VoicesCarry said:

Is that an expression of disagreement?

squiddyren said:

Well, then I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. IMO, since Thriller, MJ has been running around like a headless chicken trying to one-up himself. He tried to re-make Thriller (Bad), he tried to modernize his sound (Dangerous), he tried alternately yelling at his audience and asking them to pity him (HIStory), and then he just tried throwing doo-doo, whoops I mean feces at them (Invincible). Sadly, nothing worked and now look where his career is.

Anyway, Great pate', but I gotta motor if I wanna be on time for that party...

Axchi696 said:

A'ight. Agree to disagree. Gotta say I actually agree with you on Dangerous, HIStory, and Invincible, though.

Ok cool but as i said Quincy was played out, who should of Mike gone too? Rod wasn't doing much either songwriting wise....."since quincy left, since Mike fired Quincy".....kill all that.

I don't know why there are so many peaple who think that Bad is another Trhiller...

There are more similarities between Off the wall and Thriller ....
In Bad,MJ tries to be a bad guy... this is another concept.... He doesn't look the same, he wants to be a macho man that he is not...

The reviews on Bad was hard because the expectations were very high after the success of Thriller...
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VoicesCarry said:

Are you sure ??

Off the wall wich was a huge success (the best selling album of 1979) was released between the Destiny album (1978) and the Triumph album (1980) album...
Thriller was released 2 years after the Triumph album and Victoy was released less than 2 years after Thriller...

Destiny > 1978
Off the Wall > 1979
Triumph > 1980
Trimph Live > 1981
Thriller > 1982
Victory > 1984

Only then, every MJ's albums were released every 4 years, even more.... Maybe to make more surgeries...

krayzie said:

Other than MJ's solo albums, how many of those albums spawned a huge hit single? How many of those albums were promoted ad nauseum a'la every MJ album since Thriller? How many of those albums (other than the MJ's) had 7+ singles pulled from it?

The general public didn't buy Jacksons albums in the same manner that they bought MJ records. Besides, Mike is on Victory for all of 4 or 5 songs.

krayzie said:

Are you sure? 'The Wall' came out in 1979. The last I'd checked, it's sold almost as much in America than OTW sold worldwide. Besides, Off The Wall wasn't even a #1 album on what became the Billboard 200.

Axchi696 said:

I think that people who bought MJ's albums weren't the same public who bought the Jacksons albums...
Have you ever noticed that Michael as a solo artist has always had more success ???

Michael Jackson as a solo artist has always sold more albums even with the same promotion....

Axchi696 said:

Yeah, you"re right, of course The wall sold more albums but this album was released in December 1979... And was number 1 during the year 1980....

Off the wall was released in August 1979...
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VoicesCarry said:

I do kinda like Bad, but it's obviously Thriller: Part 2

I don't consider myself an MJ fan, but there are a pretty fair chunk of his songs I do like. Of course, there's a lot of crap to wade through in his catalogue to find the gold.

I think the only albums of him that sound alike were Off The Wall and Thriller.

Bad's similarity with Thriller was that they were promoted the same way. A ballad duet as the first single with no video (Just Cant Stop Loving You, Girl Is Mine) followed by dance tracks with flashy videos

Other than that all his albums sounds different.

As for going downhill after Q, bullshit. My favorite mj albums were released in 90s. They are growers. They are not as catchy as his 80s material. It takes some time to appriciate them.

[/quote]Fuuny enough, I used to have that opinion of David Bowie. I loved the guy - a total superstar, but couldn't get into any of his songs (could just about stand Changes, Rebel Rebel and a few others but never really wanted to listen to them). Then when Earthling was released I loved the album, but still couldn't get into anything older.

Now I'm nearly 30 I suddenly find myself appreciating him more! I love Hunky Dory and lots of the other earlier stuff.

I suppose the one band I still can't understand the attraction of at all is Manic Sreet Preachers. Oh, and Morrisey. There's probably some more too...

Anyway back to the topic - no I don't know of anyone who wouldn't like at least one or two MJ songs.
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Thank you. YOu guys are the only one, who actually answered my question.

I also used to feel this way about Prince. I just couldn´t get into his music. The first track that got to me was DIamond´s and pearls. The earlier stuff was just hard for me to get into. But nowadays I love him of course. It took me years to get into him, but I am glad I finally did.

LightOfArt said:[quote]I think the only albums of him that sound alike were Off The Wall and Thriller.

