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PrintableDo you think MJ is loving all of this attention and sees it as an extension of his fame? Or is it really an extension of his fame?
Do you think MJ is scared at all or really know the consequences of what is going on? He seems to be acting like a kid (always does) and not in adult fashion at all. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: Do you think MJ is loving all of this attention and sees it as an extension of his fame? Or is it really an extension of his fame?
Do you think MJ is scared at all or really know the consequences of what is going on? He seems to be acting like a kid (always does) and not in adult fashion at all. The best way to show innocence is by not making it seem as anythings troubling you If you change your normal attitudes, hint hint? Why is he moping around for? is he scared?, If he stops acting like Michael Jackson, people will start to get suspicious Any kind of publicity is good publicity, ironically enough ever since the raid in 2003, his publishing has been selling off the roof if he can get an aquital of charges this could mean BIG money. | |
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Apparently Papa Joe is negotiating with The World Cup 2006 organizing commitee for Michael to appear at the opening ceromony next year in Germany. How's that for confidence?
IMO that's ok, just so long as he can kick a ball better than Diana Ross!  [Edited 3/3/05 13:38pm] |
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Another wierd...really odd thing is that MJ supposedly did the molestation AFTER the documentory. If he was already in Crisis control about how this would look...why would he do those things AFTER the documentory.
So it goes like this???? Doc. airs There is a lot of Damage to MJ Molestation take place MJ gets family to rebuke stuff on tape saying MJ is ok etc. Family accuses MJ. I am not certain now...it's like Chewbacca and it's not making sense. The things I read (on smoking gun) would be the things that would happen when there is a calmness in the MJ camp. Not during crisis control. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: So it goes like this???? Doc. airs There is a lot of Damage to MJ Molestation take place MJ gets family to rebuke stuff on tape saying MJ is ok etc. Family accuses MJ. Actually i think it's Doc. airs There is a lot of Damage to MJ Kidnapping takes place MJ gets family to rebuke stuff on tape saying MJ is ok etc. Molestation take place Family accuses MJ. It's more complicated than that however, because dates were changed from the first complaint to the arrest to the grand jury. "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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SpcMs said: superspaceboy said: So it goes like this???? Doc. airs There is a lot of Damage to MJ Molestation take place MJ gets family to rebuke stuff on tape saying MJ is ok etc. Family accuses MJ. Actually i think it's Doc. airs There is a lot of Damage to MJ Kidnapping takes place MJ gets family to rebuke stuff on tape saying MJ is ok etc. Molestation take place Family accuses MJ. It's more complicated than that however, because dates were changed from the first complaint to the arrest to the grand jury. So why would MJ make true the allegations/suspicions that were false. I find it strange where he saya "it's all innocent" and then goes and does what he does? Wouldn't the kid then KNOW about this stuff and wouldn't it ALARM him that this stuff that they say wasn't happening...happening? Now if they were to say that this stuff happened before or even during the Bashir documentory...I'd be more apt to believe. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: So why would MJ make true the allegations/suspicions that were false. I find it strange where he saya "it's all innocent" and then goes and does what he does? Wouldn't the kid then KNOW about this stuff and wouldn't it ALARM him that this stuff that they say wasn't happening...happening? Now if they were to say that this stuff happened before or even during the Bashir documentory...I'd be more apt to believe.
Obviously i agree. Also because there are smaller but even more obvious contradictions in the timeline. Someone should take the time to detail the different timelines so far and the numerous contradictions in them. "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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BlueNote said: Okay, this is really shocking. I never wanted to be a kind of conspiracy nerd who believes Sony is behind this, but what Mesereau got out of this Ann Gabriel is almost mind blowing! This is not from a nerdy fan, this comes from AP...
