TonyVanDam said: CORRECTION: It was Chuck Berry who taught Elvis those skills and not the other way around!
There ain't nothing Chuck Berry could teach Elvis about singing. Elvis was leaps and bounds ahead of Berry in that department. Even Jackie Wilson copied his vocal stylings ("Reet Petit"). | |
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This thread is officially ree-damn-diculous.
` [Edited 3/12/05 21:20pm] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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WildStyle said: TonyVanDam said: CORRECTION: It was Chuck Berry who taught Elvis those skills and not the other way around!
There ain't nothing Chuck Berry could teach Elvis about singing. Elvis was leaps and bounds ahead of Berry in that department. Even Jackie Wilson copied his vocal stylings ("Reet Petit"). Elvis has made millions from copying/beatbiting black artist in a lot of things (singing, dancing, etc.). | |
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TonyVanDam said: sdekm1 said: Boy, there seems to be a lot of youngins on this topic.... Mariah and Whitney has never originated anything!!! Minnie, Patti, Aretha, Stephanie Mills, and probably a million others had these kind of styles, some before those chicks were even born! Russell Thompkins from the Stylistics and Phillip Bailey from E.W.F. was before El. Chuck berry was before Elvis.
I'm close to age 30 and I can tell that there are a lot of bubblegum youngsters in this thread right now. Most of these kids can remember no further than MC Hammer or 2pac!!! We need the old-school elders to teach these people their music history. You sure are correct that the younger generation can't see past Pac, but sadly, it seems they don't want to know music history... Have you ever tried to explain to someone younger than you where this singer took that, or what sample some rapper got from a 20 year old song? They just roll their eyes and won't even listen to the originators!!! Sad! | |
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I think Whitney changed the ballad game up with "Greatest Love Of All" | |
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As for who invented "wailing"... Maria? Whitney? Patti?
I think you'll find it goes back to southern gospel music. And if you want to take it even further... slaves. | |
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dancerella said: Green Day (They've spawned many sound a likes though they all suck. Every pop/punk band that has come out over the past 5 or so years has that annoying nasal twang, despite Billy Joe not sounding quite like that). Obviously Blink 182, Sum 41, and Good Charlotte were taking notes. Kurt Cobain (kurt created the "constipated grunge groan", hehe (I made that up myself! Sound a likes include, Puddle of Mudd. it was the hair metal voice,then grunge voice,pop punk voice,and now the emo voice...really sounds like the pop punk voice to me anyways. honorable mention the creep silly nu metal raspy, whisper, to a scream voice haha | |
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Do you mean singers that kind of have a voice of their own that is easily recognizeable? There are so many from back in the day that I can recognize as soon as they start singing.
Prince Philip Bailey from Earth, Wind, & Fire Michael Cooper from Con-Funk-Shun Ronald Isley from the Isley Brothers Rick James Teena Marie Tina Turner Rod Stewart Mick Jagger Aretha Franklin Patti LaBelle Teddy Pendergrass Stephanie Mills Peabo Bryson Larry Graham Seems like just about everyone back then had a distinguishable voice. [Edited 3/13/05 5:02am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Anxiety said: i think david bowie created a certain vocal sound that became popular with most new wave acts in the '80s.
great thing about Bowie is that not only he changes his music style he has changed allot in his Vocal abilitys too, i swear his singing sounds better with age. not really common with artists.. | |
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Supernova said: This thread is officially ree-damn-diculous.
` [Edited 3/12/05 21:20pm] "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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"Hee-Heee!" | |
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Anybody ever heard this blind guy named Stevie Wonder? Damn near every R&B (and some rock) vocalist since him has borrowed from him at some point, but I guess no one noticed. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Anybody ever heard this blind guy named Stevie Wonder? Damn near every R&B (and some rock) vocalist since him has borrowed from him at some point, but I guess no one noticed.
that was the 1st name i thought of when i read the topic, was going to put it in but Harlepolis already mentioned Stevie, see nobody gets left out here, | |
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Chico1 said: lilgish said: or the chipmunks.
I have their greatest hits! I think Kanye West was influenced by the Chipmunks. The way he speeds up old songs to make it sound like them but he'll never give them props or admit to it. He wants to act like that sound is original. | |
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Think about this:
Lou Reed started that whole weird, detached, anti-Blues way of singing that influnced these artists: Bryan Ferry Tom Verlaine Mark Mothersbaugh (Devo) Ric Ocasek Johnathan Richman David Byrne Gordon Gano (Violent Femmes) John Linnel (They Might Be Giants) John McCrea (Cake) ...and so forth. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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dancerella said: Chico1 said: I have their greatest hits! I think Kanye West was influenced by the Chipmunks. The way he speeds up old songs to make it sound like them but he'll never give them props or admit to it. He wants to act like that sound is original. | |
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Chico319 said: dancerella said: I think Kanye West was influenced by the Chipmunks. The way he speeds up old songs to make it sound like them but he'll never give them props or admit to it. He wants to act like that sound is original. See, you know i'm right! | |
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Anxiety said: i think david bowie created a certain vocal sound that became popular with most new wave acts in the '80s.
Let me first qualify this by saying I'm a huge Bowie fan--of all of his changs & eras--and he is a wonderful, wonderful singer. But his later voice was definitely a pastiche of Bryan Ferry and (especially) Scott Walker. Bowie has always been a borrower. The cool thing about him is that he always had the balls to admit it. | |
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if this topic ain't played out, I'd like to add a few more names:
Little Richard Aaron Neville Johnny Cash Mama Cass Elliott Chrissie Hynde & though a friend pointed out he sometimes sounded like Cookie Monster, Tom Waits has produced some interesting 'stylings' [Edited 3/14/05 11:13am] | |
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trashoblanco said: Anxiety said: i think david bowie created a certain vocal sound that became popular with most new wave acts in the '80s.
