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Tired of this Rap nonsense Ok so another Beef, another shooting, blah blah blah. And of course no one takes a stand. Video stations and Record Labels should make an effort to find artists in rap that put forth a positive image or at least a decent one. Every Rapper on MTV and BET are the same old shit. The chain, the hat, the gear, takes his shirt off, has the car, tons of women, liqour, weed, money, yeah thats realism. No surprise that no rapper uses their real name, its all fake. But as PRINCE said all of this is a Reflection of who we are, and what we want and that is sad. I think its time to turn the page on Rap. So now one of 50's boys got shot, here we go again. I have no clue who did it, and honestly dont care. I hope that this guy doesnt get killed because then he will be a hero to kids, which honestly is sad. I was watching BET and they were putting some rappers in the same sentence as Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers....Am i the only one with a problem with that analogy. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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i say, at peril of having my "race card/ghetto pass" revoked (whatever...)
that we need to put Hip Hop to sleep for a bit, 'til these young brothers learn decorum...there isn't anyone in the game at present who should be mentioned in the PARAGRAPH as Dr. King or Malcom... posture your mandables towards the sky
and oscilate them in an apathetic manner throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care | |
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0V3RF13ND said: i say, at peril of having my "race card/ghetto pass" revoked (whatever...)
that we need to put Hip Hop to sleep for a bit, 'til these young brothers learn decorum...there isn't anyone in the game at present who should be mentioned in the PARAGRAPH as Dr. King or Malcom... And i think BET and MTV should be moving towards cleaning it up, i mean they are cleaning up Baseball right now, how about cleaning up the way MTV and BET decide what will be played. Dont get me wrong Im not talking about censorship of someones art, I am just talking about due time for opposite views, I mean the ROOTS arent part of this image how come BET and MTV are playing them 24/7 when they put something out. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Ok so another Beef, another shooting, blah blah blah. And of course no one takes a stand. Video stations and Record Labels should make an effort to find artists in rap that put forth a positive image or at least a decent one. Every Rapper on MTV and BET are the same old shit. The chain, the hat, the gear, takes his shirt off, has the car, tons of women, liqour, weed, money, yeah thats realism. No surprise that no rapper uses their real name, its all fake. But as PRINCE said all of this is a Reflection of who we are, and what we want and that is sad. I think its time to turn the page on Rap. So now one of 50's boys got shot, here we go again. I have no clue who did it, and honestly dont care. I hope that this guy doesnt get killed because then he will be a hero to kids, which honestly is sad. I was watching BET and they were putting some rappers in the same sentence as Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers....Am i the only one with a problem with that analogy.
I've said this a million times and I'll say it again.....rap/hip/hop makes me sick! I can't stand to even watch BET anymore. All they do is glorify the thug behavior of all these losers. They may all be getting rich, but they're still nothing but a bunch of thug losers in my book. I'm not saying all rappers are thugs or losers, but a huge majority that are most popular now, certainly seem that way to me. When you glorify someone getting shot or shooting someone else or getting caught with a gun it only makes them more popular. It's appalling that anyone of any colour would be put these assholes in the same sentence as Malcolm, Martin etc. When are people going to wake up and demand that this shit stop?? I know people said the same thing when rock and roll was becoming popular, but this is quite different. These thugs are walking around with loaded weapons, drugs etc with no regard for their own life or anyone else's. | |
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As a Prince and Rick James fan, the negativity in rap/hip hop has not been the biggest problem with me because I was used to it in Prince's and Rick's music. Rick sang about the ghetto, drugs, pimps, prostitution, winos, etc. but at least he made real music made from scratch with hard, kick ass funk behind it and it sounded good. Then, there was Prince singing about sex, sex, and more sex which people called negative also but it still was real music with hard kick ass funk behind it and sounded good. To me, if a song sounds good, I could care less about the lyrics.
