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mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection.
BSSM isnt even the Peppers second best album. [Edited 3/13/05 17:27pm] a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: Stax said: Paul's Boutique
*searching for bitch slap emoticon* I saw that coming. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection. In all fairness, mrd, isn't it the poster's opinion, too? | |
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Liz Phair – Exile in Guyville
I don’t fully have faith in my opinion of this album, because so many critics and acquaintances whose opinion I trust consider it a classic. However, every time I listen to it I hear exactly two great songs (fuck and run, explain it to me) – the rest sounds like run of the mill, traditional indie-pop. Reasonably well done, mind you, but still the kind of paint-by-numbers lo-fi that Lou Barlow or almost any other medium-talent in the alt-rock community could have done. There are things I like about this record. I’m reasonably keen on her voice (I enjoy the halting, off-key style she has here a lot more than the more professional style she’s adopted on her recent recordings), and I like the low-tech recording: I just don’t think the songs are generally that strong. As I said, I don’t have complete faith in my own judgment in this case. People still regard this album as a milestone ten years after its release, so that is obviously a testament to its strength – I just wish I could hear what they’re hearing. [Edited 3/13/05 18:36pm] | |
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Stax said: mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection.
BSSM isnt even the Peppers second best album. [Edited 3/13/05 17:27pm] yeah, right. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection. In all fairness, mrd, isn't it the poster's opinion, too?obviously. | |
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thesexofit said:[quote] mynameisnotsusan said: I've listened to Nevermind more in the last year than I have since 1991-92 when it came out and it remains for me 'the greatest album i will ever hear in my life' which was what I thought the first time I heard it. And the music is not depressed, its completely orgasmic.[/quote]
Nirvana killed the potential careers of jermey jordan and joey lawrence. Reality killed those potential careers, not Nirvana. Joey Lawrence indeed! | |
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mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection.
Awwww. Woe is you.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Pagey said: jacktheimprovident said: Sgt. Pepper-Don't get me wrong, a great album, but the best rock album ever? No way, not even the best Beatles album. So much of it rehashes and in many ways palliates musical ideas they'd played out on Revolver, which, along with Abbey Road and the high points of the White Album, blows this out of the water.
Dirty Mind-Our intrepid hero's most overrated work. There were funkier and harder rocking songs on his first two albums, this just has slightly better blending of styles and cheaper production values, plus the best song is the one he stole from Morris Day. Granted, it is the first album where he'd developed a more original sound, but not the masterpiece or even the great leap forward it's cut out to be. Exile On Main Street-It's good, quite good, but it seems like one continuous song to me and though I've listened to it multiple times I can't even remember any of the individual tracks afterward. Aquemini-Sorry but I enjoy Stankonia and Speakerboxxx/Love Below a whole lot better. This is an album that has become overrated among fans in backlash to how much higher rated their subsequent two albums were. Good, but not outkast's best by any means. What's Going On-Not that it isn't a great album it's just that there are at least two socially conscious R&b semi-concept albums that are much better, one of which came before, and both of which are by artists who had much more actual creative involvement in the music (marvin didn't really write his material till the mid 70s from what I hear): Curtis by Curtis Mayfield, and Innervisions by Stevie Wonder. Pet Sounds-as with all the others in my list, It's an album I enjoy and appreciate but I don't think quite deserves the status it's acrued. I rarely listen to anything other than the hits (wouldn't it be nice, god only knows, sloop john b) and there isn't a hell of a lot of stylistic or emotional range. At it's worst it's treacly and whiny and just because Paul McCartney loved it doesn't mean that it's remotely like the Beatles or that you'll like this if you liked Sgt. Pepper. Bitches Brew-I'm not the sort to label this a rambling incoherent mess, but Miles has done much better fusion albums (In A Silent Way, Dark Magus, Live Evil). We're only In It For the Money-This is not Zappa's masterpiece nor is it the anti-sgt. pepper, it's just one in a series of countercultural satire concept albums he made in the late sixties and this one isn't better or even necessarily as good as his others. Exile took me a LONG time to get into...but now I think its BY FAR the Stone's Best Moment. Its the Stones doing it their sleaziness best. Give it more of a chance...please. It might take awhile but it WILL connect with you...I have turned so many people onto this album (they all thought the same as u). ..also...Pet Sounds could never be over-rated...its a beautiful piece of work. It's another grower...but Brian Wilson's arrangements on this album are astounding. The man is truly a musical genius. Well I APPRECIATE Exile and Pet Sounds but I don't LOVE them, they just don't resonate as much with me personally as my favorite albums. I think Exile is just so damn consistent it's scary and Pet Sounds just doesn't have very much kick. In regards to the stones I F*CKING LOVE Sticky Fingers , but Exile just doesn't do it for me as much | |
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One thing people need to keep in mind is the era the album was released. It's rare for an album to have the same impact on new ears many years later. | |
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Supernova said: mrdespues said: So typical that Nevermind and BloodSugarSex came up. They are landmark albums, so of course you've got to knock them down. In my opinion those two albums are close to perfection.
