I´ve once heard Flo Anthony say that Lisa Marie hated Karen. She couldn´t stand their relationship. And when he was in hospital after colapsing for that HBO special concert whre he was supposed to perform with Marcel Marcau that Lisa wasn´t allowed to see him, doctors told her, he needed rest, but Karen was there everyday. That´s what Flo said. So I don´t know how much she knows.

While we're on the topic of MJ and women, this is a guy who was immensely relieved somewhere in his teen years when a girl whom his mother set him up with didn't get to kiss him, covered his face when Tatum O' Neal made sexual advances towards him, practically threw away potential relationships with Brooke Shields and Tatiana Thumbtzen, used Lisa Marie Presley for publicity (come on, it was totally obvious-- just read her 2003 Rolling Stone interview and if you don't feel like it simply piece together image-tainting events that occured in his life and the convenient timings in which he did something "out of love" for her subsequent, i.e. marrying her a meager and precise four months after settling out of court for the '93 allegations, granting the Diane Sawyer a day before the release of "HIStory", getting her naked for a music video after being handed outcries of Anti-Semitism and faltering sales for that same album, and someone already mentioned that the MTV Awards kiss was planned by Michael's manager), and more than likely had artificial kids with Debbie Rowe.


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lilgish said:

OMG


He seems so.... normal on this pic....

dag said:

I was in AVID MJ fan in my early years and I had many photos of him in concert wearing that same shirt. None of these photos showed Vitiligo and I've never seen any other photos of him during the late 70's/early 80's showing Vitiligo.

illimack said:

Looks like a shoddy Photoshop job to me.

Ah, yes, that's because it is (blown up pic).

Actually im gonna have to go With Voices on that one

Jackson DID NOT HAVE Vitiligo during the 70's
He was diagnosed With vitiligo in late 1984 early 1985 and he went through de-pigmentation during 86

So That picture is not accurate enough...
Sorry Dag

Plus if i know MJ he wouldn't be caught seen like that!



Actually the get together was prior to the allegations

I remember seeing pictures of them in 92 together during the Dating stage of their relationship
Nobody thought anything of it well because MJ was around many Celebs at the time, he was very popular,

I think MJ thought that marrying her would help out his career and help him say butch up lol
But the love was their...

The marriage wasn't just glitz and gold, They'd go to a press conference atogether then go to their seperate homes

During that part of his life Lisa Marie WAS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE with him, She moved into neverland with her children (something her ex Despised, so did her mother)
Lisa Marie was very much in love with Michael, the question is whether he truly loved her back...
During the end stages of their marriage, Michael was already courting with Debbie Rowe who was his nurse that was treating his skin disease at the time.
I believe he cheated on Lisa with Debbie, Primarily cause it hurt him because Lisa did not wan't anymore children, and he wanted some.

Debbie wasn't in love with michael, i think Mike primarily used her for the children, i don't think their was love in that relationship

But i do believe lisa loved Michael alot,
Lisa doesn't like to talk about that stage because it hurt her severly

I don't think michael can love anyone
In that way he's like his father...

dag said:

Look at the way he moves, I would hope he can bang, http://s27.yousendit.com/...0LYX99SGFC He banged Lisa Marie good.

lilgish said:

Jam,!!!!!
love that song

Alright than, I won´t argue on this one.
)
You know what´s funny guys about that Tatum story that Mike told in Bashir interview. He said she called him and told him about what they were gonna do and he CAME! He knew what to expect, but he came. I think he might have wanted it, because why would he otherwise come to humiliate himself. If he didn´t want it, he could have simly made up some excuse and not come in the first place. I think he might simply not have been ready and maybe on the way to her house, realizing what was going to take place he got scared and the fear had enought time to build up. I don´t know. I just don´t understand why he came in the first place, if he didn´t want it.


I agree with you on this one. The fact that LMP said that there was something between them PRIOR to that, makes it looks less suspicious. Plus maybe the fact that she didn´t left him when the allegations surfaced make MJ believe she truly loved him and so it was "safe" to marry her. Maybe I don´t know
But I believe thay LOVED each other. I mean look at them and this is AFTER the divorce



It´s in their eyes and body language. BTW have you ever seen Lisa SMILING this way? You won´t find pictures of her like that with her other men.

And it´s true that Lisa got hurt by Mj getting Debbie pregnant. On Prime time, talking about it, her voice shivered and she was almost about to cry. I´ve never seen her that emotional even when she talked about her dad.

As for Debbie, it´s hard to tell. She´s either great actress for crying on TV and stuff or she really loves him. I don´t know.

I've heard from people who know MJ
That when MJ pays attension to you, its like your the only person in the world and he make syou feel so special
But when he puts his attention to some else, it hurts like a knife in the soul

Really? From what people???

squiddyren said:

You forgot to mention that he turned down the chance to sleep with Madonna


She tried to seduce him in the early 90s,but he just giggled like a little kid

Actually didn´t LIsa say in one interview that Micheal wanted to meet her when she was already 18, but she refused him? She also said that Michael told her if she won´t give him kids that Debbie will. I think she said it for Playboy. She also said that all she knew about her was that she was a nurse who had a crush on him or something like that.

[/quote]Debbie wasn't in love with michael, i think Mike primarily used her for the children, i don't think their was love in that relationship

[quote]

Did actually Madonna say that or was it in some damn tabloid?

dag said:

It's been reported in several Madonna books.A few years ago,People Magazine did a cover story about "Madonna's men" and the story about MJ was featured.

Lisa Marie claimed in Rolling Stone that the courting didn't begin until after the allegations arose. Up until that time, they were simply friends who talked.

But, eh...

I don´t know. Here´s the article.

