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Reply #60 posted 03/06/05 12:17pm

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If you look at his parents and his siblings that are just light African-Americans. I am sure due to Slavery he has some white people back in his family tree but P is not even light enough to pass himself off as white.

I just think he said all that crap in the begnining of his carreer because he did not want to get lumped in to the RnB genre.

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Reply #61 posted 03/06/05 1:46pm

Hotlegs

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Mariah Carey truly needs to get over herself. Another motherfucker who wants to be black now out of convenience.

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Reply #62 posted 03/06/05 4:24pm

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I fancy the broad, i fancy the broad. About the caption... I thought she was half black but then i found out shes like 'quater' black or something. Apparently her dad was only half black.
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Reply #63 posted 03/06/05 4:55pm

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Prince is of mixed heritage!
He's not 100% African American...geesh, does anyone understand that like most blacks in america, atleast 80% by now, are of mixed heritage.

Black ppl don't really understand this I guess...because of our own ignorance to ignore the past.
I've heard in many interviews from the late 70's throughout the 80's Prince mention that his background is Black, Italian and Native American, so therefore he is mixed...

Just because he's PRO-Black now, doesn't mean he didn't say those things back in the day!
You can clearly look at his mom and dad and tell he's not straight off the boat!

As for Mariah Carey...she is a black woman, thou she's very fair complected...and she naturally has light colored hair...thou she's taken it a few step lighter, does not make her white...Black ppl have sandy brown to blonde hair also.

Ppl and stereotypes...geesh, no one knows what makes up a person or race.
Were all human and we should get over the race game...
There's so many ppl thats mixed out here...and would only claim to be black...like "Lena Horne, Shemar Moore, Halle Berry, Rosa Parks,The Rock...etc)
So its not a big deal to me and it shouldn't be to anyone else, I'm proud they stand tall and state "I'M BLACK"...were the most talented on earth and the most blessed.

I'm black and proud also, but my family is of latin heritage also, and I won't deny that part of me either...because its who I am...and theres nothing wrong with knowing where you come from, even if its from a bad place, you just learn from it and move on.

peace and not2war!


Some of you people kill me neutral

Like I stated before there are all hues in my family. Should my caramel self, my near White looking sister & chocolate brown sister go around saying we're mixed? Or maybe only my near White looking sister should say it since that would seem acceptable to outsiders, yet our chocolate sister might get a second look making the same claim, no? neutral

There is White & Indian in my family HOWEVER despite the makeup of my grandparents, MY parents are Black. Therefore my sisters & I ARE Black.

People can claim whatever they want to claim but at a certain point the shit becomes suspect. There's a lot of muthafuckas out there itching to claim whatever they can so they're not "just Black" & that attitude/self hatred bugs the shit outta me. Like Black ain't "good enough" neutral And if most Blacks in America are mixed anyway what the fuck are we really claiming? Why the need to claim mixed if we ALL ARE genius??

Fuck all y'all, Prince is Black lol disbelief



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Reply #64 posted 03/06/05 5:00pm

TheOrgerFormer
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CalhounSq said:

NPD313 said:

Prince is of mixed heritage!
He's not 100% African American...geesh, does anyone understand that like most blacks in america, atleast 80% by now, are of mixed heritage.

Black ppl don't really understand this I guess...because of our own ignorance to ignore the past.
I've heard in many interviews from the late 70's throughout the 80's Prince mention that his background is Black, Italian and Native American, so therefore he is mixed...

Just because he's PRO-Black now, doesn't mean he didn't say those things back in the day!
You can clearly look at his mom and dad and tell he's not straight off the boat!

As for Mariah Carey...she is a black woman, thou she's very fair complected...and she naturally has light colored hair...thou she's taken it a few step lighter, does not make her white...Black ppl have sandy brown to blonde hair also.

