TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

If he gets acquitted,the people close to him (family,friends,advisors) should intervene and DEMAND that he get help.If they don't,he'll be in the same mess again ten years from now (another abuse allegation).

DavidEye said:

Umm, he likes hanging out with children. What's wrong with that? It may be hard for you to grasp but there are plenty of adults that enjoy the company of children without there being a disturbing sexual subtext involved. The comedian Eric Morcambe was one example. Besides, who's to say that even if he quits the slumber parties there won't be someone else come along and try to tap him for money? You'll have to excuse me but I don't see the connection between a liking for children and needing therapy. What about foster parents, nursery teachers, youth care community workers? It's like you're assuming that anyone involved in the well being of children needs their head examined.

It may just be possible that he's not a paedophile but simply an eccentric guy who likes to give people a good time. And if it is the case, then I see nothing wrong with it.

He's only been accused of molestation twice now. Want to shoot for a third arraignment?

VoicesCarry said:

He's been accused more than twice. And accusations alone don't make a person guilty.

Easy target, lots of money.

DavidEye said:

Umm, he likes hanging out with children. What's wrong with that? It may be hard for you to grasp but there are plenty of adults that enjoy the company of children without there being a disturbing sexual subtext involved. The comedian Eric Morcambe was one example. Besides, who's to say that even if he quits the slumber parties there won't be someone else come along and try to tap him for money? You'll have to excuse me but I don't see the connection between a liking for children and needing therapy. What about foster parents, nursery teachers, youth care community workers? It's like you're assuming that anyone involved in the well being of children needs their head examined.

It may just be possible that he's not a paedophile but simply an eccentric guy who likes to give people a good time. And if it is the case, then I see nothing wrong with it.

Uh, my point exactly. Perhaps he should stop hanging out around the kiddies, huh?

He is a 46-year old man who shows his porn magazines to underage boys

You're missing the point.He needs therapy because...


***He is a 46-year old man who can't let go of his childhood

***He is a 46-year old man who has "sleepovers" with young boys

***He is a 46-year old man who sleeps in a bed with young boys

***He is a 46-year old man who shows his porn magazines to underage boys

***He is a 46-year old man who has TWICE been accused of molesting a young boy

Contrary to what you may think,these characterics are NOT normal.This is more than just a case of him being an eccentric,misunderstood guy.There are deeper,more disturbing issues at play here.Stop defending his actions!

You do realize that's only alleged, right?

How many of you got into your parents'/friend's parents' stash when you were younger?

The boy's fingerprints were found on those magazines.The defense is making the absurd claim that these boys simply "raided Michael's porn" and that he did not deliberately show it to them.

DavidEye said:

But this is possible. They spent a lot of time at MJ's house even when he wasn't around.

Uh, my point exactly. Perhaps he should stop hanging out around the kiddies, huh?

Impossible. How do you want to do that? Lock him in a room for the rest of his life? Whenever a child comes to him, walk away and say: "Leave me alone, I am NO pedophile"?

Well we´ve discussed it before haven´t we, so actually I won´t continue with that.

Cloudy I am with you. Just as they say that we find a way to rationalize everything for him, they also always find a way to make him a sick paedo.


Oh, how easy to to question someone else´s sanity when you are protected by anonimity? Post guys all your personal shit here as well, so we can compare who is less or more sane, or are you all so perfect?

Hey, dag, I wasn't saying he was a paedo. Your words YET AGAIN

All I was saying is that it's a FUCKING SMART MOVE for Michael to STOP HOSTING THEME PARK DAYS AT NEVERLAND AND INVITING DOZENS OF CHILDREN INTO HIS HOME.

Well, I wasn´t responding to you, I was responding in general to some ppl.

And as for inviting children - he might eventually stop after all this shit, but I personally don´t like the idea that he should stop doing something like that just because there are some sick ppl trying to take advantage of him. Inviting children the way he does it might not be "smart" move in light of what he went through but it is HUMAN! And I love this quality about him, you know? That´s what makes him MJ!

Human? How about stupid?

dag said:

Human? How about stupid?