Awwww. Woe is you. aw, and aren't you so superior. | |
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mrdespues said: Supernova said: Awwww. Woe is you. aw, and aren't you so superior. You better deal with the person who pissed in your corn flakes. Whoever that may be. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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thesexofit said: Nirvana killed the potential careers of jermey jordan and joey lawrence.
's gotta be worth something. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Pagey said: Exile took me a LONG time to get into...but now I think its BY FAR the Stone's Best Moment. Its the Stones doing it their sleaziness best. Give it more of a chance...please. It might take awhile but it WILL connect with you...I have turned so many people onto this album (they all thought the same as u). Yeah, I think Exile is the Stones finest hour as well - just for its relentless intensity. I'd say about a quarter of the songs aren't much more than loose jams, but the band was so completely in the zone at that point that even their throw-aways felt essential. And the peaks on Exile are the greatest things they've ever done - rock music just doesn't get any harder and meaner than Happy, Rocks Off, Tumbling Dice (their best song ever, I think) and Rip This Joint, | |
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Supernova said: mrdespues said: aw, and aren't you so superior. You better deal with the person who pissed in your corn flakes. Whoever that may be. funny, i was thinking the same thing about you. almost every time you post it's irreverent and glib and comes off as snobbery. i just posted an opinion and you decided to act like I was some sort of sad sack for talking about albums i love. what the hell is your problem anyway? | |
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I don't know how you deduce all that crap from that post, and obviously neither does TheOrgerFormallyKnownAs who made a similar observation earlier. But whatever you want to believe and be uptight about is no skin off my nose. TOFKA can (and did) disagree with me without acting like there's a burr in her underwear, I guess not everybody has that trait. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd I was shaking my head in agreement until... NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind. I've listened to Nevermind more in the last year than I have since 1991-92 when it came out and it remains for me 'the greatest album i will ever hear in my life' which was what I thought the first time I heard it. And the music is not depressed, its completely orgasmic. You're fucking kidding, right? | |
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Supernova said: I don't know how you deduce all that crap from that post, and obviously neither does TheOrgerFormallyKnownAs who made a similar observation earlier. But whatever you want to believe and be uptight about is no skin off my nose. TOFKA can (and did) disagree with me without acting like there's a burr in her underwear, I guess not everybody has that trait.
[snip-sos] . [Edited 3/13/05 19:47pm] | |
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[snip-sos] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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rialb said: Without a doubt, one of the most overrated albums of any era is The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. Not that it's terrible, but it in no way lives up to the hype.
I have to wholeheartedly agree here. Not a terrible album, but not particularly engaging either. I haven't listened to that CD in years. | |
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Blood Sugar Sex Magik is great ! (be it a little too long) | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: Xavier23 said: what are some of the most overrated albums?? some 'o' my choices
JAGGED LITTLE PILL: im sorry, but i just can't stand ALANIS MORISETTE. her voice is so fucking terrible, i have no idea how this album sold like 30 million copies CONFESSIONS: both Usher and this album are highly overrated DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE: Beyonce's stellar debut; this album gets depressing after the first 3 songs. MILLENIUM: add to this any other album from the teeny bopper era examples; "baby One More Time", "No Strings Attached", and any other "critically acclaimed" Backstreet Boys Album RAY OF LIGHT: i still dont know what's so great about this album DOOKIE: I nevr liked Green day, this album is so oooovvvvveeerrrrraaaatttteddd I was shaking my head in agreement until... NEVERMIND: An album full of Kurt Cobain's depressed drug addicted groans Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind. and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) "Americans consume the most fast food than any nation on Earth and the stupid motherfuckers wonder why they are so fat? " - Oprah Winfrey | |
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Xavier23 said: mynameisnotsusan said: Definitely not underrated because it's the most influential album of the last 25 years. There would be no Jagged Little Pill or Dookie without Nevermind. and that would have been a bad thing?? considering that both green day and Alanis Morisette are Musically talentless(then again so was Cobain) And if it was so influential, how come metal lasted longer than the 2-minute fad that was grunge? | |
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