Let me first qualify this by saying I'm a huge Bowie fan--of all of his changs & eras--and he is a wonderful, wonderful singer. But his later voice was definitely a pastiche of Bryan Ferry and (especially) Scott Walker. Bowie has always been a borrower. The cool thing about him is that he always had the balls to admit it. oh, certainly. but he's been able to recycle what he's borrowed into something that can be described as a signature style/sound. | |
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trashoblanco said: Let me first qualify this by saying I'm a huge Bowie fan--of all of his changs & eras--and he is a wonderful, wonderful singer. But his later voice was definitely a pastiche of Bryan Ferry and (especially) Scott Walker. Bowie has always been a borrower. The cool thing about him is that he always had the balls to admit it. Don't forget Eno; I hear a lot of Bowie's late-70's vocal stylings on the earlier Eno stuff. I Bowie's voice, though. The man can sing his ass off, and doesn't get the recognition he deserves for that, IMO. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: Don't forget Eno; I hear a lot of Bowie's late-70's vocal stylings on the earlier Eno stuff. I Bowie's voice, though. The man can sing his ass off, and doesn't get the recognition he deserves for that, IMO. yeah, bowie took a lot from eno...i think david byrne did, too. if you put "fear of music" and "lodger" together, some of the vocals sound downright interchangeable. i love that, though. | |
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Dewrede said: Eddie Vedder , invented that "hot potatoe in the back of your throat sound"
Vedder sounds like Darius Rucker to me.(that's the best way i can describe it) although for him it was natural Many tried to copy it ;Bush , Creed , etc [Edited 3/11/05 9:58am] | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Dewrede said: Eddie Vedder , invented that "hot potatoe in the back of your throat sound"
Vedder sounds like Darius Rucker to me.(that's the best way i can describe it) although for him it was natural Many tried to copy it ;Bush , Creed , etc [Edited 3/11/05 9:58am] didn't pearl jam show up on the scene before hootie? i hated that bullfrog sounding vocal trend when i first heard it, and it still makes my ears bleed today. i can only just barely tolerate hearing vedder do it, because occasionally he's singing something semi-intelligent. | |
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Anxiety said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Vedder sounds like Darius Rucker to me.
didn't pearl jam show up on the scene before hootie? i hated that bullfrog sounding vocal trend when i first heard it, and it still makes my ears bleed today. i can only just barely tolerate hearing vedder do it, because occasionally he's singing something semi-intelligent. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Anxiety said: didn't pearl jam show up on the scene before hootie? i hated that bullfrog sounding vocal trend when i first heard it, and it still makes my ears bleed today. i can only just barely tolerate hearing vedder do it, because occasionally he's singing something semi-intelligent. Weiland and Stapp and Nickelskank all ripped off Vedder...out of all those guys with that bullfrog vocal sound, the only one i might possibly give a pass is (even though i loathe him) darius rucker - and that's just because their whole style as a band was so much different than all that grungey intense stuff. | |
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Marrk said: "Hee-Heee!"
MJ does/did have a beautiful vocal styling, one-of-a-kind, actually. But then he started doing that "dah" and "shome on" thing around the Bad era which drove me crazy. His best songs after Bad, imho, are "Remember The Time" and "Butterflies," where he elocutes and actually sings rather than moans and grunts incoherently. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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trashoblanco said: & though a friend pointed out he sometimes sounded like Cookie Monster, Tom Waits has produced some interesting 'stylings' You know, there really is a whole Jim Henson brigade going on here. Waits is Cookie Monster, Anastasia's voice reminds me of Grover, and Eminem is of course Bert. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Anxiety said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: I don't know. I was listening to Hootie before I was listening to Vedder who Scott Stapp sounds like, who Weiland sounds like, who that Nickelback guy sounds like, etc.....
Weiland and Stapp and Nickelskank all ripped off Vedder...out of all those guys with that bullfrog vocal sound, the only one i might possibly give a pass is (even though i loathe him) darius rucker - and that's just because their whole style as a band was so much different than all that grungey intense stuff. I disagree with Scott Weiland ripping off Eddie Vedder. Stone Temple Pilots were around before Pearl Jam hit it big with Ten. STP weren't huge, but they were around, and Scott Weiland has always sounded like that. And, as much as I do love Pearl Jam and think Eddie Vedder is great, Scott Weiland's voice is way better and he does a lot more with it, not just that deep, low way of singing. Anyway, I don't think you can say Vedder was the pioneer of that way of singing... Jim Morrison was. I think both Vedder and Weiland owe a lot to him. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: Anxiety said: Weiland and Stapp and Nickelskank all ripped off Vedder...out of all those guys with that bullfrog vocal sound, the only one i might possibly give a pass is (even though i loathe him) darius rucker - and that's just because their whole style as a band was so much different than all that grungey intense stuff. I disagree with Scott Weiland ripping off Eddie Vedder. Stone Temple Pilots were around before Pearl Jam hit it big with Ten. STP weren't huge, but they were around, and Scott Weiland has always sounded like that. And, as much as I do love Pearl Jam and think Eddie Vedder is great, Scott Weiland's voice is way better and he does a lot more with it, not just that deep, low way of singing. Anyway, I don't think you can say Vedder was the pioneer of that way of singing... Jim Morrison was. I think both Vedder and Weiland owe a lot to him. .....and how about Alice In Chains? Where do they fit in? I always thought Weiland sounded like a combination of Vedder and Layne Stayley. | |
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