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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: TurnItUp said: It's definitely the same song. Just because he throw on some different lyrics, he still used the Beautiful Ones. He should've touched it at all. Man, you need to clean your ears. Actually sit and LISTEN to them side by side. If you can't recognize the differences when several others have, you can't be helped. As to the Usher /J. Lo conflict, I'm not sure of the details, but I have a remix of Get Right with Usher doing some vocals on it. If an artist writes and records any part of a song, he/she can declare themselves entitled to a portion of the publishing if they didn't sign an agreement stating to the contrary. Think that's wrong? Try it in court and see where it gets up. There are a ton of cases at your local law library that will support that. If he sang on the song and didn't write it, then he is still entitled to mechanical royalties, unless he signed those rights away. I can have my ears clean as a whistle or more wax in them that I can make a dozen box of candles. He stole the song. I'm aware that he used different lyrics, but he still touched the "Beautiful Ones" I don't want him touching none of Prince's songs, not even a little interpolation. I read in that Music Law that you have to WRITE, not record a song/songs to get publishing rights and I knew you are Love4oneanother couldn't prove me wrong, but you still have time to list how many songs Usher co-wrote or what I'm really waiting on wrote all by himself on any of his albums. I don't think he could write to save his life. I'll check myself if you don't. | |
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TurnItUp said: I can have my ears clean as a whistle or more wax in them that I can make a dozen box of candles. He stole the song. I'm aware that he used different lyrics, but he still touched the "Beautiful Ones" I don't want him touching none of Prince's songs, not even a little interpolation. I read in that Music Law that you have to WRITE, not record a song/songs to get publishing rights and I knew you are Love4oneanother couldn't prove me wrong, but you still have time to list how many songs Usher co-wrote or what I'm really waiting on wrote all by himself on any of his albums. I don't think he could write to save his life. I'll check myself if you don't. Just what Prince needs...another guardian.  Whoever produced the song is the one who "touched" The Beautiful Ones. As for having to WRITE a song to get publishing rights, who's argueing that? I agree totally. I'm not researching how many songs Usher writes because I don't care. As to what you want Usher to do, at 8.5 million units sold, I'd say what you want is of no consequence. So what if Usher & his people tipped their hats to Prince? It has nothing to do with you or any other little Prince lapdog on this site. Getting pissed about it is useless. What's done is done. Get over it. Learn to deal. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TurnItUp said: I can have my ears clean as a whistle or more wax in them that I can make a dozen box of candles. He stole the song. I'm aware that he used different lyrics, but he still touched the "Beautiful Ones" I don't want him touching none of Prince's songs, not even a little interpolation. I read in that Music Law that you have to WRITE, not record a song/songs to get publishing rights and I knew you are Love4oneanother couldn't prove me wrong, but you still have time to list how many songs Usher co-wrote or what I'm really waiting on wrote all by himself on any of his albums. I don't think he could write to save his life. I'll check myself if you don't. Just what Prince needs...another guardian. Whoever produced the song is the one who "touched" The Beautiful Ones. As for having to WRITE a song to get publishing rights, who's argueing that? I agree totally. I'm not researching how many songs Usher writes because I don't care. As to what you want Usher to do, at 8.5 million units sold, I'd say what you want is of no consequence. So what if Usher & his people tipped their hats to Prince? It has nothing to do with you or any other little Prince lapdog on this site. Getting pissed about it is useless. What's done is done. Get over it. Learn to deal.It was Jermaine Dupri who produced that steaming piece of trash And like i said 20% of a song has to be original which could be altering drum patterns, bass lines etc... its not completely the same if it was exactly the same, it would constitute as a cover, and royalties would have to be payed i believe | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: BlaqueKnight said: Just what Prince needs...another guardian. Whoever produced the song is the one who "touched" The Beautiful Ones. As for having to WRITE a song to get publishing rights, who's argueing that? I agree totally. I'm not researching how many songs Usher writes because I don't care. As to what you want Usher to do, at 8.5 million units sold, I'd say what you want is of no consequence. So what if Usher & his people tipped their hats to Prince? It has nothing to do with you or any other little Prince lapdog on this site. Getting pissed about it is useless. What's done is done. Get over it. Learn to deal.It was Jermaine Dupri who produced that steaming piece of trash And like i said 20% of a song has to be original which could be altering drum patterns, bass lines etc... its not completely the same if it was exactly the same, it would constitute as a cover, and royalties would have to be payed i believe One thing I can agree on, getting pissed is useless. If he sampled it he sampled it, which I am not happy about, but at least have the decency and the respect to include it in the credits. Now the one I borrowed from the library is the re-issue copy. I don't know if the first issue includes the credits, but what kills me is artist who aren;'t even into these older artist but they want to borrow their music to make a buck. "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit. I guess that's what's pissin' me off. By the way what was the name of this song that Ursher supposedly recorded. I read about on Eurweb.com, but I forget the title. Love4oneanother, thanks for the info on "Music Law". I didn't get a chance to read it word for word, but I will because now that I am older I care about REAL music now more than when I was younger over this crap that you hear 50 billion times a day on the radio that the music industry wants to pass as talent. But that was this site is all about, we orgers agree to disagree.  | |