DavidEye said:

Umm, he likes hanging out with children. What's wrong with that? It may be hard for you to grasp but there are plenty of adults that enjoy the company of children without there being a disturbing sexual subtext involved. The comedian Eric Morcambe was one example. Besides, who's to say that even if he quits the slumber parties there won't be someone else come along and try to tap him for money? You'll have to excuse me but I don't see the connection between a liking for children and needing therapy. What about foster parents, nursery teachers, youth care community workers? It's like you're assuming that anyone involved in the well being of children needs their head examined.

It may just be possible that he's not a paedophile but simply an eccentric guy who likes to give people a good time. And if it is the case, then I see nothing wrong with it.

Impossible. How do you want to do that? Lock him in a room for the rest of his life? Whenever a child comes to him, walk away and say: "Leave me alone, I am NO pedophile"?

Well we´ve discussed it before haven´t we, so actually I won´t continue with that.

Cloudy I am with you. Just as they say that we find a way to rationalize everything for him, they also always find a way to make him a sick paedo.


Oh, how easy to to question someone else´s sanity when you are protected by anonimity? Post guys all your personal shit here as well, so we can compare who is less or more sane, or are you all so perfect?

Cloudy, I'm not saying Michael Jackson is a pedophile but don't you think, just a little, that this guy needs some therapy? Yes, there is nothing wrong with loving kids, but damn, when you become a parent, you don't get to act like one anymore. Fuck the fact that he didn't get a normal childhood, no excuse, NONE.

Cloudbuster said:

Cloudy, I'm not saying Michael Jackson is a pedophile but don't you think, just a little, that this guy needs some therapy? Yes, there is nothing wrong with loving kids, but damn, when you become a parent, you don't get to act like one anymore. Fuck the fact that he didn't get a normal childhood, no excuse, NONE.

Please. Where in this thread do you see someone call Mike a pedophile?

No one here is saying they are perfectly normal but can you say that you think Michael is?

I think its obvious by now that the sister of the accuser is a complete LIAR. I am appauled that this is the best that Sneddon has to offer. The mother is a liar, the sister is a liar, and Martin Bashir is a snake out for ratings and notoriety. Doesnt look like Sneddon has too much of a case against MJ right now.
Whats even more of a shame is the media's handling of the trial. It seems as though they are treating recent developments as an afterthought in their coverage but at thesame time seem to jump at the chance to suggest that MJ is guilty. Its ridiculous.

BOYS DON'T LIE?
Discrepancies in the accuser and his brother's molestation accounts will fuel Jackson defense
MARCH 7--With their sister already struggling on the witness stand, the Los Angeles brothers at the heart of the molestation case against Michael Jackson are now waiting in the wings, with their anticipated testimony appearing more crucial than ever.

However, the pair's accounts of Jackson's illegal behavior have been fluid and filled with the kind of troubling inconsistencies and contradictions that could easily undermine their uncorroborated version of the singer's alleged sex assaults in his Neverland Ranch bedroom. Based on The Smoking Gun's review of sealed search warrant affidavits and investigative reports and the 1903-page grand jury transcript, below you'll find several key areas in which the teenage duo's tales appear ripe for a vigorous cross examination by Jackson lawyer Thomas Mesereau.



BROTHER SEES MOLESTATION

Like his siblings, the accuser's brother, now 14, first spoke of Jackson's alleged abuse during a May 29, 2003 interview with Stanley Katz, an L.A. child psychologist to whom the children were referred by the family's lawyer, Larry Feldman.

In an interview with detectives, Katz recalled that the boy told him of two instances in which he saw Jackson place his hand on his brother's crotch, above the boy's clothes. However, on July 7, during his first interview with sheriff's investigators, the child's story shifted considerably.

This time, he claimed to have seen Jackson place his left hand under the front of his brother's pajama pants during the first alleged incident. Jackson, he told cops, was "jacking off" with his right hand. During the second molestation, the boy reported, Jackson's erect penis was exposed and the performer was masturbating.

The boy again tweaked his account in an August 13 police interview, saying that Jackson had placed his hand inside the front of his brother's boxer shorts--the only mention that his brother wore that kind of underwear. The accuser has said he wore Hanes briefs during the molestations, and when investigators raided Jackson's estate in November 2003, among the items they searched for were that brand of briefs, not boxers.