Ppl and stereotypes...geesh, no one knows what makes up a person or race.
Were all human and we should get over the race game...
There's so many ppl thats mixed out here...and would only claim to be black...like "Lena Horne, Shemar Moore, Halle Berry, Rosa Parks,The Rock...etc)
So its not a big deal to me and it shouldn't be to anyone else, I'm proud they stand tall and state "I'M BLACK"...were the most talented on earth and the most blessed.

I'm black and proud also, but my family is of latin heritage also, and I won't deny that part of me either...because its who I am...and theres nothing wrong with knowing where you come from, even if its from a bad place, you just learn from it and move on.

peace and not2war!


Some of you people kill me neutral

Like I stated before there are all hues in my family. Should my caramel self, my near White looking sister & chocolate brown sister go around saying we're mixed? Or maybe only my near White looking sister should say it since that would seem acceptable to outsiders, yet our chocolate sister might get a second look making the same claim, no? neutral

There is White & Indian in my family HOWEVER despite the makeup of my grandparents, MY parents are Black. Therefore my sisters & I ARE Black.

People can claim whatever they want to claim but at a certain point the shit becomes suspect. There's a lot of muthafuckas out there itching to claim whatever they can so they're not "just Black" & that attitude/self hatred bugs the shit outta me. Like Black ain't "good enough" neutral And if most Blacks in America are mixed anyway what the fuck are we really claiming? Why the need to claim mixed if we ALL ARE genius??

Fuck all y'all, Prince is Black lol disbelief



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worship I am so sick of the Prince ain't 100% Black bullshit ma self.
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Reply #65 posted 03/06/05 5:00pm

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Mariah Carey truly needs to get over herself. Another motherfucker who wants to be black now out of convenience.


Mariah's father was half black Venezulean and half African American, His real last name is NUNEZ not CArey, he changed when he moved to America
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Reply #66 posted 03/06/05 5:05pm

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

CalhounSq said:



Some of you people kill me neutral

Like I stated before there are all hues in my family. Should my caramel self, my near White looking sister & chocolate brown sister go around saying we're mixed? Or maybe only my near White looking sister should say it since that would seem acceptable to outsiders, yet our chocolate sister might get a second look making the same claim, no? neutral

There is White & Indian in my family HOWEVER despite the makeup of my grandparents, MY parents are Black. Therefore my sisters & I ARE Black.

People can claim whatever they want to claim but at a certain point the shit becomes suspect. There's a lot of muthafuckas out there itching to claim whatever they can so they're not "just Black" & that attitude/self hatred bugs the shit outta me. Like Black ain't "good enough" neutral And if most Blacks in America are mixed anyway what the fuck are we really claiming? Why the need to claim mixed if we ALL ARE genius??

Fuck all y'all, Prince is Black lol disbelief



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[Edited 3/6/05 16:56pm]
worship I am so sick of the Prince ain't 100% Black bullshit ma self.


Exactly! Especially when folks wanna throw that "all American Blacks are mixed anyway" which we are but come on - who is "just Black" if we're all mixed? Only people of a certain shade?? How far back do you go w/ the "I have this & that in my family" - at that rate nobody is really Black, so what the fuck?? lol disbelief hammer
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Reply #67 posted 03/06/05 5:10pm

Chico319

CalhounSq said:

Exactly! Especially when folks wanna throw that "all American Blacks are mixed anyway" which we are but come on - who is "just Black" if we're all mixed? Only people of a certain shade?? How far back do you go w/ the "I have this & that in my family" - at that rate nobody is really Black, so what the fuck?? lol disbelief hammer



See what you started!? disbelief












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Reply #68 posted 03/06/05 5:25pm

TheOrgerFormer
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twink69 said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Mariah Carey truly needs to get over herself. Another motherfucker who wants to be black now out of convenience.


Mariah's father was half black Venezulean and half African American, His real last name is NUNEZ not CArey, he changed when he moved to America
I'm sorry but what is your point?
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Reply #69 posted 03/06/05 5:51pm

funkpill

VoicesCarry said:

Harlepolis said:



Nah but

"Most misunderstood black woman" that is.


