MendesCity said:

sosgemini said:

I love the "doh"-moticon! At first I thought it was "oy, you're giving me a headache" or "I'm gonna slap you upside the head...like this"

Damn, so much hate!

I like Kanye. I didn't see anything wrong with his acceptance speech; I thought it was cute. I'm really surprised that so many people are all upset about it.

I saw him on Entertainment Tonight saying he was up until 3 am thinking of what to say in that speech. I was like -

1988 was not "yesterday" and when the 1990s rolled around, hip hop more than made up for it by practically completely dominating the show. It's had it's run and it's dominated longer than any other form of black music. It's long past time for it to go out of style and something else take over. With Clear Channel around, that won't be happening any time soon.
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vainandy said:

I would have been pleased if that had happened 10 years ago, For all of Kanye's talent, he'd have been middle-of-the-pack, both commercially and artistically, then. Same with OutKast. They are 2 of the commercially viable artists out there b/c they were given the opportunity to succeed.

And I dunno about Grammy's recognition of black artists. There was a time when Stevie was winning every one handed out.

I boycotted the Grammys after P's snub for SOTT. Seclecting "Wind Beneath MY Wings" over "Nothing Compares 2 U" was also wrong. Other than that, the Grammys, haven't been too bad, other than at times, recognizing somewhat undeserving hip-hop artists.

I actually liked Kanye before that bitch-fest after the AMAs. Hey, you win some; you lose some; that's life, but apparently Kanye feels that he's God's gift to music for some odd ball reason. Sure, he produced his album, but there are soo many producers who are 10 times better and have been around a whole lot longer who aren't as arrogant as he was at the Grammys and AMAs. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, the Neptunes, Babyface, and Stevie Wonder, just to name a few. They've had tons of hits, yet every interview I've ever seen them in, they've remained humble. I disliked Kanye after the AMAs. I detest him after the Grammys, because of that snotty acceptance speech and that over-dramatic stage fiasco that he did. The over-acting upset me; the ending the performance raised above the congregation, wearing angel's wings and acting like the second Messiah just totally pissed me off. As mean as this may sound; I hold my tongue for nobody; I pray that his next album crashes and burns because that's probably the only thing that will teach him how to be humble.

estelle1981 said:

I couldn't agree with you more. Kanye really acts like his shit don't stank.

Hotlegs said:

Exactly! I didn't mind Usher soo much until he started being an arrogant, little snot bag this year. I like alot of his songs (previous albums and current one), but I can't buy them. I'll stand in the record store holding 'Confessions' and telling myself not to buy it for the simple fact that I don't want that conceited jerk to get anymore money or Soundscan praise. I've done the same with everyone from Whitney (I refuse to endorse her drug habit) to even Prince (as much as I want the cover jacket to "Musicology", I can't bring myself to buy it at the store for just that reason--he could have given the concert goers the total package instead of the album in that little sleeve with the tracks names on the back; we did technically buy the album from the many reports that I've read). So, Kanye is just yet another artist to get a big head; and, instead of the public deflating it, they continue to praise him, which doesn't teach these celebrities anything. I see the majority of them as just normal people who got lucky, with a small few who have talent and deserve to be where they are; unfortunately, only a handful of those artists were at this year's Grammys and many of them weren't even nominated for anything. Not to mention, that Kanye has a lyric in "Jesus Walks" that says something to the effect of, 'the radio stations not playing this song, because it's not cool to talk about Jesus.' What?!?! I've heard more than one hip-hop song that talks about God and/or spirituality, so I'm trying to figure out why Kanye seems to think that "Jesus Walks" is the only hip-hop song in history to contain a spiritual message. I distinctly remember Bone-Thugs & Harmony doing "Crossroads" at more than one awards show a couple years ago and last time I checked, that song and the video were just as spiritually based as "Jesus Walks", not to mention DMX has done many songs that emphasis his faith and so has Tupac. Someone tell me why Kanye deserves more praise for that song (which I personally can't stand) than these much better hip-hop artists do for songs that were just as good if not better, because I just don't see it.

FunkMistress said:

yanno!!


sometimes ppl read too much into stuff.....

BlaqueKnight said:

im the one that brought up halle berry...and im black..so does that mean im a racist? or are you reading into things via your own bias?

the reason i bring up halle is because she was the first acceptance speech (of prominance) that went overboard.....since her, many o people have done it....not just west.....it seems the norm now and its annoying...

nothing racial about that statement..

Rhondab said:

[b]I think a lot of people are tripping because the press made a big deal out of Kanye's comments beforehand at the other awards show when he was mad because he lost. He did another interview on 106th and Park where he was pretty full of himself. He believes his own hype.
Kanye is talented, but he perceives himself to be more than what he is. Maybe he has too many yes men around him? He's pretty pompous, but most artists' egos are overblown after they attain a certain degree of success.

sosgemini said:

Speeches going over are a problem at EVERY award show. All of them. Before Halle, there was Jerry Seinfeld, before Jerry there were many others. Maybe your point of reference comes from when you noticed it? I could go back and point out an artist's speech at almost every awards show since I've been watching them that probably went over. People used to pick on Stevie Wonder for talking too long, too. Like he can see the clock on the monitor...

BlaqueKnight said:

and im willing to concede that...so does these mean your willing to retract the "racial" comment?

BlaqueKnight said:

I completely agree with this. I don't hate the guy, but he really seems to have bought into all the hype about himself. That's rarely attractive, especially when that individual's talent is not even on a level worthy of ther hype they're getting.

BlaqueKnight said:

Let's hope so, for his sake.

sosgemini said:

Sure...concerning your post. My point of reference came from several posts, not just specifically yours. There IS a certain contempt on this site that is held for hip-hop, R&B and anything predominantly black-oriented and there are individuals that take jabs at those things frequently. I will NOT concede this statement because its true. Just because racism isn't overt doesn't make it any less of what it is. Taking it back to the movie "Do The Right Thing" - the son of Sal, the pizza parlor owner who liked Prince & Michael Jordan but had major contempt for black people overall. There are those individuals who exemplify that behavior right here on the .org. The truth is ugly sometimes, but I'm not one to pretend I don't see it. Its one thing to hate on Kanye (an understandable thing; I don't like his ass either), but its another to use Kanye to vent discontentment and make broad generalizations about entire genres and sub-cultures. Very not cool.

dreamfactory313 said:

Oh bullshit. That's why Eminem portrays his past as if it began and ended with the guys from D-12? You don't see him helping out anybody from Bassmint Productions, Soul Intent or Flim Flam. He acts like he grew up with those guys. He did not, and all the extremely talented (but white) people he started out with are still starving.