Bad's similarity with Thriller was that they were promoted the same way. A ballad duet as the first single with no video (Just Cant Stop Loving You, Girl Is Mine) followed by dance tracks with flashy videos

Other than that all his albums sounds different.
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I agree with you....

Axchi696 said:

The older I get the more I like his music.

VoicesCarry said:

I agree with that bit.

The first time I remember MJ was when I was about 4 years old and saw the "Bad" video. I think I came in at the worst possible time of his career because I've never really been impressed by anything's he's done, with the exception of "Remember the Time" - and that was more for the dancing in the video than the song itself. And "Scream" was all right. But I absolutely hated "Leave Me Alone," the "Free Willy" song (UGH!) and "Black & White." I own "Thriller," but I can only listen to "P.Y.T." and "Billie Jean" with any regularity. I really think his best material came before "Thriller," to be honest. "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" is the shit. Other than that, I fail to see what the hype was all about. Kind of like now with Justin Timberlake and Usher, I suppose.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR Y´ALL!

Do you think that if MJ´s image was not as controversial, and people could just listen to his music without knowing who it is, that the reactions would be different?

I am asking this cause for example my granddad who´s not in favour of MJ the man, keeps telling me that MJ´s music SUCKS, yet he hardly ever heard any of it, but once I got to play Earth song for him (he can´t recognise Mj by voice - tells you how much he must know about his music) and I didn´t tell him who it was on purpose. I wanted to hear his opinion without being influenced by knowing who it is. When it finished, he said: "IT WAS BEAUTIFUL! Who was it?" When he found out it was MJ, BEAUTIFUL all of sudden became OK!
I sure do know a lot of people like that.

dag said:

Of course image has plenty to do with the success of music, since the day elvis took the stage.
But if you listen to his latest music you see the lack of care in it as there used to be.
MJ seems to channel his love on other things besdies music. Whether its youth, children and Neverland, it doesn't seem to be the same for his music.
The sad thing is that a lot of his recent songs are focused on these things, and people don't want to hear songs about the lost children, healing the world through children. and how he's the best and nobody can touch him.

They want to hear about groupies, girls, sex, which are what MJ used to focus his music on. That's the MJ everyone loved and we don't seem to see that anymore.

I love 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller',but I think that Michael has become lazy in recent years.He doesn't even bother writing most of his own lyrics anymore,he just hires the hottest R&B producers to do it for him.He's afraid to take chances and experiment.

I don´t think it´s lazyness.I think that he´s probably just tired of showbusiness. Well after 40 years of showbusiness, it´s no wonder. But I still do believe that he hasn´t stopped making music. When he says that music is his life, I believe him. He´ s just probably only keeping it in vaults. Have you seen his mexican deposition, where they asked him about tons of songs that were never released? I think he´s still like that, writing - but just not releasing it. Maybe he feels that now having kids, he doesn´t have time to bring them to a perfection that he´s obsessed with.


I think that this is true and the way I see it is that it were his own kids that made him focus on other things in life, which I think ís a good thing for him.

Of course I miss him and his music and would love to hear more from him, but at the same time I realize how much he´s already done in his life and that he deserves to have a break and do whatever he feels like doing with his life. Actually when you think about it, this is the first time in his life that he´s taking some time off. We shouldn´t call him lazy. I think he´s done more in his life so far than most of us will ever do in our entire life-time.

bsbd2luvr said:

You can't compare a legend with his copycats, yes even if you don't like him

What Michael needs to do is to get into studio alone. He creates magic when he's writing alone

dag said:

I think that it has become almost impossible to separate the man from the music now. I can hardly bring myself to listen to his CDs at the moment.

Well let's look at it this way. What MJ has accomplished with 1 or 2 albums alone, is more than what others accomplish in their entire career.
Whether MJ has another hit album or not is irrelevant to the fact he alone has changed the face of pop music and music video for eternity.

In recent years he has really tuned me out i admit, but i can never deny his lasting legacy and neither can anyone else whether you like his music or not.

adoreme said:

I feel the same way. I find it weird to see BET doing a MJ video marathon right now with all that's happening but that's another story.

I love Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad and I like Dangerous a lot but from History on to Invicible, it's been all downhill. He needs to have 1 producer for his next album and then I do believe that he could make a huge comeback, but he has to stop chasing trends.

I don´t know, but what has his music to do with the allegations? We should learn to separate the two. I know it´s hard, but who cares what was Mozart like or any other of those geniuses like? If we can do it with others, why not with MJ?

dag said:

Because Michael Jackson is no Mozart.