After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. "That whole shit hit the fan," Presley recalls, "and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing." She frowns wryly. "I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . " She smiles. "He didn't get where he is because he's an idiot. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting." Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. "I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing," she says. "I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together." She pauses. "OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world."

At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. "He called me a lot," she says. "Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life."

I don´t know, it doesn´t say exactly when the courting started. She just said that when the allegations came, he was quick to call her and "explain" it to her, but we don´t know for sure if they were already lovers or still friends.

Here´s the Diane Saweyr thing

Diane Sawyer: By the time Lisa Marie Presley married Michael Jackson, Jackson reportedly had been treated for addiction to painkillers. He was also under siege. He had been investigated for child molestation with a 12-year-old boy. Jackson settled a civil suit with the family reportedly for millions of dollars and his camp implied he was the victim of extortion.

Lisa Marie Presley: I was already friends with him, there was already some romantic stuff going on a little bit before that happened. So it was like, I was already like, you know, I was the only one he would be calling so I felt all privileged and, you know, that he was trusting me and telling me what happened and it was very convincing and I believed him, at the time.

I remember once reading on net (don´t know if it´s true or not), that Michael once found her birth-control pills and freaked out. I think she said somewhere that at one point he didn´t talk to her for few weeks - maybe becuase of that. But this is just plain speculation.

squiddyren said:

Lisa Marie was using that to promote her C.D. and Tour at the time...
Not many people believed what she was saying lol

I for one lol



During those days, I wouldn't wan't to sleep with madonna either

not to be coy, but its the truth lol
she had quite the reputation, And Jackson being a germ freak and an STD freak lol



When i use to live in California use to know some people who worked at neverland and some actors who knew him personally
thats when i was going to chapman Univ,

Luv4oneanotha said:

So how would you justify him acting like a little kid and giggling???? He could have easily told her to fuck off or that he wasn't interested or maybe even admitted that he is gay, but giggling?
Sorry that's too bizarre.

jayaredee said:

How could you justify its even true?
Jackson has never spoken about it,
You either heard it from Madonna or A tabloid
And how much do those source have for them?

If you where shot down by a man that you wished to sleepw ith,
Would you lie? and make up something to demean him and to uplift your own ego.

Or would you actually tell the truth, and humiliat yourself

You obviously believe everything said about Jackson is true,

I don't...

I take everything said about him with the utmost Skepticism,

At those time, people thought that was still little michael, from the J5
everyone assumed he was a virgin,

Take a hard look at that story, does it seem believable?

C'mon?
Jackson was dreadfully blunt when it comes to these things,
If he said no, he said it Defiantly not smile like a child.

I think the hook up was just something his Manager cooked up for publicity,

Jackson Met Madonna in the 80's and Madonna i assume has always lusted for him

Being turned down from a person, you lusted for hurts

dag said:

oh give me a break

shit, lucky you!!! What else did you find out?????


sorry, if you haven´t noticed yet, ppl have different taste. You can laugh at mine, if you want, i don´t give a damn.

Yeah, either lying or started to believe what other told her. Lok at her interviews.

Diane Sawyer: But she says her mother looked at the timing of the marriage and tried to make her see something else.
Lisa Marie Presley: That's what my mum was trying to point out like "Hello, are you awake? Can you see this might be co-ordinating or coinciding with something else?" And I didn't see that, like, I was young. I don't know. I mean, it looked a little suspicious but at the same time I know that he loved me, you know, as much as he can love someone, I think he did.

"I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it," she says. "I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's."


PLAYBOY: It sounds like you think he used you.

PRESLEY: I'm not going to say he did or he didn't. There are things that don't look good, that's all I can say. And most people saw it at the time except me.

I sometimes feel sorry for her: Have you seen for example the Diane Sawyer thing - that disgusted face of hers when they were talking about him? No wonder she feels like that:


Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma."

and is trying to excuse that marriage by saying:

"I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it (her interview with MJ and Diane)," she says. "I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Ummmm
we're talking about madonna here, not the average jane doe.

I think she slept with every man under the cherry moon, and you think that she is going to be upset over being giggled at by MJ.

please.....

and yes i heard it from madonna, and i do believe her especially after seeing all his childish antics on tha infamous documetry. i don't need more proof than that to believe what madonna said.

I forgot to add to that Lisa thing that when she speaks for what SHE FELT (highlighted text), she never says she was used, or anything.


Yeah, if it´s true and she REALLY WANTED HIM, of course she must have gotten upset.


post the interview.

jayaredee said:

Your delusional about Madonna, like How MJ fans are delusional about MJ

C'mon anyone who believes MJ is childish, is well a moron
The man is a charlatan. Its an Image
Not the Man,

That documentery was distorted and everyone should know that,

Any documentery made about him will be distorted

You don't know the man until you walk a mile in his loafers

Shame on you for being so, simpleminded - i expect better from you

Luv4oneanotha said:

STFU you dont even know me, and you expected better from me
I along with millions of other americans think MJ is a fucked up individual.
So are you saying we're the fucked up ones and the fools who hang outside of the courtrooms are the ones who are down to earth?

You should realize that those people might be "fanatical" BUT they do actually KNOW something about the man.


There were times when all the people thought the earth was flat.

What do you know?
YOu've never met him behind closed doors.

All we know about MJ is what we've seen through the media, and my dear, show me something that proves his sanity will you?



They had no proof the world was round

All i have to do is turn on CNN and see MJ walking into a courtroom and me with millions shake our heads

jayaredee said:

its what you called a backhanded compliment
What you wittness on CNN is a Distorted version of the Man
its The Myth, Not The Man

Its Like a Messiah Trapped By his own Destiny,
Trapped by his Own Legacy

no need to get angry man, where all friends here
Relax, this is just conversation