Witness claims intrigue over Jackson catalogue deal with Sony
By LINDA DEUTSCH AP Special Correspondent Michael Jackson's infamous relationship with Sony Music became a subtext for testimony at his molestation trial Wednesday, with suggestions by a witness that associates were plotting behind his back to wrest away his co-ownership of a valuable song catalogue that includes the music of the Beatles. The unexpected testimony came from Ann Kite, who was hired briefly in 2003 to work on public relations damage control after the airing of a documentary in which Jackson said he let boys sleep in his bedroom. She suggested that some of the men charged as unindicted co-conspirators in the molestation case were actually enemies of Jackson's interests who were planted in his inner circle to bring about his downfall. The issue of the catalogue came up during cross-examination of Kite by defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. Drawing on Kite's previous statements to police he suggested there was a backstairs intrigue going on among Jackson's "team." "You told the police that you thought Michael Jackson was being slammed by the team?" asked Mesereau. "Yes," she said. "And your opinion was this team was not out to help Michael Jackson?" asked the lawyer. "That was my opinion," she said. Jackson's stake in Sony/ATV, which includes catalogues for the Beatles and many Elvis Presley songs, was estimated by Forbes magazine several years ago to be worth at least $350 million. Jackson bought ATV in 1985 for about $47.5 million and sold it to Sony for about $95 million in 1995, but retained a half interest. Kite, who said she only lasted on the job for Jackson for six days and never met the pop superstar, said she tried in that short time to shift the attention of his associates to crisis management but to no avail. "Michael was going to get skewered on national TV and there was no plan of action to protect his interests from scurrilous allegations," she said. Kite said she believed she had Jackson's public relations interest at heart more than adviser Ronald Konitzer, his partner, Dieter Wiesner, and Stuart Backerman, who was then Jackson's official spokesman. She also named unindicted co-conspirator Marc Schaffel as a key figure working against Jackson. "You said that Mr. Konitzer was hired to isolate Michael Jackson and let him create his downfall so that Sony could get the catalogue back, isn't that correct?" asked Mesereau. "Not in those words," said the witness. But she said she was aware of the importance of Jackson's interest in Sony and understood that he owned the rights to many major songs including those by the Beatles. "I knew that Mr. Jackson had spoken out vigorously against record labels and still had a contract with Sony," she said. Mesereau asked if she had told police that "Sony was waiting for the opportunity to get the Sony catalogue back." "That's correct," she said. In 2002, Jackson launched a public feud with then-Sony Music chief Tommy Mottola. Jackson, following poor sales and alleged lack of promotion of the album "Invincible," accused Mottola of being a racist, saying he was "mean, he's a racist, and he's very, very devilish." Several black industry executives spoke in Mottola's defense and Sony called his statements "ludicrous spiteful and hurtful." Mottola resigned from the company in 2003 to start a new musical venture. A telephone message seeking comment on the witness' claims was left at Sony Corp. in New York City after business hours Wednesday night. There was no immediate response. A call to Konitzer also was not immediately returned late Wednesday. BlueNote Well Michael did say there was a conspiracy within Sony in view of him in 2002 (A year after the troubles he was having with Sony and it's burying of Invincible) Well Mottola eventually walked and Neverland was raided the day 'Number Ones' was released. IMO MJ should sell his half of the catalogue to another big corporation and let Sony battle it out with them. The damn thing he bought for a relative pittance in 1985 for 47.5 Million is worth 1.5 billion now. The stakes are too high and somebody is out to get Michael Jackson. unfairly in my view. |
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If he stops acting like Michael Jackson, people will start to get suspicious
exactly BTW when I said the day he was arrested that I think Sony was behind it (cause to me him being arrested the day he releases an album is more than suspicious as if he released an album each week) ppl including some MJ fans thought I was paranoid and everything else. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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J@cko Mystery Witness: Family Planned It
Tuesday, March 01, 2005 By Roger Friedman A close friend of the family involved in the Michael Jackson child molestation case has a startling statement ready when she's called by the defense. "She will say that the daughter told her they would own Michael Jackson's home." So says H. Russell Halpern, attorney for the father of the children involved in the case. What Halpern says is interesting, because it goes to the heart of the relationships in the family. These stories could come out when the defense presents its case. However, so far, Halpern says Jackson's defense team has not contacted him for assistance. Halpern often comes across as a publicity hound, because he's given so many interviews since the Jackson scandal erupted. On the other hand, he's never sold a story, and his accounts of the family are probably closer to the truth than any others. He's handled years and years of their domestic litigations as well as criminal matters. Halpern says that at some point before all of this started, the couple in question's oldest child, their daughter, went to stay with a family friend after she fought with her mother. "She told the friend that they were going to wind up with Michael Jackson's house," Halpern told me. "The daughter also claimed that her mother beat her. Later, she recanted and said it was her father." Last week, Halpern confirmed for press organizations that the boy in the case once instigated an investigation into his mother for abuse with the Department of Social Services. Strangely enough, Halpern says that at one point in their domestic war, the mother got the two sons to sign letters saying they didn't want to see their father anymore. The daughter wouldn't sign, even though the mother had alleged in one of her many family court skirmishes that the father had gone to the daughter's school and threatened to kill her. There were no witnesses to that incident, however. The daughter, now 18, moved away from her mother and brothers and in with her maternal grandparents in 2003, just as the scandal broke with Jackson. My sources have long argued that she did this because she disagreed with the mother's actions in the case. Yesterday, in his opening remarks, Jackson's defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. depicted the mother as grifter on the make who bilked lots of people, especially celebrities, out of money using her kids' illness and apparent poverty as bait. This much we do know is incontrovertible: the mother solicited financial help several times from outside private sources including the LAPD, never telling anyone that she had also had celebrity help, welfare checks and a six-figure settlement in a case involving JCPenney. So Mesereau has a mound of evidence that will show the mother did more than, as lead prosecutor Tom Sneddon said yesterday in his own opening remarks, "make a lot of mistakes." Mesereau will set out to prove, if he can get all his ducks in a row, that the only "mistakes" made by the mother was leaving a bread-crumb trail of lies right to her own front door. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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do you have a link to this story dag? | |
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Here´s the link
http://www.foxnews.com/st...0.html#2 Now what a pedophile!!! 