My biggest problem with rap/hip hop is the way it sounds. It's too slow to dance to and too fast to fuck to. It serves no purpose. I don't listen to music to hear a story, I listen to it to either have a good time, party, dance, or seduce someone and rap/hip hop serves no purpose for any of this. If I want to hear a story, I will watch a movie or a soap opera. A story is not what I listen to music for. I do understand fully what you are saying though. Back in Prince's and Rick's day, there were tons of other artists out there that were doing their own thing as well. You had negative artists but you also had tons of artists that sang strictly about dancing, partying, and "shaking bootys". There was a wide variety of talent back then and there was just as much positive as there was negative as far as lyrics go and it never got as low class as to resort to violence. The majority of today's lyrics, images, and everything else surrounding it is negative.....placed on top of a weak ass, midtempo, undanceable beat. [Edited 3/1/05 11:56am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: As a Prince and Rick James fan, the negativity in rap/hip hop has not been the biggest problem with me because I was used to it in Prince's and Rick's music. Rick sang about the ghetto, drugs, pimps, prostitution, winos, etc. but at least he made real music made from scratch with hard, kick ass funk behind it and it sounded good. Then, there was Prince singing about sex, sex, and more sex which people called negative also but it still was real music with hard kick ass funk behind it and sounded good. To me, if a song sounds good, I could care less about the lyrics.
My biggest problem with rap/hip hop is the way it sounds. It's too slow to dance to and too fast to fuck to. It serves no purpose. I don't listen to music to hear a story, I listen to it to either have a good time, party, dance, or seduce someone and rap/hip hop serves no purpose for any of this. If I want to hear a story, I will watch a movie or a soap opera. A story is not what I listen to music for. I do understand fully what you are saying though. Back in Prince's and Rick's day, there were tons of other artists out there that were doing their own thing as well. You had negative artists but you also had tons of artists that sang strictly about dancing, partying, and "shaking bootys". There was a wide variety of talent back then and there was just as much positive as there was negative as far as lyrics go and it never got as low class as to resort to violence. The majority of today's lyrics, images, and everything else surrounding it is negative.....placed on top of a weak ass, midtempo, undanceable beat. [Edited 3/1/05 11:56am] Well said. I hate to say it but I think most modern rap sounds the same. Just some lame midtempo beat with MUMBLING (in the case of 50 Cent and his ilk) or drawling over it. The lyrics aren't about anything (but almost always negative), and you don't need any songwriting skills because there's no melody, no hook, no nothing. Just the sanitized beat and the mumbling. Rap and hip-hop have truly been bastardized - this was not how it was at the beginning. I think this is perpetuating an evil stereotype and glamorizing real problems and issues that should be discussed and dealt with. *My comments apply to most hit rap. There are still some good artists out there, but they generally aren't being heard in the mainstream. | |
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My sentiments exactly!!! But the real truth is that money rules the music industry not morality. The music industry knows that it is the young ones who buy by far the bulk of music releases. They would go broke it they had to rely on us responsible level headed adults to finance the industry. Now ask a yound person why they like rap and they themselves will not be able to give you and clear and defined answer. Find a kid who listens to rap all day and I will show you a parent who is not raising a child properly. Raising children in today's society requires a lot of time [time the music industry vitally needs from young people] so as to offset the many distractions children are enticed into, and good parents have to make that time. One of the things I did since I knew my daughter had a love for music[ala her dad] was to supply her with tons of good music, by doing this you are training their ear musically, keep an open mind to new music, don't be "overly critical", I too once listened to some "objectional" music during my early guitar training days, when they mature and have been properly trained they will know what to feed their ears and what not. Remember this, the music industry is now unlike years ago is a multi billion dollar industry. Artist have to be manufactured as opposed to being discovered so as to feed the monster's money hungry appetite. What better way to do this than to "sell your soul to the Devil"! | |
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the shit sells and that is the bottom line.  Trust me if they could sell records about being "straight out the meadow" instead of being "straight out of the ghetto" they would. Unfortunately, violence gets peoples attention, Dre was even quoted as saying, "sure sex sells, but violence sells more". | |
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jw1914 said:
Now ask a yound person why they like rap and they themselves will not be able to give you and clear and defined answer. So very true. I ask many of them all the time "what is it that sounds so good about this song to you" and nine times out of ten, they reply "listen to what he is saying, he's talking some 'real' shit". I tell them as I have said before, if you want to hear a story, go watch a movie. They are more into the lyrics than they are the music. But of course they would be because there's no music behind it. Remember this, the music industry is now unlike years ago is a multi billion dollar industry. Artist have to be manufactured as opposed to being discovered so as to feed the monster's money hungry appetite.
