He is gonna do things that Prince can't do. Which is bring awareness to a MASSIVE level of creative musical artists in the competitive mainstream. Making alot of artists step their game up.
I read this hating thread but seriously you cats "DONT" get it. It's not about liking his music it's about what he is gonna do for the music community at large. Put it this way he signed Sa-Ra Creative Partners. If you know anything about Sa-Ra they have a creative funky alt. edge that NO one has but them.


As time goes by Kanye is going to build his roster and be like the creative P-Diddy. He has common and Sa Ra signed. Hello? Prince loves Common. He was there for the Electric Circus listening. And you can be damn sure he is gonna admire Kanye Wests steelo.


As far as arrogance, does this include the butt out pants episode? Or the Microphone gun rappping, a terrible synced Pussy control on tv with slave on his face,
Does it include chain hats,Typhoon hair wigs,Bad spinal stage props,
dancing with handkerchief like James ad nauseam

Because if it does, man he is arrogant who does he think he is.

Oh thats right, a entertainer/producer/Ceo that is on the rise.

It doesnt matter if you like Kanye West's music, you are not seeing the bigger picture,Ladies N Gents.
Its bigger than you or me.

It's opening doors for other artists. Plain and simple.

Kanye's label is gonna inspire/motivate alot future artists. Just watch....

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread has been brought to you by Kanye West. We now return to your regularly scheduled program.

Did Prince go around telling magazines that he will no longer pose for their covers without being paid a fee?

By the way, I can't believe we're comparing Prince to someone that's famous for speeding up Through the Fire; I did that with all of my mother's records when I was little, too. Should I get a Grammy for the remix I did of Bennie and the Jets?

clarification edit
[Edited 2/21/05 21:47pm]

Actually Ripher2shreds Im not a fan of his work per se.
(nice try tho..) Someone broke this down to me in the producer circle and I realized how good and beneficial he was for the industry. After he told me a few things happening and how he is shifting things

Axchie, are you serious? Prince has said far more arrogant things than Kanye. Many times in print.
Prince wrote slave on his face and pouted for cameras because WB wouldnt let him release 10 records a year. I think thats a bit much looking back on it.
But we are all human.

We are comparing Kanye on a business level. Not a musical level...
So dont try to twist that because it aint gonna work.

Im telling you...Kanye putting SA-RA creative partners out is gonna open doors. But like I said before, kids do not get it. Artists do and they see the bigger picture. That is the KEY People can flame all they want but at the end of the day Kanye is going to help shift music in a direction for musicians and artists.




Of course this is going to be a flame worthy post. But don't be surprised if you see Prince giving props to Kanye for his work on the new Common record.


There was a time when I was like sort of like the hardcore dissers. But I realize what West is doing is smarter than your average artist. And now I think he is gonna help shift things. When you get to be on Charlie Rose and talk about Hip Hop, this is important time in it's culture.

I wonder what the next Kayne album is gonna be about World peace?????

No, it’s gonna be about how didn’t win enough grammy's, or the best new artist, how everyone thinks he’s crazy, some Michael Jackson quips, the new knapsack he just bought…basically everything that happened after the college dropout was released.

I thought the college dropout was dope, but kayne is outta his fucking mind and on his way to a hip-hop nervous breakdown. P was always tight with his shit, even when he fell of stage at the James Brown concert

Prince is always in control. Kayne is seeing headlights and he's not even that big yet. Is he really that pious?

Kanye West? I'm indifferent.

Trickology said:

"an entertainer/producer/Ceo that is on the rise"


It's telling that you don't use the term "artist" to describe Kanye.Could it be because "sampling" and speeding up old Chaka Khan records is not really "art"?

Trickology said:

Hey, I didn't know Kanye had time to visit prince.org! Tell us Kanye, what is it like conversing with "the little people"?

Trickology said:

We sure do.

BlueNote

Trickology said:

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We do get the big picture. He is a no-talent bum. He can't compete with P on a creative level and his has just started his business venture so you can't compare him to P on that level yet.