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TurnItUp said: Luv4oneanotha said: It was Jermaine Dupri who produced that steaming piece of trash And like i said 20% of a song has to be original which could be altering drum patterns, bass lines etc... its not completely the same if it was exactly the same, it would constitute as a cover, and royalties would have to be payed i believe One thing I can agree on, getting pissed is useless. If he sampled it he sampled it, which I am not happy about, but at least have the decency and the respect to include it in the credits. Now the one I borrowed from the library is the re-issue copy. I don't know if the first issue includes the credits, but what kills me is artist who aren;'t even into these older artist but they want to borrow their music to make a buck. "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit. I guess that's what's pissin' me off. By the way what was the name of this song that Ursher supposedly recorded. I read about on Eurweb.com, but I forget the title. Love4oneanother, thanks for the info on "Music Law". I didn't get a chance to read it word for word, but I will because now that I am older I care about REAL music now more than when I was younger over this crap that you hear 50 billion times a day on the radio that the music industry wants to pass as talent. But that was this site is all about, we orgers agree to disagree. TurnItUp. You're rather emotional about all this. I would suggest you take a Mydol and then take it easy but hearing you rant is much more fun. and BTW...it's not a sample. Nowhere near. But I'm sure you know this and that you're just messing with everyone. RE: The "younger artists"...every generation has a generation of "younger artist's" that strips more and more away from what was "their" music. I'm sure your parents said the same thing to you when they heard you listening to Liberace. Perhaps the gap is greater because the past generation has grown up without music in the schools. If this continues, what we know as music today will continue to be stripped down even further....and much faster. Knowing that, you have to give credit to innovation. What may be crude to your ears is sophisticated to others. And whoever played that really stiff non-sampled keyboard part probably thought they touched greatness. They probably thought it was a tribute. I only joke about Usher, I have some of his stuff. He's got talent. I doubt he or any of these guys would say: "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit..." If they didn't like then they would take...or try to take. They are probably more in awe because they're taking components from a whole that they really don't understand. True, it seems if they don't know the music...they know enough of the law to work their way around a suit. This comes down to ethics and there's nothing anyone can really do about that. You can't sue someone for being shady. It's not that easy. If it were, I know someone that should be sued 'cause he doesn't know the difference between a sample and an attempt at recreation. A bad one at that. I do agree with you that at least written credit for "inspiration" should be given. It would be good if that caught on but I doubt that any of these guys want to hold their versions up to the originals. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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anon said: TurnItUp said: One thing I can agree on, getting pissed is useless. If he sampled it he sampled it, which I am not happy about, but at least have the decency and the respect to include it in the credits. Now the one I borrowed from the library is the re-issue copy. I don't know if the first issue includes the credits, but what kills me is artist who aren;'t even into these older artist but they want to borrow their music to make a buck. "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit. I guess that's what's pissin' me off. By the way what was the name of this song that Ursher supposedly recorded. I read about on Eurweb.com, but I forget the title. Love4oneanother, thanks for the info on "Music Law". I didn't get a chance to read it word for word, but I will because now that I am older I care about REAL music now more than when I was younger over this crap that you hear 50 billion times a day on the radio that the music industry wants to pass as talent. But that was this site is all about, we orgers agree to disagree. TurnItUp. You're rather emotional about all this. I would suggest you take a Mydol and then take it easy but hearing you rant is much more fun. and BTW...it's not a sample. Nowhere near. But I'm sure you know this and that you're just messing with everyone. RE: The "younger artists"...every generation has a generation of "younger artist's" that strips more and more away from what was "their" music. I'm sure your parents said the same thing to you when they heard you listening to Liberace. Perhaps the gap is greater because the past generation has grown up without music in the schools. If this continues, what we know as music today will continue to be stripped down even further....and much faster. Knowing that, you have to give credit to innovation. What may be crude to your ears is sophisticated to others. And whoever played that really stiff non-sampled keyboard part probably thought they touched greatness. They probably thought it was a tribute. I only joke about Usher, I have some of his stuff. He's got talent. I doubt he or any of these guys would say: "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit..." If they didn't like then they would take...or try to take. They are probably more in awe because they're taking components from a whole that they really don't understand. True, it seems if they don't know the music...they know enough of the