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Printablelilgish said: Rock music is Dead! whether Hip-hop lives or dies, this will still be the case.
Yeah RIGHT..rock will always be around loong after hip hop is gone...you can see a big change starting to happen already Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Mazerati said: you can see a big change starting to happen already I haven't seen it...and please don't mention Green Day. | |
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lilgish said: Mazerati said: you can see a big change starting to happen already I haven't seen it...and please don't mention Green Day.Well, if pop-rap like Nelly is considered rap, then pop-punk like Green Day can be considered rock. There are hooks in their songs, but there is also the traditional three chord song. As much as I dislike The Killers, Franz Ferdinand, et. al, they are undeniably "rock" groups that are making a splash on the charts. Modest Mouse had a pretty sizable hit this summer. Interpol's album went in the top 10, Bright Eyes (emo,  ) had two top-20 albums.
Rock as a form of music will never die, it will just continue to evolve into newer forms. After years of scrunge stagnation, it's again emerging with this faux-New Wave vibe to it. I'm not exactly thrilled with this flagrant ripping off of my favorite artists, but it is something "new" to the mainstream of 2005. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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The band in your avatar is the last major rock band left. The flagship of a dying form. They still put on stadium shows, remember those. Yea I know, there are a lot of bands out there. For the last ten years I’ve been kidding myself like some other people, believing that rock would be a dominant force in our culture again like it was in the 60’s, 70’s’ 80’s and early 90’s.
I’ll never forget it….the day my friend brought home Load by Metallica. It was like somebody cut off our balls. We were standing there like WTF. Every year since 95/96 rock fans have been in denial accepting the rock/electronic thing and then worse some of you guys were on board for the rap/rock thing. Eminem has taking such a large part of the young would be rock fan base it’s not even funny, he’s even played on rock stations, at least the beasties kinda rocked…and the beasties are more punk than green day could ever be.. I went to the ill fated guns show in 02 and was totally digging the Chinese Democracy Bootleg from live in Rio, they played it at the show and no one knew wtf it was….it’s become a nostalgia fest…come on…the only die hards who even trade hard are the U2 and Radiohead fans. You got folks on here who think Manson is real metal!!! Hip-Hop is the new rock, it has all the energy, all the buzz, all the sex, rock guys look like fucking suits now or poser punks. Let’s not be like the Jazz folk and still believe that our genre has all this new and vibrant energy. That’s why most of us still listen to the old shit. No art form has devolved more than the rock guitar. Nobody rocks hard anymore, Where’s the beef? [Edited 2/22/05 20:20pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: Supernova said: I love it when people save me the time and energy of a post. Nice analysis there. Hip Hop and Rock have very similar histories and are reacted to in many similar ways by "parental types", sans going into the reality of the pioneers of rock and roll. ----- I don't like the Hip-Hop of today but it is not going away. It will lose the mass appeal and perhaps go back to its roots. Hip-Hop did not start to go bad until the masses picked up on it.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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lilgish said: Rock music is Dead! whether Hip-hop lives or dies, this will still be the case. I think you may be right. I was a little bit into rock back in the day, but I was mainly a hardcore funk lover. When hip hop took over R&B, I started getting more into the current pop/rock at the time. Then rock started having it's accoustical trend and started sounding like folk. Then hip hop started invading rock also. Finally, I said fuck all current music. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Mazerati said: lilgish said: Rock music is Dead! whether Hip-hop lives or dies, this will still be the case.
Yeah RIGHT..rock will always be around loong after hip hop is gone...you can see a big change starting to happen already You sound like one of those parents from the '50s talking about how their favorite music would endure forever while rock music was just a passing fad. Almost 30 years after its birth, rest assured Hip Hop is going nowhere. Why people even continue to proclaim its death for almost 3 generations is silly. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Alright, you're going down a different road than I thought initially. True, rock music is no longer the force it once was. I'm not sure that it ever will be again, but it's not going to crawl off somewhere and die the way skiffle or garage music did.
Rock is still music for disenfranchised youth. Punk still has a stronghold on the angry young man/woman; although rap did steal a large chunk of the market. Nowadays, I think rap has become more the "pop" of the moment than the rock, though. As far as rap stars being the rock stars of today, well, I still don't think 50 Cent or Eminem or Jay-Z could sell out stadiums the way large rock bands of yore did in their hayday. I still think U2 and Springsteen could (and do) headline large venues that most other artists could never even dream of selling out. I think the music scene has become so splintered that no one type of music will ever exert the same force over culture that rock once did. There's a reason that Thriller, Dark Side of the Moon, and Born in the USA sold as many copies as they did; EVERYONE liked them. They had the saturation that Beyonce and Usher enjoy today, but they also had the sales to back it up. Anyway, I've lost my original point somewhere along the way, but I still say that rock will never die, it will just continue to evolve. Hell, there's still some market out there for it. U2 still had one of the highest opening weeks of the year, and Green Day does have the #2 album in America, as well as a Top 5 hit. Someone's buying/listening to it. lilgish said: The band in your avatar is the last major rock band left. The flagship of a dying form. They still put on stadium shows, remember those. Yea I know, there are a lot of bands out there. For the last ten years I’ve been kidding myself like some other people, believing that rock would be a dominant force in our culture again like it was in the 60’s, 70’s’ 80’s and early 90’s.