I am pretty sure Kayne is collecting his pennies on each CD and Prince is collecting a few $ on each CD. When Kayne can pull the wool over the eyes of the greedy music industry he will be on P's. level.

People clown Kayne because he acts like a clown.

Trickology said:

Are you saying that Prince hasn't brought such awareness in the last 2 decades?

Wendy and Lisa?

Sheila E.?

The Time?

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?

What about the scores of artists influenced by his sound: Lenny Kravitz, TTD, Van Hunt, D'Angelo, Maxwell, Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Janet Jackson, and so many, many others?

Trickology, all due respect:

1. Prince has been doing exactly what you claim Kanye WILL do, and he's been doing it for over 2 decades. Now he's not the Alpha and Omega of rock music, but he is arguably the most influential artist of the last 20 years. Kanye isn't even close to him on that tip. P has influenced more HIP-HOP artists than Kanye has, or maybe ever will.

2. Kanye isn't even the Alpha or Omega of hip-hop. De La Soul, The Jungle Brothers, ATCQ, Common, Black Star, heck, even the Fugees, have blazed the trail he's on right now. Were it not for these artists there would BE no Kanye West. Can you really make an argument that Kanye is the most influential hip-hop artist of the last 20 years? Of course not. But you can make that argument for Prince as to popular music.

3. Kanye is definitely on his way to being a legend, but time will tell whether he will have the influence you claim.




I'll take ur word for this new act, but let's be clear, acts like the Roots, Digable Planets, ATCQ, and so many others have been on the alt-tip. Ain't nothin new under the hip-hop sun.



No one will doubt you as of yet. P and Common on stage together is one of my favorite P photos of all time.

But I dunno what P thinks of Kanye. Not that it really matters.




Do we judge P on his appearance and arrogance now?



I don't doubt Kanye can have some influence. Time will tell whether he can sustain the considerable artistic and commercial momentum he has, which is rare in hip-hop. But we're talking mostly potential. Let's see what he does before we put him in P's class as a seminal influence. He can't even claim to be a seminal influence in hip-hop yet.
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Trickology said:

As an artist...
I can Easily Say that Kanye is just another Slave who'll turn Coorporate Lackey Just like Good Ole P-diddy (sell out #1)

I don't like Kanye, not his music, personality,
10 years ago, i heard the same rant about Puff Daddy, and diddy still doesn't do anything but exploit his own artist.

What you don't understand is Labels arent the answer to Artist Liberation...
Kanye starts his own Lable, but that WIll still be a sanction of another label which leads up to cooperate america...

West Inked under Sony for His label
and Sony well their like the most money hungry coop in the industry.
I doubt West will do anything for the music community but bring more wasted talent, to be exploited

Kanye wan'ts a label because he'll be a triple threat, a Producer,a Rapper and A Ceo, Thus
MO MONEY
MO MONEY
MO MONEY
its not about music
don't be fooled it never is!

When Kanye Decides that he wan'ts to MAKE AN INDEPENDENT Label, and he's paying his artist reasonable portions instead of half, than maybe he'll do something for the Music Community...

Don't Dare saying kanye is doing something Prince couldn't have done...
Please
kiss my ass

Prince was one of the first who spat at Labels and created his own label with no Help from cooperates
his lable is blacklisted from the RIAA, because the industry knows that if artist start making thier own labels,
Cooperate labels like Sony And BMG won't be needed anymore
this will lead to the collapse of the music industry
A Musical Armageddon...
Artist are still very dependent on labels, but with the internet, that is changing rapidly

Kanye isn't doing anything different than what puff did, what Usher is doing with LaFace(usher said also that his label would help the music community, my ass)

You can like Kanye West as a Rapper
As a Producer,
think that dribble he pumps out is innovative...

whatever you want to think

But Kanye West does not care about artist like me,
He only cares about M O N E Y

"If you show me the cash
Then I will take it
If you tell me to cry
Then I will fake it
If you give me a hand
Then I will shake it

You'll do anything for money..."

Prince Cares about money too, but ...
he knows better now...
The War Will go on...
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Are we seriously talking about the guy who turned Chaka Khan into a chimpmunk? Reallly?