Sorry guys, I just came across and couldn´t help myself! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: easy with the pics and liking women also means nothing. Most pedos can and do go with adults also. nice pic though. [Edited 3/3/05 16:42pm] | |
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lilgish said: dag said: easy with the pics and liking women also means nothing. Most pedos can and do go with adults also. nice pic though. [Edited 3/3/05 16:42pm]  |
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Can we cool it on the big pics!!!! use a thumbnail guys. This is gonna get slow to open soon. [Edited 3/3/05 18:05pm] | |
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krayzie said: lilgish said: easy with the pics and liking women also means nothing. Most pedos can and do go with adults also. nice pic though. [Edited 3/3/05 16:42pm] Looks like the kid is latched onto him, rather than visa versa Is that the Kid from the 6th sense? | |
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This is gonna get slow to open soon.
alright easy with the pics and liking women also means nothing. Most pedos can and do go with adults also.
Don´t know about this one. I thought that liking women rules out being pedo and vice versa. Does anyone have a degree in psychology to clarify that? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Sister of Jackson's Accuser Testifies 2 hours, 3 minutes ago By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent SANTA MARIA, Calif. - The teenage sister of Michael Jackson (news)'s accuser told jurors Thursday about a series of unusual events that unfolded around the time of the alleged abuse, including a sudden trip in which the family was whisked away to Miami on a private jet. The sister also described a drinking party with Jackson, changes in her brother's behavior and claims of death threats against her family. The testimony was elicited to support allegations the singer conspired to hold the accuser's family captive and get them to rebut a February 2003 documentary in which Jackson said he allowed boys to sleep in his bed. The Miami trip occurred as the program was about to air. The sister did not mention witnessing any molestation of her brother, a cancer survivor. She was to continue testifying Friday. "Me and my brother are very, very close," she said. "During all this he didn't want to talk to me. He didn't want to be near me." She said she once discovered a wine cellar by following her two brothers through a door hidden behind a juke box. "When I walked into the wine cellar I saw Michael Jackson pouring wine into cups," she said. Her brothers and the son of a Jackson assistant were drinking from the cups; she had one too, she testified. Earlier, she testified that on the flight back from Miami, Jackson shared a soda can with her brother, and also gave him a watch and a jacket decorated with sparkles. Prosecutors allege the boy was molested twice by Jackson after the program aired. They contend Jackson gave the boy wine in the soda can and the gifts as bribes to keep quiet about the alcohol. The 18-year-old college freshman avoided eye contact with Jackson during most of her testimony as she described the family's encounters with him, which began during a celebrity-filled odyssey after her brother was diagnosed with cancer. The family was introduced to such stars as actor Chris Tucker and NBA star Kobe Bryant. Jackson showed no reaction during her testimony. Leaving court, he said that seeing her was "interesting, frustrating." The defense has portrayed the family as being motivated by greed in its pursuit of celebrities. Under questioning by District Attorney Tom Sneddon, the girl told jurors about strange events that happened after the documentary by British journalist Martin Bashir was taped. The girl said after an urgent call from her mother, the family was flown to Miami on a private jet. At a resort there, Jackson was waiting and in his suite they met a large group of people, she said. The witness said her brother quickly received special attention from Jackson, who pulled him aside and closed the door to his room. She said the two remained in the room about 15 to 30 minutes and similar private visits occurred at least three more times during their stay. When her brother came out, she said, "He was very hyper, running around, very talkative, playful." Jackson instructed the family not to watch the Bashir documentary that night. "He was upset about it, didn't want us to see it," she said. Back at Neverland, she said, the family had a conversation with a Jackson adviser in which he urged her and her family to take part in a rebuttal video and gave them a script. She said they were later instructed by Jackson associate Dieter Wiesner to "say nice things about Mr. Jackson and not talk about what goes on at the ranch." Afterward, Jackson's associates told them there were death threats against the family, and they were taken to a luxury hotel near Neverland, she said. They also were taken to apply for passports and visas for a trip to Brazil, she said — a trip that never happened. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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No!!!  BIG PICS again!!! | |
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BlueNote said: No!!!
