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Reply #30 posted 02/25/05 2:17pm

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MattyJam said:

The title track is probably one of her finest moments to date.

A true gothic masterpiece.

Martha's Foolish Ginger, Mary's Of The Sea, Parasol and Orange Knickers are all brilliant too.

The only tracks I'm not feeling are Witness and Ribbons Undone. Choirgirl Tori would've bitch-slapped the woman singing Ribbons Undone.


Very true.

And Witness would have been a much better track if the beginning and end were cut. That middle section is pretty hot.
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Reply #31 posted 02/25/05 2:17pm

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Cloudbuster said:

I wish she'd sing straight. Her vocals are starting to become as mannered as Bjork's are. The way she contorts her vowels is starting to get quite irritating. There's a few decent tracks on The Beekeeper but it's mostly quite tame and lifeless. I appreciate the argument that she's in a different head space these days but that shouldn't mean that the passion has to die. A shame, I was really looking forward to this album. It's not a bad record but the spark has definately gone. sad



That's pretty much how I feel.
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Reply #32 posted 02/25/05 2:19pm

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HamsterHuey said:

Cloudbuster said:

the spark has definately gone.


6:58 are you sure where my spark is
here
here
here


In my opinion, her best song ever.
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Reply #33 posted 02/25/05 2:23pm

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And she's always sung with mannered vocals.

She's Icelandic. How is she supposed to sing? doh!


Like she's human. wink
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Reply #34 posted 02/25/05 2:55pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

heartbeatocean said:

The Beekeeper kicks ass. I love it. Especially the new groovy sound ala Sweet the Sting and Hoochie Woman, Cars and Guitars. it kicks ass, kicks ass, kicks ass.



Really? confuse


I'm like listening to it all day at work and then I come home and the songs go through my head and day after day like this and then my heart yawns opening and I feel like I'm falling in love. It's the music doing to me, the feeling inside it.

But I'm not a music critic. I just go with the flow.
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Reply #35 posted 02/25/05 6:18pm

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heartbeatocean said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




Really? confuse


I'm like listening to it all day at work and then I come home and the songs go through my head and day after day like this and then my heart yawns opening and I feel like I'm falling in love. It's the music doing to me, the feeling inside it.

But I'm not a music critic. I just go with the flow.
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I see. eek
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Reply #36 posted 02/25/05 7:48pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

Cloudbuster said:

I wish she'd sing straight. Her vocals are starting to become as mannered as Bjork's are. The way she contorts her vowels is starting to get quite irritating. There's a few decent tracks on The Beekeeper but it's mostly quite tame and lifeless. I appreciate the argument that she's in a different head space these days but that shouldn't mean that the passion has to die. A shame, I was really looking forward to this album. It's not a bad record but the spark has definately gone. sad



That's pretty much how I feel.



No!! You're both wrong!!!! It's a brilliant album!!!!

Seriously. I know these things wink



Ah well. At least you don't hate it, that's a good thing. Maybe it will grow on you some. For some reason, it really connects with me in a way that Scarlet's Walk didn't (although I like it).
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Reply #37 posted 02/25/05 7:54pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

SassyBritches said:


there's a lot of scarlet's walk sounds in there, i agree. there's also a lot of pele sounds and under the pink sounds. its an amalgamation of all her sounds. there's also some stuff that she's not really done before or only ventured into slightly; hoochie woman, witness, sweet the sting, and jamaica inn are all different directions.

well, at least you've finally heard it and you can rip the songs that you do like and toss the disc aside. i actually like it more than strange little girls, little earthquakes and choirgirl. i haven't decided for sure if i like it more than scarlet's walk though.


I do like the album more than I dislike it. I just wish it had a few more kicks.

My order of her albums goes as follows:

From The Choirgirl Hotel
Under The Pink
To Venus and Back
Little Earthquakes
Scarlets Walk
The Beekeeper
Boys For Pele
Strange Little Girls




you like The Beekeeper better than Boys for Pele?
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Reply #38 posted 02/25/05 7:57pm

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Cloudbuster said:



I consider The Sensual World to be a great album.


mmmmm yes it is. nod It makes me feel all girly. giggle
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Reply #39 posted 02/25/05 7:58pm

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Like she's human. wink

Maybe she's not. omg
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Reply #40 posted 02/25/05 9:41pm

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JonSnow said:


No!! You're both wrong!!!! It's a brilliant album!!!!

