namepeace said:

I think I understood things wrong.....

come on now people... not even all black people want a "ghetto" pass why are we street obessed

namepeace said:

Remy Shand? U cannot be serious. Everyone that tries to sing r&b is NOT deserving of a black pass.

Aren't black people more than just a brand of music? Every damn singer gets a black pass?


Damn. Here i was thinking i was bigger than the entertainment industry.

cinnamonjo said:

I listed less than 10 people and you imply I put everybody down. Even some cats I like I didn't put down.

Remy can play. Don't hate. Damn.
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namepeace said:

I dont hate, i tell the truth.
Obviously i didnt have a prob. w/ 99% of the people on your list-- but REMY SHAND?
When u actually make it to Remy Shand, that is everybody.
We weren't talking of everyone that can play, we were talking of people that get a "black pass"-- Remy missed that boat.

abierman said:

No problemo. I went off on a tangent myself.

As to the actual question, EVERYBODY wants a ghetto pass. It's fashionable to fit the hip-hop stereotype. But when it becomes unfashionable, the tables will turn. When hip-hop heads like myself get tired of seeing what's being played on radio and TV, the general public definitely will.

I saw Race-O-Rama last night. The book reads better than it plays on TV. You just can't talk issues of sex and race in the style of "I Love the 80's." The satire gets muddled. I don't think it was as bad as people are saying it was, but it was definitely carried off wrong.

But here's what got me. The announcer was none other than Professor X, the leader of the now-defunct X-Clan and Blackwatch crews.

namepeace said:

I was reading an issue of "Blender" with Janet on the cover and the story did say that manye people got upset with Justin and that he did offically lose his "ghetto pass" after that. I don't think he would have kept it anway...doing stupid "Einstein" and dating Cameron Diaz, the whitest latino/Native American/whatever she claims she is woman ever! That being said, I can understand why people find the term "ghetto pass" offensive.

dancerella said:

posers....esp. Justin

VinnyM27 said:

The term sounds offensive, but it is used a lot within the black community to refer to black people. But the term "pass" or "black pass" has also been used, and they have less negative connotations.

BTW, I lost a lot of respect for Justin after Janetbowl. He had gained a lot of acceptance for the quality of his work up until that point (heck, even before that, when N'Sync was getting on black radio on the QT). But you can't build a black audience when you sell out one of its biggest stars. People can disagree, but he shoulda accepted more of the heat for that.

namepeace said:

The irony is of course that if the black community really wanted to stand behind Janet, woudln't the album have been a bigger hit? I think the fact that the singles tanked on pop radio, which is 80 percent African American artists doing nearly the same kind of music that obiviously means that while the music is black, the programmers (and listeners) probably aren't!

VinnyM27 said:

Good points. I would only ask it to be remembered that Janet's been famous for a long time. The fact her last album sold 376 copies doesn't mean the black community doesn't support her overall. If Justin had sold out Chaka Khan like that, they'd have been just as mad, and Chaka hasn't sold many albums in the last 15 years (or has she? just using her as an example).

You make a good point about radio programmers. Most of the big stations preselect their spins via computer these days, don't they? I heard a black radio station owner say one time that if the song wasn't on the computerized list, it didn't get played.

The fact her last album sold 376 copies

Maybe I'm just overly anti-Janet...but that is funny....

dancerella said:

I saw about 3 minutes of this garbage and turned away in disgust.

roodboi said:

367 million? or thousand?...it can't be thousand right?

namepeace said:

I'm not sure if 97.9, a very popular R&B/hip hop station is black owned or not, but even though they are Clear Channel, their setlist is a lot better and more diverse than pop radio. They play Amel's "For Real" a surprising amount of times. I don't even listen to that station or radio that often, but they got it right. They also spinned Janet a few times, so I could be wrong about Janet not getting African American support, but if she had more, I think the album would have, could have and should have been a bigger hit.

VanitySixx said:

I'm pretty sure DJ sold something like 300+ in it's first week, but did sink like a stone. Overall, it sold maybe around a million here.

cinnamonjo said:

For Real Tho. Some of the shit in the show was off the hook.While some of the humourous shit in the show actually the show actually held some merit and made some valid points.

VinnyM27 said:

I was kidding.

I got it Namepeace...and that sh*t was funny....

cinnamonjo said:

To me,Remy Shand's debut CD sounds more "soulful" than most of the crap that passes for R&B these days! He has a true understanding of black music....genuine soul music,not the watered-down,plastic stuff that routinely tops the charts.He's more deserving of a "black pass" than many of the black artists who are supposedly doing R&B these days (R.Kelly,Usher,etc).



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Hotlegs said:

HOTLEGS!
Where yo hot ass been?

cinnamonjo said:

Chillin

All I have to say is thank you god for PBS, this is the ONLY TV network nowadays that doesn't exploit black people(or any people for that matter) IMHO.

Harlepolis said:

No wonder PBS is being accused of being too liberal!

VinnyM27 said:

HBO is the best network for original programming.

namepeace said:

Too liberal as well...see!

namepeace said:

Did you see the new Malcolm X documentarty called "Make it plain" from PBS?

NP, this here ain't no fluff,,,,,they won me over when they made that "{i}Jazz{/i}" movie and put the icing on the cake when they aired the slavery series recently.

And they don't give a damn about the word "surface" either.

I love PBS!

Harlepolis said:

"Make it Plain" was done a few years ago, and I saw it for the 2d time this week. They had a special on the Harlem Globetrotters last night. Make no mistake, PBS is good at documentaries about black folk. At the same time, HBO is good for producing a steady stream of original programming showcasing talented black actors. Lackawanna Blues is only the latest example.

If UPN or WB were smart they'd partner with HBO to produce network programming.

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