VinnyM27 said:

yah he butchured that song

Trickology said:

Hey Trick,

I never get into these kind of things because they usually cancel themselves out. But you seem very much like the chick that hates the other woman 'cause of what your man did.

I'm just curious: If your beef is with "Cats that dis Kanye" why is the vent towards Prince? And why do you guys even dignify?

I sure hope you're not the Kanye PR department...or one of his i-marketers cause if you are, this is not the way to promote your guy. You're making him look bad. And he seems a nice enough guy. ( Nicer before your post.)

Perhaps your cause is noble but you need a new approach. Study Don King. Learn which fight is the good fight.

I would say now go and fatten your guy up but then I'd be like everyone else so I won't say it. Strike that last remark. Especially since it's not fair to Kanye. But mainly because I really like that Boost Mobile commercial. Can't get that damn thing outta my head.

anon said:

Well, anon (welcome, assuming u are a new orger), I assume Trickology is a younger orger for whom Kanye is a voice. I was hoping to add a little perspective. It is an opinion forum, after all.

I dig Kanye's stuff quite a bit, but he's got a long way to go before he even merits favorable comparisons to the greats in hip-hop, much less the greats in pop music. See: Lauryn Hill.

Trickology said:

honestly, i don't think dislike of Kanye has anything to do with being a fan of Prince. at least that's not something i've picked up.


but.... "things that Prince can't do"...? i'm not sure what you mean. Prince did it 20 years ago. your point is lost on me if there even is one...

namepeace said:

Thanx


Ok then...you can have an opinion (it's actually on point.)
But why does that Trick guy have to have one?

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namepeace said:

hey, it's a free org, (i suppose) . . .

I don't see any reason to discuss Kanye on the same page with Prince because there is no comparison. I don't recall Prince ever publicly getting pissed because he didn't win all of the awards he (and we) thought he should or making anything like that last little silly speech Kanye made at the Grammys, but what I really fault him for is taking one of my favorite Chaka Khan songs and doing such a disservice to it! Beyond that, I don't have much to say about him.

NewPowerSista said:

Not to mention he butchured A House is not a Home, By Luther Vandross

the Guy is a Blasphemer

Not even p-diddy would dare touch those jamz...
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Trickology said:

I'm not gonna hate on you but Kanye is so, um "meh". Who cares.

NewPowerSista said:

I wanted to say the same thing, but Prince did bitch to Rolling Stone about not winning Album of the Year for Sign 'o' the Times.

He can still play the cocky rocker. "I don't go to awards shows anymore," he says. "I'm not saying I'm better than anybody else. But you'll be sitting there at the Grammys, and U2 will beat you. And you say to yourself, 'Wait a minute. I can play that kind of music, too. I played La Crosse [Wisconsin] growing up, I know how to do that, you dig? But you will not do 'Housequake.'"


Whether you agree with his point or not is irrelevant ( Personally, I don't. I think it's just sour grapes), but Prince did his fair share of bitching. Of course, he never did it in an acceptance speech, and obviously he had way more talent to back up his boasts.

The Kanye thing will pass, believe me. He's a spoiled brat who's having his moment in the sun; re-using old songs in his style might be hot now, but I really doubt he's going to be looked at that fondly in the years to come.

Axchi696 said:

Prince has done alot of stupid things
And i mean alot!
Rave for thing was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life,
and it showed how P could really well...
Sell Out
He sold out and he got burned,

Clive Davis made him the ever present "Golden Parachute"
P shot back at him with the Song Golden Parachute
But either way, P sold out

The difference is, Kanye was a Sell Out from the beginning
ANY Artist who's captive by their label is a Slave
and ANY artist who handles the Dirty Work for the Label
Is a Sell Out

Plain as Rain

Axchi696 said:

Good and fair points all. The thing with Kanye is that he's built this image of being able to keep fame and fortune in its proper perspective, and turns around and throws a hissy fit when he doesn't win, It makes him look worse.



I think Kanye will be around a while, say, 5-10 years. That time to us is like 50 hip-hop years, unless you are killed. Because "dead rappers get better promotion."