Why would that create controversy - she's mixed, isn't she? She's always claimed that quality makes her misunderstood by both whites and blacks, so that's probably why it's on the cover.
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How could she be misunderstood by blacks
when she has so many guest rappers on her video's/album's????? lol
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Reply #70 posted 03/06/05 5:51pm

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Harlepolis said:

CalhounSq said:



What kinda stuff Harle, do tell smile


Petty shit you get bored of hearing from bunch of folks who suffer from "slave mentality".

Trust me boo, you don't even wanna bother lol


lol I really don't!
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Reply #71 posted 03/06/05 5:54pm

funkpill

Chico319 said:

I like Mariah. I really do; but I think a lot of her "controversy" or "drama" is self created. I don't think I've heard anyone in recent years even discuss her race. Until she brings it up in an interview. They're are many mixed raced celebrities; Lenny Kravitz, Prince, Halle Berry, etc...I don't think they go on and on about how they don't fit into one catagory or another. Well Halle sometimes does. But in Mariah's case; she constantly brings it up. Embrace it, address it, then let it go!!!!! shrug Another thing that really 'chaps my hide', is this incessant need to say "black" (i.e. "strong black woman", "misunderstood black woman" etc...) Once we see them, race will be apparent. But always having to put race on yourself or your 'title' just alienates (in a way) other people from being interested in anything else you'd have to say after that point. Be proud of your race, and wear it as a badge of honour if you will. But quit making it a point of controversy when it's really not.

just my twocents

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Reply #72 posted 03/06/05 6:46pm

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woot! My new signature!! woot!
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #73 posted 03/06/05 6:50pm

Janfriend

laurarichardson said:

Janfriend said:

She's been on the cover of Jet and Latina magazine....

The problem with Mariah is she creates the misunderstanding by being incomprehensible. Ego Trip's Race-O-Rama called her a tragic mulatto. She is. I'm sure she will send a letter to Essence for labeling her a black woman and have them retract it. However, she does seem to be more "black" these days. It's all about the money and what race will benefit her for the moment. She has insinuated in past interviews that her "whiteness" was more of a creation of her ex-husband. In one of my Jet magazines, she sad that she used to say she was black when people would ask her what race she was (before fame) and would immediately follow-up with "what are you mixed with?" She decided to stop saying she was black and just list what she is mixed with. It's a little silly because all black americans are mixed

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Are all African-Americans trying to past themselves off as white to sell CD's?



No, just her lol
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Reply #74 posted 03/06/05 6:56pm

Chico319

funkpill said:

Chico319 said:

I like Mariah. I really do; but I think a lot of her "controversy" or "drama" is self created. I don't think I've heard anyone in recent years even discuss her race. Until she brings it up in an interview. They're are many mixed raced celebrities; Lenny Kravitz, Prince, Halle Berry, etc...I don't think they go on and on about how they don't fit into one catagory or another. Well Halle sometimes does. But in Mariah's case; she constantly brings it up. Embrace it, address it, then let it go!!!!! shrug Another thing that really 'chaps my hide', is this incessant need to say "black" (i.e. "strong black woman", "misunderstood black woman" etc...) Once we see them, race will be apparent. But always having to put race on yourself or your 'title' just alienates (in a way) other people from being interested in anything else you'd have to say after that point. Be proud of your race, and wear it as a badge of honour if you will. But quit making it a point of controversy when it's really not.

just my twocents

biggrin


clapping Well said....



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Reply #75 posted 03/06/05 7:02pm

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

twink69 said:



Mariah's father was half black Venezulean and half African American, His real last name is NUNEZ not CArey, he changed when he moved to America
I'm sorry but what is your point?


point was she aint posing trying to be black but is black! Whatever her deal is she has issues with being so light skinned, hey dosn't every celeb "have their something"
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Reply #76 posted 03/07/05 12:09am

CalhounSq

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Adisa said:

woot! My new signature!! woot!


