There is this show on MTV2 called Control Freak and what they do is they put up 3 music videos against each other and then you vote on which song you want to see next by going to mtv2.com then they show the winning video and in the corner of the screen they show you 3 more videos to vote on....anyways on every single vote a rock song beat a hip hop song and i dont mean just beat i mean killed! : there was this one voting session where The Game got ZERO PERFCENT and thats after almost 4 minutes of voting its great all my favorite songs are winning! even Eminem got smashed by Mars Volta! i guess later on they got tired of a rap song losing so they took out 1 of the choices and put 2 rap songs head to head
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hip hop died sometime after 1998..


not awake n trynna type simple shit edit
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TheRealFiness said:

never cared for hop hop myself

how do you define hip hop ??? i am not sure ...

in my opinion ... it is kinda rap ... or is it ???

hip hop in general involves using old songs ... and making a new creation ??? i am asking ... caus that is what i get outta it ...

most of the time --- i admit ... i feel old ... cause when i hear the new creation ... i am like ... ewwwww

Hip-Hop, as it is commonly known, is dying because of its monotony, its worship of materialism, etc. To paraphrase Steve Harvey, no one wants to pay good money for albums or concerts or DVDs where somebody is threatening them or rubbing his success in their face all the time. It ceased being message music and became "me" music.

Hip-Hop, as an art form, is being quietly tended to by many of the artists who came to prominence in the late 1980's-early 1990's, like De La Soul, Common, The Roots, MF Doom, Kamaal The Abstract/Q-Tip, and so many others. They may not sell a lot of product, but they're making good stuff. Even some artists who are commercially successful, like Jay-Z and OutKast, are making classic or near-classic records. In short, the grownups will make sure the art form doesn't die when the public moves on.

Mainstream hip-hop is great club music, but that doesn't make it great music. Sooner or later, the phenomenon will burn out and the public will move on.

BlaqueKnight said:

i think they are talking about the dominance of hip-hop on our culture.... not the actual genre...

Big-time money rap is hopefully losing a little steam; it's wack anyway.

Long live Stones Throw!

BlaqueKnight said:

Completely agree.....if ya'll remember when Metal ruled Mtv....its a cycle...

Except I sorta think metal was a fad

BlaqueKnight said:

AMEN.

BlaqueKnight said:

no way..Hair-metal during the 80's was loathed...Disco was loathed.....the teenwave of both the 80's and 00's was loathed...


like rhonda said, its cyclical....

CinisterCee said:

Co-sign.

CinisterCee said:

Hip-hop is the reason you were able to use "wack" in a sentence the way you just did. If hip-hop is wack, so is every other genre of music. If you judge a whole genre of music by its weakest links, then they are all wack and we should start legislation to do away with all music. As a matter of fact, let's stop teaching it in schools and cut funding to arts programs...oh wait, that's already happening.

BlaqueKnight said:

umm..he isnt...Stones Throw *is* a hip-hip artist..are you okay today?

We all just need to chill out here and look at what this thread was based on.

Mazerati said:

All this says is that a much-hyped/mediocre artist is getting out-voted on an MTV2 program.
Is this any indication that hip hop itself is dying?

I submit no.

sosgemini said:

I thought Stone's Throw was a label.

Hip-hop culture RULES THE WORLD. Rap music SUCKS.

sosgemini said:

Oh, we're playing posting games today, are we?

namepeace said:

I agree 100%. I'm only 24, but I would pick the original hip-hop over this current, over-commercialized one. It's fun to dance to at the club, but nothing I would buy at the store, and from the lyrics I hear and videos I see from the current hip-hop crop, they don't need my few little dollars anyway, since they seem to be bankin' in the videos with their Benzs on 24s and $100,000 pendants and pinkie rings. Every music in history has had to struggle to be accepted. Everyone from Elvis to Motown to The Beatles to disco to Prince and Madonna in the 80's has been passed off as a fad at some point in time. I don't believe any music is a fad. It just loses popularity for a while, but people still remember the songs and sometimes the artists who sing them. I still remember many songs from heavy metal, 80's hair bands and they've been gone for years. Whose to say that they won't be popular again someday?

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I don't get what you're saying, BlaqueKnight. I love hiphop but most of the rap artists I love today can't even get their videos played (that's if they have videos ). This thread is more about MTV being the indicator of what's popular and rap on MTV becoming less popular. By the way, if rap on MTV ever helped me learn the word "wack", it was over fifteen years ago. Thanks, Fab 5 Freddy!

BlaqueKnight said:

not at all....you've just been misunderstanding peoples statements...

Whatever, I've said my peace on this topic. Made my point, now I'm out.
Peace.






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BlaqueKnight said:

I can think of one... and it didn't last as long as HipHop... but the backlash was because of it's acceptance as a gay form of music. Disco!! but it went undergroud and has come back as Dance... which still isn't very popular in America. but it's still around

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BlaqueKnight said:

Very true. Unfortunately, it's not.




I've been sick of it for 15 years. When the pop audience got into it, that's when it really started sounding horrible. There was some midtempo hip hop that I couldn't stand in the late 1980s but at least it was underground.



I don't see it slacking off anytime soon. Clear Channel will make sure it continues to dominate the airwaves so they can line their pockets with money.

There's nothing danceable about mainstream hip hop, it's too slow for the dance floor unless you're wanting to swat flies. Songs like "Planet Rock" and "Egypt, Egypt" were dancefloor type hip hop.

The only music suitable for the dancefloor nowadays is house music and now that techno has practically taken it over, it's all starting to sound repetitive.

There was resistance to it in the beginning but it broke through and it has dominated the mainstream longer than any other form of black music. My problem with it is because it completely dominates R&B. Hip hop is the only thing on R&B radio right now and it's rediculous. We've been long overdue for a change in music and it's not coming anytime soon.

These are the dullest musical days I have ever seen in my life.

Exactly! Disco lived a very short life span in the mainstream. A lot of people hated it because they considered it as a gay form of music. They were also pissed to see their rockers making disco records too. Rock artists were getting less and less airplay. Disco dominated the radio in the late 1970s just like hip hop has in the 1990s and today. Someone needs to start a hip hop backlash because the same thing is going on with it. Funk and R&B artists that do not have a hip hop sound are getting absolutely no airplay. It was a radio DJ that started the disco backlash. Someone like Howard Stern or Tom Joyner needs to start a backlash today.

The crazy thing about it all is disco was actually real music with real singers and it was so hated. Hip hop is samples and "talking" and it is loved. Something's wrong with this picture.

i doubt hip hop will ever die. it's just tastes shift and maybe today was the day where viewers were feeling the rock tracks.