Alright let's see if I get a lock thrown on this one. Take 2.

I was one of the few folks that didn't buy Usher's CD confessions. I just heard it recently and did NOT know that he sampled Prince's The Beautiful Ones" with the song "Give it to Me". I also noticed I didn't see where gave credit on sampling Prince. If he did correct me, cuz this bastard is gonna have the nerve to be mad at J.Lo for using a song he says he recorded, but it never was released and J.Lo uses it for her song "Get Right", but he turns around and samples Prince and tries to pull it off like it is an original song.

N***ga please!

Please comment, that's if I don't get a lock thrown on this tread. Even though I have never made up a tread on Usher and I have never seen this tread duplicated before!

TurnItUp said:

It has been talked about. Actually I believe a moderator locked a thread just like this on the Prince section because of so much talk on it already.

Well.. I dont know what else more 2 say on this right now...yeah he sampled some of it..no credit. Prince should go and sue the boy if he had not been paid already uncredited. Go figure.

It wasn't sampled...
It was recreated...!

Theirs fair game in the recreation of songs

Just as Alicia Keys Stole the beat to "Its a mans world" on Fallin
Since it wasn't a sample and she was actually playing the instrument and melody
It was fair game..

you cannot sue...

Thats the reason why P's always pissed at peeps who cover his music...
he has no control over it, he's probably pissed about this as well
But he can't do a damn thing.

Luv4oneanotha said:

THAT'S A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!!! He sampled that song. He didn't recreate shit. Hardly none of these new artist can up with an original tune if their lives depended on it!

It's the same shit, but with a different twist. He can sue if he wanted to. Just like people have sued Prince who claimed he stole their ideas. I don't know if they won or not, but they did sue.

paisleypark4 said:

By the way that was me who got the lock thrown on my tread. I didn't know anyone else had made up a tread on it because like I said I didn't run out and buy Confessions. I just borrowed from my local library and am just now hearing the wack song.

TurnItUp said:

im afraid its true...
It called it a Prince tribute song, listened closely to the give it to me and The Beautiful Ones
its not exactly the same...
it was like he looked for the same sounds that sound alike but it didn't come out exactly like the original

HE recreated the beat, using new equipment
but he still stole it from The Beautiful Ones no matter what
But Prince can't do a damn thing about it

Luv4oneanotha said:

Man I don't care if it's legal that's the SAME FUCKIN' SONG. LISTEN TO IT!

sure, but i find prince's version much much much much better

Luv4oneanotha said:

It's actually called "Do It To Me" and yes, it does sound like something Prince did back in the Controversy and 1999 era.

It's kinda like how Puff "recreated" Kiss on Biggie's song Would Yuo Die For Me.

If I recall, he asked Prince for the sample and he declined. But Diddy "recreated" a Kiss-like sound.

Wasn't this what Prince successfully sued Phil Collins for with Susudio back in '85? Just as Usher "interpolated" Prince, Collins definitely didn't sample Prince, it was "inspired". The song wasn't as blatantly derivative as Usher's is of Prince, either. Or am I missing something?

silverchild said:

Sorry, you're right. I don't where I got Give it to me from. I was so shity about the sample and it's such a wack ass song that I couldn't even get the title straight.

VoicesCarry said:

Thank you. Love4oneanotha, you sound just like Vanilla Ice when he tried to sit up there and tell a boldface lie that he didn't sample off of the David Bowie/Queen's song Under Pressure. He said he did borrow from them, but it has that ting in the song, there's goes this way, ours goes this way. "It's not the same". I remember that Queen sued him and they got paid. I can't remember if David was involved in the lawsuit or not.

So that stuff about Prince can't sue, unless you are a lawyer how do you know? and I can listen to the song closely or far far away. It's the Beautiful Ones and a terrible sample at that.

musicman said:

I have only heard a piece of that song at the end of the one song by The Lox, you the one that's a tribute to Biggie and Lil Kim is in the video. That's Kiss, no question about it.

I like the beat, but that's because I liked Biggies rhyme matched with it. But it is still sampling and I sure as hell don't want Puffy, P. Diddy, whatever the hell he calls hisself these days going through Prince's music.

TurnItUp said:

Breh, im an artist, and i know about copyright infringement laws because i saught it out. if something is taken directly out of a song A.K.A a Sample
The person who created the sample must recieve credit and compensation!

Now its pretty much obvious you don't know what a sample is, by your remark "a terrible sample" A sample is a cut paste recording from the original. If Usher did sample The Beautiful Ones it would sound exactly like the ORIGINAL!, except with his voice overs and maybe added drum line. such as what Vanilla Ice did, Taking the Bassline and added a hip hop beat. But Ice didn't use a sample. He recreated the bass... the problem he did was he recreated it note for note only changing it a little bit. He didn't know if you are going to copy a peice of sheet music, more than 20% has to be original! since he only changed about 5% of the bass line it was counted as a sample. Thus he was sued. (and got his ass whup by Suge Knight)

What Usher did was an inspirational track. But more than 20% of the song was original... including added synths, altering synths structure so it doesn't sound EXACTLY the same!
What he didn't change was the Drum Line, because in a court of law Drum Lines are fair game, Melodies, Bass Lines are grounds for suing, since the bass line was different, the synths where at a different pitch, its no longer taken from the Original sheet music. It is under a court of law an original peice,
Now usher did acknowledge that Do It To Me, was a Prince Tribute song, But prince can't get no credit other than inspiration.