BIG PICS again!!!Hey! Leave them pics alone!  | |
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dag said: This is gonna get slow to open soon.
alright easy with the pics and liking women also means nothing. Most pedos can and do go with adults also.
Don´t know about this one. I thought that liking women rules out being pedo and vice versa. Does anyone have a degree in psychology to clarify that? No, it doesn't. And you don't need a degree in psychology to know this - just read enough basic criminology. | |
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No, it doesn't. And you don't need a degree in psychology to know this - just read enough basic criminology
you´re right, I don´t read criminology. But I thought that pedos for example get married, just to hide the fact that they like kids - to appear normal to pp. That they can be married, have kids, yet they have troubles eventually keeping a healthy sex lifes with their wifes. I don´t know I am not psychiatrist (hope I spelled that right) "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Yesterday, BBC World's (UK) coverage of the daily proceedings was basically something like this: "Today the Jury has been presented with evidence from the raids to Michael Jackson's Neverland home that lead to his arrest 14 months ago. The prosecution has shown them pictures of his house with a secret room filled with dolls". Dolls? I don't know, but as far as evidence for serial rapism goes dolls aren't exactly the most condemning, are they? At least with OJ they had a blood-stained glove, Michael has... dolls? Maybe they could present Michael's make-up bags and wigs too as evidence. Sure, being an unconventional male equals crime.  | |
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Novabreaker said: "Today the Jury has been presented with evidence from the raids to Michael Jackson's Neverland home that lead to his arrest 14 months ago. The prosecution has shown them pictures of his house with a secret room filled with dolls".
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Seriously, it was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on BBC. They have coverage from the South East Asia terrorist trials and then there's the daily tidbit about the Michael Jackson case (they seem to air it each hour, however) and that was basically it. The reporter had a completely deadpan face when he said "dolls". And the worst thing was they seem to be completely convinced that the prosecution is on the right tracks - and that it's not a fuckin' charade already after just a couple of hearings. Of course newscasting should be neutral, but this is bordering on... I don't know what exactly is it bordering on, but it's a bit too much. Is this supposed to be a criminal case? Pictures of goddamn dolls were presented as evidence in the Michael Jackson child abuse trial. | |
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This case is getting better and better!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I loved his bedroom
he realy is a sad man he can go to prison 4 just giving those kids alcohol ,wait till it gets to all the gory details of his relationship with his accuser ,that should be fun the case will get worse and worse 4 Peter Pan   | |
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dag said: No, it doesn't. And you don't need a degree in psychology to know this - just read enough basic criminology
you´re right, I don´t read criminology. But I thought that pedos for example get married, just to hide the fact that they like kids - to appear normal to pp. That they can be married, have kids, yet they have troubles eventually keeping a healthy sex lifes with their wifes. I don´t know I am not psychiatrist (hope I spelled that right) Many pedos experience sexual dysfunction with womem - but not all. But how does this help your case for Michael, when he exhibits such a history (which I actually think is just a general fear of intimacy, not specific to women, but still). | |
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Many pedos experience sexual dysfunction with womem - but not all. But how does this help your case for Michael, when he exhibits such a history (which I actually think is just a general fear of intimacy, not specific to women, but still). I am just exhibiting what he hasn´t exhibited. And if what is exhibited has such an impact, maybe my exhibition will have the same iimpact. Does this mess make sence? 
Maybe he has a fear of intimacy. Well if I were in his shoes decieted as much as he was, I´d have it as well. But this fear has also nothing to do with his sexuality. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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