law to work their way around a suit. This comes down to ethics and there's nothing anyone can really do about that. You can't sue someone for being shady. It's not that easy. If it were, I know someone that should be sued 'cause he doesn't know the difference between a sample and an attempt at recreation. A bad one at that. I do agree with you that at least written credit for "inspiration" should be given. It would be good if that caught on but I doubt that any of these guys want to hold their versions up to the originals. I don't take Midol(spell it correctly) I take Premsin. I wasn't no Liberace fan by no means and BTW was right. It was a sample. You can say it wasn't over and over if you want and yeah I get serious because I guess I'm puttin' myself in Prince's place. At first I use to wonder why nobody hardly sampled Prince's music and I kinda wanted artist to cuz I wanted to hear how music sounded sampled, but now I'm with him I don't want anybody f**ing his music up. Don't touch it, simple as that. Usher-Do it to me--sample of Prince-The Beautiful Ones. I'm gettin' sick, I think I'll take a Premsin. | |
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TurnItUp said: anon said: TurnItUp. You're rather emotional about all this. I would suggest you take a Mydol and then take it easy but hearing you rant is much more fun. and BTW...it's not a sample. Nowhere near. But I'm sure you know this and that you're just messing with everyone. RE: The "younger artists"...every generation has a generation of "younger artist's" that strips more and more away from what was "their" music. I'm sure your parents said the same thing to you when they heard you listening to Liberace. Perhaps the gap is greater because the past generation has grown up without music in the schools. If this continues, what we know as music today will continue to be stripped down even further....and much faster. Knowing that, you have to give credit to innovation. What may be crude to your ears is sophisticated to others. And whoever played that really stiff non-sampled keyboard part probably thought they touched greatness. They probably thought it was a tribute. I only joke about Usher, I have some of his stuff. He's got talent. I doubt he or any of these guys would say: "I don't really like you, but I'll take your music if it will make me a hit..." If they didn't like then they would take...or try to take. They are probably more in awe because they're taking components from a whole that they really don't understand. True, it seems if they don't know the music...they know enough of the law to work their way around a suit. This comes down to ethics and there's nothing anyone can really do about that. You can't sue someone for being shady. It's not that easy. If it were, I know someone that should be sued 'cause he doesn't know the difference between a sample and an attempt at recreation. A bad one at that. I do agree with you that at least written credit for "inspiration" should be given. It would be good if that caught on but I doubt that any of these guys want to hold their versions up to the originals. I don't take Midol(spell it correctly) I take Premsin. I wasn't no Liberace fan by no means and BTW was right. It was a sample. You can say it wasn't over and over if you want and yeah I get serious because I guess I'm puttin' myself in Prince's place. At first I use to wonder why nobody hardly sampled Prince's music and I kinda wanted artist to cuz I wanted to hear how music sounded sampled, but now I'm with him I don't want anybody f**ing his music up. Don't touch it, simple as that. Usher-Do it to me--sample of Prince-The Beautiful Ones. I'm gettin' sick, I think I'll take a Premsin. I ain't mentionin' no names but this one rhymes with ian icKnight. if Usher has you worked up, icKnight will probably send you into cardiac. You're gonna need more than Premsin Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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anon said: TurnItUp said: I don't take Midol(spell it correctly) I take Premsin. I wasn't no Liberace fan by no means and BTW was right. It was a sample. You can say it wasn't over and over if you want and yeah I get serious because I guess I'm puttin' myself in Prince's place. At first I use to wonder why nobody hardly sampled Prince's music and I kinda wanted artist to cuz I wanted to hear how music sounded sampled, but now I'm with him I don't want anybody f**ing his music up. Don't touch it, simple as that. Usher-Do it to me--sample of Prince-The Beautiful Ones. I'm gettin' sick, I think I'll take a Premsin. I ain't mentionin' no names but this one rhymes with ian icKnight. if Usher has you worked up, icKnight will probably send you into cardiac. You're gonna need more than Premsin Are you tryin to say Brian Mcknight, if you how is he gonna send me into cardiac? I'd really like to know, cuz Bran Mcknight has always been alright with me. | |
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TurnItUp said: anon said: I ain't mentionin' no names but this one rhymes with ian icKnight. if Usher has you worked up, icKnight will probably send you into cardiac. You're gonna need more than Premsin Are you tryin to say Brian Mcknight, if you how is he gonna send me into cardiac? I'd really like to know, cuz Bran Mcknight has always been alright with me. Dude steals songs right and left. Let's just say "Anytime" was NOT his. | |
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TurnItUp said: anon said: I ain't mentionin' no names but this one rhymes with ian icKnight. if Usher has you worked up, icKnight will probably send you into cardiac. You're gonna need more than Premsin Are you tryin to say Brian Mcknight, if you how is he gonna send me into cardiac? I'd really like to know, cuz Bran Mcknight has always been alright with me. I like him too but there's no denying that he's "taken" or as you would call it "sampled" so much from so many. He takes with much greater skill than the Usher people so you might have a harder time hearing the uh..."samples". Listen to the example that VoicesCarry listed. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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