How do i know about this stuff? other than being an artist myself...
I've always been quite fond of law, so music and law comes naturally to me.

Its a Tribute, but it wasn't a sample
Prince can't sue,

Luv4oneanotha said:

BULLSHIT ARTIST is what you are. I don't care what you say Prince can sue if he wants to. Unless you post your law degree, I ain't try to hear none of that ying yang you talking about. Usher sampled. Recreate my ass.

That's just like the person who mentioned that Alicia Keys sampled off of James Brown. I never knew that, but "Fallen" does sample "It's a mans world" or
PM Dawn when they used Spandau Ballet's song "True. It's sampling.

It wasn't no Prince tribute. He just used the music because he couldn't come up with an original tune like the rest of these plastic artist who know nothing about music. Sell your shit to somebody else, cuz I ain't buying!


Note* I definitely wouldn't be buying your CDs, cuz the way you talkin', you probably are one of these plastic artist I just mentioned who won't be able to come up with an original beat to save your life, cuz if you believed in ORIGINALITY. You wouldn't sit up here and say these artist aren't sampling when you know good and damn well they are.

christ... fallin didn't sample its a mans world...
it played the melody on the piano

you have no idea what a sample is,

Note: The C.D.'s i've sold in the past where free... so i don't care if you wanna buy em or not... lol
I don't use samples, primarily cause its dangerous territory, and i don't know anyone famous to sample off.

I only respect ORIGINAL artist
Usher can kiss my ass, and his producer Jermaine Dupri
[Edited 3/4/05 13:53pm]

I tell ya what so, you can stop making a preverbial ass out yourself
Why don't you study up on "Music Law", Pay close attension to copyright infringment and Samples

http://music-law.com/

seriously i dunno why i bother, with such ignorance...

Luv4oneanotha said:

I like Alicia Keys, but she is known for sampling some songs just like Beyonce and alot of these new artist do. I have a pretty good idea what sampling is, STEALING, BORROWING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UP WITH AN ORGINAL BEAT, and NO TALENT.

If you respected ORIGINAL artist, you would not keep saying that sampling is originality/recreation.

BlaqueKnight said:

It's definitely the same song. Just because he throw on some different lyrics, he still used the Beautiful Ones. He should've touched it at all.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Yeah, what would we ever do without you?

Luv4oneanotha said:

You're right, you are ignorant. You didn't have to tell me that.

I just read some of what "Music Law" has to say and first of all you posted "Music Law" not YOUR Law degree. You still not talkin' bout nothin, so you might as well continue botherin' folks with the ignorance.

The sampling--I didn't read in the credits where Usher put in the credits that he sampled off of Prince's the Beautiful Ones, because he DID SAMPLE. It was NOT an original beat.

Plus I also read about the publishing rights and it was just like I thought: I thought you had to WRITE NOT SIMPLY RECORD a song to get publishing rights. I read somewhere that Usher was pissed because J.Lo used the horn section from a song he recorded that he wanted to put on the re-issue of Confessions, but didn't get to. Then Jennifer Lopez turns around he puts on "Get Right". He was suppose to had said. "No I'm not happy about it, I'm mad as hell and I better get some of the publishing rights.

I'm going how is the mutha***a gone talk about he better get some publishing rights if he just recorded the song and didn't write it. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't even think Usher could write out of a paper bag. Somebody please list first songs he co-wrote, but to really shut me up, show song he WROTE solely by himself WITH NO HELP. I really want to know if he wrote this song that JennyLo supposedly stolen from him.

VoicesCarry said:

stop being coy, you know im right!

perhaps you should be moderator, cause he's obviously not getting me
and i don't understand what the hell he's talking about!

Luv4oneanotha said:

It's not a sample, it's a fuckin' ripoff, legal or not.

VoicesCarry said:

THANK YOU!

TurnItUp said:

Man, you need to clean your ears. Actually sit and LISTEN to them side by side. If you can't recognize the differences when several others have, you can't be helped.
As to the Usher /J. Lo conflict, I'm not sure of the details, but I have a remix of Get Right with Usher doing some vocals on it.
If an artist writes and records any part of a song, he/she can declare themselves entitled to a portion of the publishing if they didn't sign an agreement stating to the contrary. Think that's wrong? Try it in court and see where it gets up. There are a ton of cases at your local law library that will support that. If he sang on the song and didn't write it, then he is still entitled to mechanical royalties, unless he signed those rights away.

I liked Webster better when he was a little boy doing those NO! RUN! and TELL PSA's . Who'da thunk he woulda growed up to be takin' other peoples music like that.

I just heard the track (That makes 2 that didn't buy the CD). I think the greater insult to an artist would be that some of you can't tell that the stiff, heavy handed performance isn't a sample.

The sad part is that the song is such a waste of stolen "inspiration". The hook is kind of cute in its own right. But it's just layin' on top there doin' it's own thing. Not really working as a whole.

Those Usher people need a little help "borrowin" other peoples stuff. They should give McKnight a call.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Wrong. What I tell ya, I knew you would continue to bother with the ignorance.
Anyway I love ya anyway.