Exactly. Rap and hip hop is a cheap form of music to make and can be made very quickly. No musicians to pay in the studio or when they go on tour. No hauling around, setting up, and doing sound checks for these instruments at venues. Just pop in a pre-recorded tape of the music at the venues, let them rap on top of it, and have a few dancers to fill up the stage where the band should have been. These record companies are making big money off of rap and spending very little to make it. There's no way they are going to let it go out of style any time soon. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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the shit sells and that is the bottom line. Trust me if they could sell records about being "straight out the meadow" instead of being "straight out of the ghetto" they would. Not when they can make a large profit by spending very little money like they do with rap. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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And let us not be "short-sighted", there is a ton of negitive music found in the Heavy Metal catagory of music as rap/hiphop. It's a attack at the young. These music executives could care less about the morality of the young, their only interest is in the green in the pockets of our young ones. Why aren't there any bands anymore? Contractually it is far easier to legally control one individual than 6 or 7 in a band. "If this rapper starts demanding anything we'll end his contract and we all know he won't be able to go anywhere else for he has no genuine talent, and we'll just manufacture another eager thug wanna be "rapper star". Then we'll use them as the carot before the horse to entice the young buy clothes, jewelery,cars like him. We will be rich!!!" | |
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vainandy said: sinisterpentatonic said:
the shit sells and that is the bottom line. Trust me if they could sell records about being "straight out the meadow" instead of being "straight out of the ghetto" they would. Not when they can make a large profit by spending very little money like they do with rap. 
WHAAAAT?! | |
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Who controls and rule this world including the music industry?
2Cor.4:4 "among whom the god[ruler, controller] of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers[young ones], that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of Gog, might not shine through." 1John 5:19 "We know we originate with God, but the whole world[including the music industry] is lying in the [power of the] wicked one." Rev.12:9 "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth, and his angles were hurled down with him. Sorry for going there, but it is because of this knowledge that I have that I understand why today's music is where is's at. | |
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I just saw a story about the shooting on the news. Some idiot said that from the sound of what 50 cent said on the radio to provoke the shooting, he was asking for it. Not that he's the one that got shot... All this stuff does is rot people's brains.  | |
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0V3RF13ND said: i say, at peril of having my "race card/ghetto pass" revoked (whatever...)
that we need to put Hip Hop to sleep for a bit, 'til these young brothers learn decorum...there isn't anyone in the game at present who should be mentioned in the PARAGRAPH as Dr. King or Malcom... I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. The way these fools glorify the "gangsta" and "pimp" mentality has always thrown me and I don't buy into the "I'm just keeping it real" excuse either. The only reason I see that these gangsta wannabees exploit and tom themselves is money. They want to get paid. The sad part is that there are people who are willing to pay money to hear these rappers spout this garbage. These idiots could care less about the ramifications of their actions and how it perpetuates negative stereotypes. They have no shame because the dollar is the bottom line. Screw 'em. Al Jolson, Stepin Fetchit, and Mr. Bojangles had fans too. Sad to say but it looks like we've come full circle. These talentless morons are one step away from blackface and I'd be willing to bet money that one of them'd perform in blackface if you paid them enough. That's how sad rap is nowadays. [Edited 3/1/05 21:10pm] "I ordered no broth! Away with ye lest my cane find your backside!!"- Ralph Wiggum, Actor. | |
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I'm tired of the fake gangsta wannabe's in hip hop, it's like every week
there's a new troll hollerin about his guns,money,bitches. The best MC'S have that unique ability to make you feel they're lyrics, painting a full picture. 50 cent and cats of his Ilk are garbage to us serious hip hop heads, they ain't sayin nothing I haven't heard a thousand times before. I'm only 25 but I know about the funk and I always tell the cats my age that I only listen to rap for the lyrics cause to me these producers break no new ground from a music standpoint. If I want to hear a banging beat I'll throw on a Parliment Funkadelic/Rick James/Gap Band/Chic etc..... beat! | |
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word to herd (meaning all them 'thugs' and 'gangstas' out there):
act like you have some knowledge of yourself and some responsibility to the future posture your mandables towards the sky
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0V3RF13ND said: word to herd (meaning all them 'thugs' and 'gangstas' out there):
act like you have some knowledge of yourself and some responsibility to the future Can't happen. For they have no knowledge of anything none the less knowledge of themselves. Thugs and gangstas have no clue what responsiblity means. | |
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