I’ll never forget it….the day my friend brought home Load by Metallica. It was like somebody cut off our balls. We were standing there like WTF. Every year since 95/96 rock fans have been in denial accepting the rock/electronic thing and then worse some of you guys were on board for the rap/rock thing. Eminem has taking such a large part of the young would be rock fan base it’s not even funny, he’s even played on rock stations, at least the beasties kinda rocked…and the beasties are more punk than green day could ever be.. I went to the ill fated guns show in 02 and was totally digging the Chinese Democracy Bootleg from live in Rio, they played it at the show and no one knew wtf it was….it’s become a nostalgia fest…come on…the only die hards who even trade hard are the U2 and Radiohead fans. You got folks on here who think Manson is real metal!!! Hip-Hop is the new rock, it has all the energy, all the buzz, all the sex, rock guys look like fucking suits now or poser punks. Let’s not be like the Jazz folk and still believe that our genre has all this new and vibrant energy. That’s why most of us still listen to the old shit. No art form has devolved more than the rock guitar. Nobody rocks hard anymore, Where’s the beef? [Edited 2/22/05 20:20pm] I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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I'm sorry to say but... it is about gone... no body would spit lyrics like wu tang... Paul G II
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Even tho I am a hip-hop "head," I don't think hip-hop approaches the greatness of jazz. But I think there is a parallel here.
For several years, swing jazz ruled the charts. Countless artists crossed over and made hits. But underneath that movement, the seeds of a major jazz revolution were being sown by Bird, Diz, et al. What this produced was be-bop, which went on to remake jazz for the next 3-4 decades. It didn't sell as well as swing did, but it endured. I think that's what will happen with hip-hop. It will redefine itself, and after some years, it might not sell as well. But it will live on. Those who proclaim hip-hop is dead or dying may only know its public face. But underneath the surface there are enough dedicated artists who will keep it fresh and relevant long after Fabolous and The Game are banished to the bargain bin. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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TheRealFiness said: hip hop died sometime after 1998..
not awake n trynna type simple shit edit [Edited 2/18/05 5:36am] .....more like in 1990! | |
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namepeace said: Tom said: Rap went down the drain IMO after 92. Around that time frame, it got ridiculously self-indulgent, and materialistic. It's been several years since I've actually bought a rap album, because my interest in the genre has waned drastically. Do people even mix anymore, or is it all pro tools these days??
I strongly disagree only on your chronology. 1994 was arguably the single greatest year in hip-hop history. It was a wonderfully diverse year. More on this later. I'll go as far as 94, because I did really enjoy Nas's debut, Ice Cube's Lethal Injection, as well as WuTang, and even stuff like Jazzmatazz and Heavy Rhyme Experience. But around the time The Chronic came out, across the board, the lyrics in alot of rap songs shifted from being politically active and or somewhat anti-drugs, to embracing weed liquor partying. There wasn't as much sampling and mixing, but rather just alot of simple drum machine beats with some annoying whiny keyboard loop. Alot of the mainstream rap albums coming out around that time just sounded less sophisticated, and inspiring to me. By the mid to late 90s, practicall every video I saw was people flying around on Jet Skis, Helicoptors, million dollar cars, and half naked women shaking around. It all just felt superficial, with no real message or motivation. | |
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Tom said: namepeace said: I strongly disagree only on your chronology. 1994 was arguably the single greatest year in hip-hop history. It was a wonderfully diverse year. More on this later. I'll go as far as 94, because I did really enjoy Nas's debut, Ice Cube's Lethal Injection, as well as WuTang, and even stuff like Jazzmatazz and Heavy Rhyme Experience. But around the time The Chronic came out, across the board, the lyrics in alot of rap songs shifted from being politically active and or somewhat anti-drugs, to embracing weed liquor partying. There wasn't as much sampling and mixing, but rather just alot of simple drum machine beats with some annoying whiny keyboard loop. Alot of the mainstream rap albums coming out around that time just sounded less sophisticated, and inspiring to me. By the mid to late 90s, practicall every video I saw was people flying around on Jet Skis, Helicoptors, million dollar cars, and half naked women shaking around. It all just felt superficial, with no real message or motivation. I don't disagree. When Biggie and 'Pac blew up, and then passed on, everybody wanted to pick up that mantle. Problem was, their many, many would-be heirs lacked the lyrical ability and perspective that Big and 'Pac (mostly) showed in their work. Then, in '95, when Raekwon dropped his classic Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, the trend only grew. After that, everyone was an international drug dealer on wax. FYI: This is the ultimate protest record against the bling era that no one heeded.  [Edited 2/23/05 11:16am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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