ROFLMFAO!! falloff
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Reply #77 posted 03/07/05 4:17am

laurarichardso
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Janfriend said:

laurarichardson said:


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Are all African-Americans trying to past themselves off as white to sell CD's?



No, just her lol

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Yes, that is my point. Just Mariah.
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Reply #78 posted 03/07/05 4:25am

DavidEye

laurarichardson said:

NPD313 said:

Prince is of mixed heritage!
He's not 100% African American...geesh, does anyone understand that like most blacks in america, atleast 80% by now, are of mixed heritage.

Black ppl don't really understand this I guess...because of our own ignorance to ignore the past.
I've heard in many interviews from the late 70's throughout the 80's Prince mention that his background is Black, Italian and Native American, so therefore he is mixed...

Just because he's PRO-Black now, doesn't mean he didn't say those things back in the day!
You can clearly look at his mom and dad and tell he's not straight off the boat!

As for Mariah Carey...she is a black woman, thou she's very fair complected...and she naturally has light colored hair...thou she's taken it a few step lighter, does not make her white...Black ppl have sandy brown to blonde hair also.

Ppl and stereotypes...geesh, no one knows what makes up a person or race.
Were all human and we should get over the race game...
There's so many ppl thats mixed out here...and would only claim to be black...like "Lena Horne, Shemar Moore, Halle Berry, Rosa Parks,The Rock...etc)
So its not a big deal to me and it shouldn't be to anyone else, I'm proud they stand tall and state "I'M BLACK"...were the most talented on earth and the most blessed.

I'm black and proud also, but my family is of latin heritage also, and I won't deny that part of me either...because its who I am...and theres nothing wrong with knowing where you come from, even if its from a bad place, you just learn from it and move on.

peace and not2war!

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If you look at his parents and his siblings that are just light African-Americans. I am sure due to Slavery he has some white people back in his family tree but P is not even light enough to pass himself off as white.

I just think he said all that crap in the begnining of his carreer because he did not want to get lumped in to the RnB genre.



I agree with Laura.Prince is black,but he just "pretended" to be racially mixed so he wouldn't get lumped into the R&B category.Plus,in the early days of his career,he liked playing games with the media and confusing people.Ask him today and he will tell you that he is a black man.
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Reply #79 posted 03/07/05 4:51am

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No one ever said "Black" wasn't good enough!
Whether Prince is Blue or Purple, I don't honestly think he'd lie about his mixed heritage...come on!

Prince is a black man of course, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a mixed background.

I don't like the comment "YOU PEOPLE", because your talking to just one person here.
Don't highlight my post and then say "YOU PEOPLE", because thats pure ignorance on your part.
Alot of black are finding out more and more about their heritage and thats a great thing...so to accept everything about your racial makeup is great...I don't see anything wrong with it.

Whats the big deal!?
Anyhow...as I stated b4, I am a black man, very proud of it...but I'm not gonna go around and ignore my latin roots also.

I've always been taught to embrace all of me and be proud of where I came from...This is just stupid.

I'm glad Mariah is featured on Essence, she's just as much black as anyone else is.
If she's been on Latina or Jet Magazine, it doesn't matter...alot of hispanics have african roots, so nothings wrong with embracing it all.

God Bless u all.
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Reply #80 posted 03/07/05 6:23am

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NPD313 said:

No one ever said "Black" wasn't good enough!


No, that's what a lot of people are implying
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #81 posted 03/07/05 7:26am

kisscamille

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Mariah Carey truly needs to get over herself. Another motherfucker who wants to be black now out of convenience.