Seriously. I know these things wink



Ah well. At least you don't hate it, that's a good thing. Maybe it will grow on you some. For some reason, it really connects with me in a way that Scarlet's Walk didn't (although I like it).


No, I don't hate it at all. I'm just not really excited by anything on it. I do play the shit out of Mary's of the Sea though. For some reason I'm really diggin that track. But I can dig on Parasol, Sweet the Sting, Witness, Original Sinsuality, and The Beekeeper.

It's not a bad album, just a bit flat.
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Reply #41 posted 02/25/05 9:43pm

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you like The Beekeeper better than Boys for Pele?


I know most Tori fans will think I'm nuts for that, but I've just never been able to get into Pele. I think it's too tame.
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Reply #42 posted 02/26/05 2:40am

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Pele tame?

I can't think of a word that less describes tracks like Blood Roses, Professional Widow, Muhammad My Friend and Horses.

One thing I will say about The Beekeeper is that her label will be fools not to take advantage of some of her most commercial work in years. Sweet The Sting is probably the most commercially viable track she's ever made. Cars & Guitars and Orange Knickers also have chart potential.

It'd be wonderful to see Tori have a hit. Not because I care about charts or anything, but it'd be nice not to have to explain who Tori Amos is to most people who ask me what music I like.
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Reply #43 posted 02/26/05 3:52am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

HamsterHuey said:



6:58 are you sure where my spark is
here
here
here


In my opinion, her best song ever.



from her best album ever! woot!

although, Pele is just as good.
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Reply #44 posted 02/26/05 6:41am

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you like The Beekeeper better than Boys for Pele?


I know most Tori fans will think I'm nuts for that, but I've just never been able to get into Pele. I think it's too tame.[/quote]
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Reply #45 posted 02/26/05 6:51am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

My order of her albums goes as follows:

From The Choirgirl Hotel
Under The Pink
To Venus and Back
Little Earthquakes
Scarlets Walk
The Beekeeper
Boys For Pele
Strange Little Girls


I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.
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Reply #46 posted 02/26/05 6:54am

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Cloudbuster said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

My order of her albums goes as follows:

From The Choirgirl Hotel
Under The Pink
To Venus and Back
Little Earthquakes
Scarlets Walk
The Beekeeper
Boys For Pele
Strange Little Girls


I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.

i think you really need to have your heart trampled on to truly appreciate it.
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Reply #47 posted 02/26/05 6:55am

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Pele tame?

I can't think of a word that less describes tracks like Blood Roses, Professional Widow, Muhammad My Friend and Horses.

One thing I will say about The Beekeeper is that her label will be fools not to take advantage of some of her most commercial work in years. Sweet The Sting is probably the most commercially viable track she's ever made. Cars & Guitars and Orange Knickers also have chart potential.

It'd be wonderful to see Tori have a hit. Not because I care about charts or anything, but it'd be nice not to have to explain who Tori Amos is to most people who ask me what music I like.

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quite a few possible chart climbers
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Reply #48 posted 02/26/05 6:56am

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Cloudbuster said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

My order of her albums goes as follows:

From The Choirgirl Hotel
Under The Pink
To Venus and Back
Little Earthquakes
Scarlets Walk
The Beekeeper
Boys For Pele
Strange Little Girls


I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.


same here. "Boys For Pele" is her moment of absolute glory. It took me a
very long time to 'crack' it as well but once the pieces fell into place
it revealed itself to be one of the best albums ever recorded.

having said that, I still prefer "Choirgirl", but not because it is the
better album (Pele is probably slightly better) but simply because it's
been a great solace to me back when it was released.
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Reply #49 posted 02/26/05 7:21am

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CrystalTits said:

having said that, I still prefer "Choirgirl", but not because it is the
better album (Pele is probably slightly better) but simply because it's
been a great solace to me back when it was released.


Yeah, I think Choirgirl is a great album, too. And that one also took me a long while to fully appreciate.
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Reply #50 posted 02/26/05 7:22am

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SassyBritches said:

Cloudbuster said:

I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.


i think you really need to have your heart trampled on to truly appreciate it.


Something like that. nod
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Reply #51 posted 02/26/05 7:45am

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Cloudbuster said:

CrystalTits said:

having said that, I still prefer "Choirgirl", but not because it is the
better album (Pele is probably slightly better) but simply because it's
been a great solace to me back when it was released.