During the younger boy's initial grand jury appearance, he testified that his brother was wearing "underwear and a shirt" during the first assault and "pants shorts" during the second alleges molestation. Gone were any mentions of pajama pants, boxers, and, of course, inappropriate touching over his brother's clothes.

In a follow-up grand jury appearance on April 15, the boy also committed himself to other facts that will surely be called into question by Mesereau. For example, the boy said that the two molestations occurred between 1:00 AM and 2:00 AM--when Jackson's home was presumably quiet. The child testified that as he headed for the singer's bedroom, which is on the second floor of Neverland's main house, he set off two alarms, which were triggered by hidden sensors. The boy claimed that tripping the sensors triggered two loud "ding-ding" sounds. Asked if Jackson could have heard the tones, the boy first said no, since a door leading to the stairs to the singer's bedroom was closed. He later modified that claim, noting that you can, in fact, hear the warning alarm from Jackson's bedroom if the downstairs door was closed. But, the boy claimed, the alarm sound was "really low." Which, it seems, would defeat the purpose of a security system that detectives have claimed, for more than a decade, was used by Jackson to alert him when someone was approaching the stairs to his bedroom. The inference being, of course, that those "ding-ding" warnings would give Jackson time to stop molesting a boy before someone--maids, aides, police--reached his room.

The boy, who claimed to have seen his brother's molestation from a vantage point on the stairs, testified that he watched each episode for "about a minute" before heading downstairs and out of the main house. In his opening statement, District Attorney Tom Sneddon told jurors that the buy was "frozen by what he saw" from his stairwell perch. The boy, however, never offered investigators (or the grand jury) such a dramatic explanation for his lingering look.

Based solely on the younger brother's account, Jackson has been charged with a pair of felony molestation counts in connection with these two alleged incidents.



GOLF CART GROPE

During his interview with Katz, the younger brother claimed that he was once traveling in a golf cart with Jackson when the entertainer allegedly reached over and placed his hand on the child's penis--again over the clothes. At the time of this alleged March 2003 incident--which the boy said occurred in the days before he watched Jackson molest his brother--the child was driving the golf cart, with Jackson to his right.

In his first interview with detectives, on July 7, the boy claimed that while he drove, Jackson reached over with his left hand and touched the boy's "penis and testicles" over his clothing.

However, by the time the boy reached the Santa Barbara grand jury on March 29, 2004, his story had changed. During a drive through Neverland, Jackson, he testified, "put his hand--he wasn't close to my private area, but he put his hand on my leg until we reached the train station, then he moved his hand." During his second grand jury appearance, on April 15, the boy said Jackson placed his hand on his right thigh. When prosecutor Ronald Zonen asked, "How close to your crotch?" the child replied, "About a couple of inches. But he wasn't touching it."

Jackson has not been charged in connection with the alleged golf cart incident.



ATTEMPTED MOLESTATION

During his first interview with detectives, on July 7, 2003, the alleged victim, now 15, claimed that Jackson once took his hand and made him touch the performer's "private part" over his clothes. The child would later testify that he believed the incident occurred while he was being molested by Jackson.

In an August 13 police interview, the accuser was again asked if he was "made to do anything to" Jackson. He answered, "I don't know. I don't think he did." The child told detectives that he believed Jackson "asked him something about touching" him, but that he told the performer he "didn't want to." When detectives reminded him of his July 7 claim that Jackson made him touch him on the outside of his pants, the teenager "said he could not remember that," according to a sealed search warrant affidavit.

However, by the time of his first grand jury appearance, the boy had rallied, becoming more certain of this alleged molestation attempt.

Asked if he ever touched Jackson, the boys said, "No. He--he wanted me to, but I didn't. I said no. And I pulled my hand away." He added, "He put his hand on my hand, and he was trying to gesture my hand to go to where he wanted me to touch it. I pulled my hand away."

For this alleged incident, Jackson was charged with a felony count of attempting to commit a lewd act upon a child. In his closing statement to grand jurors, Zonen claimed that while the incident wasn't "even attempted, it's actually completed child molestation," prosecutors were "going to give Mr. Jackson the benefit of the doubt on that one" and only charge him with an attempted lewd act.

No honey - HUMAN!!!!! HUMAN HUMAN!