I agree with you 100%. I haven't been interested in anything she's done for years. She's a complete fake. I wouldn't give her or her music the time of day.
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Reply #82 posted 03/07/05 8:56am

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Reply #83 posted 03/07/05 9:02am

VoicesCarry

I hope people see the irony in this: EVERYONE has some black bloodline in them since the human race STARTED OUT BLACK. lol

So, hey, we're ALL black. wink
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Reply #84 posted 03/07/05 9:17am

TheOrgerFormer
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twink69 said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

I'm sorry but what is your point?


point was she aint posing trying to be black but is black! Whatever her deal is she has issues with being so light skinned, hey dosn't every celeb "have their something"
Oh, she's black now. lol Til she changes her mind again.
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Reply #85 posted 03/07/05 9:27am

Hotlegs

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

twink69 said:



point was she aint posing trying to be black but is black! Whatever her deal is she has issues with being so light skinned, hey dosn't every celeb "have their something"
Oh, she's black now. lol Til she changes her mind again.

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Reply #86 posted 03/07/05 9:36am

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i thought this was about mariah? yall please dont make this a prince complexion thread. two things, i'm not sure whats goin' on inside her head but maybe she's gettin' older and seeing things in a different light(no pun intended) about herself or maybe she really is trying to capitalize on being black i dunno. but i've noticed that many black celebs who've avoided being pinned down as black or of the black community to appeal to the masses have eventually "come home" due to losing star power or some sort of respect overall. i've seen it with O.J. simpson, Michael Jackson, and janet jackson for that matter after the super bowl scandal.



You took the words out of my mouth! That's exactly what I was going to say. it's really a shame they so many black people try to assimilate themselves with white folks. Be proud and embrace your damn heritage! Everyone does.
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Reply #87 posted 03/07/05 10:23am

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Fuck the article about Mariah being misunderstood, I just want to know how to get a fat tax refund. smile
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Reply #88 posted 03/07/05 10:29am

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I guess all the caption did was contribute to the misunderstanding of Mariah

...and just when I thought I had a clue sad Now Im wondering how well I understand myself?
If you will, so will I
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Reply #89 posted 03/07/05 1:42pm

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CalhounSq said:

NPD313 said:

Prince is of mixed heritage!
He's not 100% African American...geesh, does anyone understand that like most blacks in america, atleast 80% by now, are of mixed heritage.

Black ppl don't really understand this I guess...because of our own ignorance to ignore the past.
I've heard in many interviews from the late 70's throughout the 80's Prince mention that his background is Black, Italian and Native American, so therefore he is mixed...

Just because he's PRO-Black now, doesn't mean he didn't say those things back in the day!
You can clearly look at his mom and dad and tell he's not straight off the boat!

As for Mariah Carey...she is a black woman, thou she's very fair complected...and she naturally has light colored hair...thou she's taken it a few step lighter, does not make her white...Black ppl have sandy brown to blonde hair also.

Ppl and stereotypes...geesh, no one knows what makes up a person or race.
Were all human and we should get over the race game...
There's so many ppl thats mixed out here...and would only claim to be black...like "Lena Horne, Shemar Moore, Halle Berry, Rosa Parks,The Rock...etc)
So its not a big deal to me and it shouldn't be to anyone else, I'm proud they stand tall and state "I'M BLACK"...were the most talented on earth and the most blessed.

I'm black and proud also, but my family is of latin heritage also, and I won't deny that part of me either...because its who I am...and theres nothing wrong with knowing where you come from, even if its from a bad place, you just learn from it and move on.

peace and not2war!


Some of you people kill me neutral

Like I stated before there are all hues in my family. Should my caramel self, my near White looking sister & chocolate brown sister go around saying we're mixed? Or maybe only my near White looking sister should say it since that would seem acceptable to outsiders, yet our chocolate sister might get a second look making the same claim, no? neutral

There is White & Indian in my family HOWEVER despite the makeup of my grandparents, MY parents are Black. Therefore my sisters & I ARE Black.

People can claim whatever they want to claim but at a certain point the shit becomes suspect. There's a lot of muthafuckas out there itching to claim whatever they can so they're not "just Black" & that attitude/self hatred bugs the shit outta me. Like Black ain't "good enough" neutral And if most Blacks in America are mixed anyway what the fuck are we really claiming? Why the need to claim mixed if we ALL ARE genius??

Fuck all y'all, Prince is Black lol disbelief



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