Yeah, I think Choirgirl is a great album, too. And that one also took me a long while to fully appreciate.

believe it or not i only recently started to fully appreciate that record. choirgirl has always been my least favorite tori record (and a huuge disappoint for me when it came out) but within the last year it has begun to sink in.
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Reply #52 posted 02/26/05 7:48am

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SassyBritches said:

Cloudbuster said:

Yeah, I think Choirgirl is a great album, too. And that one also took me a long while to fully appreciate.


believe it or not i only recently started to fully appreciate that record. choirgirl has always been my least favorite tori record (and a huuge disappoint for me when it came out) but within the last year it has begun to sink in.


I hated it for years. lol There's still a couple of tracks I don't much care for but it's the last album of hers I really like. I hope the releases that followed it will grow on me in time, too.
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Reply #53 posted 02/26/05 7:55am

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Cloudbuster said:

SassyBritches said:



believe it or not i only recently started to fully appreciate that record. choirgirl has always been my least favorite tori record (and a huuge disappoint for me when it came out) but within the last year it has begun to sink in.


I hated it for years. lol There's still a couple of tracks I don't much care for but it's the last album of hers I really like. I hope the releases that followed it will grow on me in time, too.

you know, i think the beekeeper definitely has that potential. when i bought it on tuesday i only liked about 12 or 14 of the 19 tracks, some of which i was only so so about. now i'm loving the entire cd and i'm noticing little quirks in many of the songs that have been missing from her more recent work.
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Reply #54 posted 02/26/05 7:57am

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Pele tame?

As much as I appreciate the moodiness of the album, it puts me to sleep.

I can't think of a word that less describes tracks like Blood Roses, Professional Widow, Muhammad My Friend and Horses.

They're not bad tracks, and I love Blood Roses, but still.

One thing I will say about The Beekeeper is that her label will be fools not to take advantage of some of her most commercial work in years. Sweet The Sting is probably the most commercially viable track she's ever made. Cars & Guitars and Orange Knickers also have chart potential.

Ugh! Orange Knickers gets the skip button right away. That's a very annoying track.

It'd be wonderful to see Tori have a hit. Not because I care about charts or anything, but it'd be nice not to have to explain who Tori Amos is to most people who ask me what music I like.

I don't see a commercial hit on this album at all, especially not Sleeps With Butterflies.

"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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Reply #55 posted 02/26/05 8:00am

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Cloudbuster said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

My order of her albums goes as follows:

From The Choirgirl Hotel
Under The Pink
To Venus and Back
Little Earthquakes
Scarlets Walk
The Beekeeper
Boys For Pele
Strange Little Girls


I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.


If it hasn't grown on me by now, it won't ever. I know that for a fact. I played it last night to see if I could get into it and it made me sleepy. It's not a bad album, I just can't get into it.
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Reply #56 posted 02/26/05 8:01am

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SassyBritches said:

Cloudbuster said:



I hope that album grows on you with age. It took me about seven years to "get", but I consider it her masterpiece. I doubt she'll ever top it.

i think you really need to have your heart trampled on to truly appreciate it.


Nah, you just need to have a different taste in music.
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Reply #57 posted 02/26/05 8:03am

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SassyBritches said:


nod

quite a few possible chart climbers


Tori really isn't a big commercial artist. And I don't see any big hits coming from this album at all. I think the album will sell about as much as Scarlets Walk. Maybe a bit less.
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Reply #58 posted 02/26/05 8:05am

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SassyBritches said:

Cloudbuster said:



I hated it for years. lol There's still a couple of tracks I don't much care for but it's the last album of hers I really like. I hope the releases that followed it will grow on me in time, too.

you know, i think the beekeeper definitely has that potential. when i bought it on tuesday i only liked about 12 or 14 of the 19 tracks, some of which i was only so so about. now i'm loving the entire cd and i'm noticing little quirks in many of the songs that have been missing from her more recent work.


I think I'm up to about 5 or 6 track that I like.
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Reply #59 posted 02/26/05 8:16am

SassyBritches

EvilWhiteMale said:

SassyBritches said:


nod

quite a few possible chart climbers


Tori really isn't a big commercial artist. And I don't see any big hits coming from this album at all. I think the album will sell about as much as Scarlets Walk. Maybe a bit less.

she's definitely past her commercial peak. i don't think she'll be selling out arenas anytime soon, the way she did with choirgirl. notwithstanding, there are some catchy, even pop sounding, songs on the record. if norah jones can have success and josh groban can be a commercial success (though i'll never know why) i think some of these songs have potential. on top 40? no. adult contemporary, however, may have a place for her on their playlists. a sorta fairytale was a huge hit for her so i don't see why it couldn't happen here.
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